Goodbye ****oo's Nest

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What provisions are being made for the patients between the time the old hospital is torn down and a new one is built? Do they have somewhere else where they can go and receive treatment?
 
HCE said:
Good riddance Nurse Ratched
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I saw the movie several times, and I honestly do not think Nurse Ratched was evil - though the results of her actions certainly were. Watching the movie, I get the impression she was trying to do her best in accordance with her own understanding of psych patients and their needs. Of course, the said understanding was rather disturbed, and she should not have been allowed anywhere near a psych ward, but that is not the point. Or, maybe it is?

In other words, I do not see Nurse Ratched as the executioner and Randle as the victim. Rather, I see them both as victims of the broken system.

And, yes, I agree that it's sad that the hospital is being demolished.
 
BabyPsychDoc said:
I saw the movie several times, and I honestly do not think Nurse Ratched was evil - though the results of her actions certainly were. Watching the movie, I get the impression she was trying to do her best in accordance with her own understanding of psych patients and their needs. Of course, the said understanding was rather disturbed, and she should not have been allowed anywhere near a psych ward, but that is not the point. Or, maybe it is?

In other words, I do not see Nurse Ratched as the executioner and Randle as the victim. Rather, I see them both as victims of the broken system.

And, yes, I agree that it's sad that the hospital is being demolished.
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I don't know...I just can't get nostalgic and the warm fuzzies from these old institutions.....unfortunately the description from the article below was more the norm then the exception prior to 1970...

"Although mean Nurse Ratched was pure fiction, the Oregon State Hospital has struggled with some very real troubles over the years, including overcrowding, crumbling floors and ceilings, outbreaks of scabies and stomach flu, sexual abuse of children by staff members, and patient-on-patient assaults.
Politicians had been talking for years about the need to replace the hospital, but didn't get serious about it until a group of legislators made a grim discovery during a 2004 tour: the cremated remains of 3,600 mental patients in corroding copper canisters in a storage room. The lawmakers were stunned.
"Nobody said anything to anybody," said Oregon Senate President Peter Courtney, who dubbed the chamber "the room of lost souls."
The remains belonged to patients who died at the hospital from the late 1880s to the mid-1970s, when mental illness was considered so shameful that many patients were all but abandoned by their families in institutions.
 
State leaders decided in 2006 to build a new, $300 million, 620-bed hospital at the site of the oldest and most dilapidated part of the complex, the J Building, a yellow-painted brick structure with brown trim, a towering cupola, and iron gratings on the windows.
The front section of the building, including the cupola, will be preserved as a museum on the history of mental health care.
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Among the 590 current patients is 44-year-old Mike Wyffels, who has been at the hospital for five years with bipolar disorder. Wyffels said he welcomes the state's plan to give most patients their own rooms in the new hospital. In some cases, he said, as many as seven patients share a room.
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It seems that there is both room to provide patients with a more modernized building and to preserve some of the building for historical purposes.

This is definitely a good thing.

But those who feel too sad are welcome to try sharing a room with 6 other people in a state mental hospital. 😱
 
Shalom77 said:
It seems that there is both room to provide patients with a more modernized building and to preserve some of the building for historical purposes.

This is definitely a good thing.

But those who feel too sad are welcome to try sharing a room with 6 other people in a state mental hospital. 😱
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I couldn't share a room with six people in a luxury condo, let alone a state mental hospital.
 
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Does that dude realize that "****oos Nest" refers to the book and movie? Any old who......although I know the Oregon State Hospital was the ****oos nest in the movie....Kesey's inspiration was a psychiatric facility right here in Menlo Park, CA. Pass by it everyday on my way to school. Maybe I can run over nurse Ratchet sometime...:laugh:
 
You know, I've encountered too many patients that would really benefit from long term (or life long) hospitalization and we have no such place for these poor souls today.


Is that wrong?
 
Sigh, I noted how much many consultant will avoid coming to a psychiatry floor more than they would avoid an active HIV/TB patient.
 
Solideliquid said:
You know, I've encountered too many patients that would really benefit from long term (or life long) hospitalization and we have no such place for these poor souls today.


Is that wrong?
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I think it's very wrong. My current FP attending has a strong interest in psychiatry and we were talking about the fact that after many of the state psychiatric hospitals shut down, the number of homeless in Mi increased quite a bit. The powers that be said that there would be outpatient resources made available to many of the former residents of the inpatient hospital, but that didn't seem to be enough.🙁
 
futuredo32 said:
I think it's very wrong. My current FP attending has a strong interest in psychiatry and we were talking about the fact that after many of the state psychiatric hospitals shut down, the number of homeless in Mi increased quite a bit. The powers that be said that there would be outpatient resources made available to many of the former residents of the inpatient hospital, but that didn't seem to be enough.🙁
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Agree with both of you. In a perfect world there would be enough compassionate adult foster care for all those who need it. But so many of our frequent flyers really cannot function in the "real world"...a well-run sanitarium would be a blessing.
 
OldPsychDoc said:
Agree with both of you. In a perfect world there would be enough compassionate adult foster care for all those who need it. But so many of our frequent flyers really cannot function in the "real world"...a well-run sanitarium would be a blessing.
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Why is it that we've made progress (with still further progress needed) with other populations that can't care for themselves with respect to long term care and housing, but that same progress doesn't seem to be there for those with psychiatric illnesses? Orphanages in the US have been replaced by foster care and adoption. Nursing homes are somewhat improved from what they once were with the Eden concept and even some nursing homes becoming more home-like and less instutional. Why is it acceptable to close down mental institutions and throw the mentally ill out on the street when they can't adequately fend for themselves? Obviously the conditions of living 5 to a room, sexual abuse, assault, etc weren't good for the patients, but neither is just tossing them outside when some of them don't have the ability to provide for themselves.
 
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Solideliquid said:
You know, I've encountered too many patients that would really benefit from long term (or life long) hospitalization and we have no such place for these poor souls today.


Is that wrong?
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No, it's not wrong.
 
futuredo32 said:
Why is it that we've made progress (with still further progress needed) with other populations that can't care for themselves with respect to long term care and housing, but that same progress doesn't seem to be there for those with psychiatric illnesses? Orphanages in the US have been replaced by foster care and adoption. Nursing homes are somewhat improved from what they once were with the Eden concept and even some nursing homes becoming more home-like and less instutional. Why is it acceptable to close down mental institutions and throw the mentally ill out on the street when they can't adequately fend for themselves? Obviously the conditions of living 5 to a room, sexual abuse, assault, etc weren't good for the patients, but neither is just tossing them outside when some of them don't have the ability to provide for themselves.
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It's nobody else's responsibility to house, feed, or care for psychiatric patients and I sure as hell don't want my tax dollars squandered on that nonsense. So they'll be tossed out on the street- are they really that much better off in one of those depraved mental health sh*tholes you call hospitals? I'd rather see them die on the streets than locked in asylums for the rest of their lives.
 
skee lo said:
So they'll be tossed out on the street- are they really that much better off in one of those depraved mental health sh*tholes you call hospitals? I'd rather see them die on the streets than locked in asylums for the rest of their lives.
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I was actually thinking of a quality sanitarium like OldPsychDoc mentioned and not one of those depraved mental health places. Nursing homes have become better over time, there's no reason we shouldn't have the same quality of long-term care for the mentally ill.
 
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