NYU -2 unfilled spots?? OOOOOPS

[AngelinaJolie]

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NYU---what happenend to you?

 

[HCE]

NYU---what happenend to you?

Yale, NYU and Harvard Longwood...all in the same boat....

 

[Chimed]

MUSC also didn't fill two spots. I think they didn't fill last year as well. That program used to be highly regarded. Wonder what's going on.

 

[iqureshi7]

Where are you guys getting this info? Can anyone post the unfilled for psych or a link to the unfilled?

Thanks

Never mind, found it here: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=506335

 

[Roz]

What does it really mean that all of these programs didn't fill? Does it reflect poorly on the program? Or does it mean that maybe they just didn't rank/interview enough candidates?

And does it make it easier for us rising 4th years to match at these programs next year? 🙂

 

[atsai3]

What does it really mean that all of these programs didn't fill? Does it reflect poorly on the program? Or does it mean that maybe they just didn't rank/interview enough candidates?

And does it make it easier for us rising 4th years to match at these programs next year? 🙂

Generally it reflects poorly on the program, although there is enough heterogeneity that you would have to take it on a case by case basis.

Residency programs know the approximate number of candidates they have to interview in order to fill. At one east coast program, the program director knows they generally have to go to #40-50 on their rank list to fill a class that numbers about 6-10 interns. Likewise, program directors can plan appropriately if they think that they are going to have trouble filling. For example, one of my friends is in a west coast program, and they generally interview in the neighborhood of 80 candidates. They anticipated having some problems attracting the same quality of candidates this year, so they decided to interview an additional 10 or so candidates.

So if a program doesn't fill, then the market for that program may be particularly weak, reflecting its perceived quality, or maybe the program director was simply not strategic enough (perhaps reflective of poor organizational skills).

Another possibility is that the pool of applicants (to a particular program) is shallow enough that a program could reasonably choose to risk not filling (and take its chances with applicants in the scramble) rather than risk ranking a set of poor quality candidates.

In terms of whether it makes it easy or hard to match the following year, there may be some serial correlation in competitiveness. But at some programs, that may not be the case. For example, one high quality midwestern pediatrics program did not fill several years ago, and many attributed it to poor support of its interns, some particularly problematic aspects of its program structure, and low morale overall. When they found they didn't fill, this was such a shock and embarrassment to them that the program director made some huge changes in a hurry -- and the following year they did fine in the Match.

-AT.

 

[whopper]

True....


E.g. it could've been that these programs just suffered from bad luck this particular year. Several applicants that end up matching elsewhere are not even given an interview at these programs.

My own program had over 700 applicants. We interviewed less than 10% of that number.

Another factor is some programs are not willing to match every single person they interview because they're willing to have some standard in their quality vs quantity ratios. My own program chose not to match several candidates we interviewed. Did that increase our risk of not matching all our spots? Yes. I still haven't been told of my own program's match results but I have heard we have filled up completely (still haven't verified it, for all I know I could be posting that we didn't fill a few hours from now)--but it just as well could've not gone that way.

 

[Anasazi23]

I think the simple answer is that it's a reflection of program arrogance. i.e. short rank list with all high-end candidates...assuming they'd get their top picks and refusing to dip down to a large list.

Atsai described the details better.

 

[HCE]

I think the simple answer is that it's a reflection of program arrogance. i.e. short rank list with all high-end candidates...assuming they'd get their top picks and refusing to dip down to a large list.

Atsai described the details better.

Anasazi, I was wondering if this might be the case, but I don't know enough to come out and say it....the thought that someone might rather choose to attend a school other then theirs is such a foreign notion that it escapes them entirely, so it must be the quality of candidates, or the lack of depth in the applicant pool...something else...anything else

 

[Rpre19]

HEH thats what they get for not giving me an interview 😛

jk-not really

 

[HCE]

HEH thats what they get for not giving me an interview 😛

jk-not really

What, no interview??? Fools!

 

[Rpre19]

What, no interview??? Fools!

no interview, no rejection, no notice, nuthin!!

guess i couldve called them but...eh whateva 😎

 

[DrWuStar]

HEH thats what they get for not giving me an interview 😛

jk-not really

That's the first thing I thought too! They were the only program that didn't offer me an interview. Oh well... F those guys... they got what they deserve I guess. 😉