Got MCAT Score should i even try this cycle

[Bigz]

BS 8, PS 8, V 6😡 22M

cGPA= 3.34
BCPM= 3.60
Volunteer for about a year now at Emergency Department, 4 months at a charity pharmacy 40 hours of shadowing with 3 docs. I am Non traditional URM. Amcas is already complete, Ohio resident

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[mcat45]

It ultimately depends on where you want to go. If you're ok with going to a DO school, then your score *might* be ok (but still iffy). If your verbal score were a bit higher, then I would say you might be have a chance at an md school. Unfortunately, I've read that many medical schools will screen out anything 7 or below, including verbal, and even for non-native english speakers. In my opinion, it might be best for you to wait out this cycle. It's pretty late in the cycle to be submitting an application and you will certainly be at a disadvantage if you submit your application now. Verbal can be tough to improve, but it can be done. Idk what you used to prepare for verbal the 1st time, but if you decide to re-take I would highly recommend TPR Hyperlearning Verbal Workbook and EK 101 Verbal. Best of luck with whatever you decide.

 

[web2linc]

You need at least a 24, but given all your stats, you have about a 48% chance of acceptance at a MD school.

 

[njbmd]

BS 8, PS 8, V 6😡 22M

cGPA= 3.34
BCPM= 3.60
Volunteer for about a year now at Emergency Department, 4 months at a charity pharmacy 40 hours of shadowing with 3 docs. I am Non traditional URM. Amcas is already complete, Ohio resident

You are well below average with that MCAT score and well below average with your uGPA. If you apply to medical school, osteopathic or allopathic, you need to figure out a way to convince an admissions committee that you can actually handle the work. Volunteering isn't going to do this.

You need at least a 24, but given all your stats, you have about a 48% chance of acceptance at a MD school.

In 2010, with rampant grade inflation, I don't think that 48% is even close to accurate. Don't waste your money trying to buy into "URMs only need to be breathing" to get into medical school. As another poster has said above, do some work and get that MCAT score much higher. You can't afford to apply with one low score (or even another mediocre score) + that below average uGPA.

If you want to pay for the "experience" of filling out the AMCAS and going through the application process, then apply but prepare yourself for reapplication and a retake on the MCAT after some solid prep and performance analysis. You may find that you need some post bacc work to bring up that uGPA too.

 

[Dartmouth2005]

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[jweezy225]

http://www.aamc.org/data/facts/applicantmatriculant/table25-black-mcatgpagrid.pdf

well, according to the aggregated data from AMCAS for 2007-2009 (the above link), with your 3.34 GPA and a 22M you would have a 38.8% chance of being accepted. Look at the difference, though, in odds if you can increase your MCAT score to a 24-26...you jump up to a 69.4% chance! I wouldn't die by these percentages, but they still give you a general idea of where you stand, you know?

Anyway, that AMCAS data assumes that you're African American like myself. Take it from me, though, my first time applying to medical school I made a 23M and I interviewed at two schools and was accepted to none.

If you have money to spend, you can take your chances...if not, however, I would suggest retaking the MCAT and, like mcat45 said, use examkrackers!! Also, I think a post-baccalaureate program would look great and definitely benefit you as well!

Good luck!

 

[web2linc]

I'd shoot for at least a 27, then you will be in the 88% range. Just retake them in January. You can improve on the BS and the PS section easy with studying and taking practice exams. Examkrackers is the way to go. Their verbal strategy is on point, it just takes a while to improve. But If you focus, you can pull 10s in both the PS and the BS and you will have at least a 26 given your verbal.

 

[njbmd]

Regardless of MCAT, that 3.5 is going to be problematic. What happened in the past is not true for the future. Medical school admissions are quite subjective in many ways, therefore, you can't make blanket "percent chances" of getting in from one year to the next. You can look at the data for those entering in 2009 and make speculations about 2009 but that year is gone. Every year, average uGPAs for matriculants have gone up (rampant grade inflation in most colleges and universities) which does not portend well for any applicant URM or not. Most likely, the OP is going to need some serious post bacc work and no more below average MCAT scores.

 

[web2linc]

Regardless of MCAT, that 3.5 is going to be problematic. What happened in the past is not true for the future.

Trends are fairly stable overtime (unless there are significant policy changes), and MCAT scores can correct for grade inflation (because they are standardized scores).

 

[SPQR]

Doesn't hurt to try (except your wallet), but there is room for improvement in your MCAT score. It was explained to me many many years ago that verbal reasoning was the most important part of MCAT b/c it assess an applicant's ability to absorb new knowledge. (i still think that is FOS)

Anyhow, try to shoot for double digits across the board. Best of luck to you.

 

[princekc]

BS 8, PS 8, V 6😡 22M

cGPA= 3.34
BCPM= 3.60
Volunteer for about a year now at Emergency Department, 4 months at a charity pharmacy 40 hours of shadowing with 3 docs. I am Non traditional URM. Amcas is already complete, Ohio resident

Listen to me bro...you should apply. Do not be discourage. If I were you, I will apply broadly (MD/DO) and consider re-taking the MCAT.

 

[deleted74029]

Regardless of MCAT, that 3.5 is going to be problematic. What happened in the past is not true for the future. Medical school admissions are quite subjective in many ways, therefore, you can't make blanket "percent chances" of getting in from one year to the next. You can look at the data for those entering in 2009 and make speculations about 2009 but that year is gone. Every year, average uGPAs for matriculants have gone up (rampant grade inflation in most colleges and universities) which does not portend well for any applicant URM or not. Most likely, the OP is going to need some serious post bacc work and no more below average MCAT scores.

Some of this makes zero sense. A 3.5 and a 30 on the MCAT will still bode well for many applicants, regardless of race. Trends don't change that much from year to year. If they did increase as fast as you imply, the average acceptance would be asymptotically at 4.0 right now.

 

[Avoidthetiger]

Since your AMCAS is already submitted (and I assumed verified), I would apply to Wright State and Toledo. You might have a chance there. I would look at the MSAR and see what the lowest scores some schools have accepted -- but reevaluate your application and decide how competitive you are before applying to many schools or broadly. If you don't think you are too competitive, apply to a few and plan on restudying for the MCAT and applying again next year.

 

[DancingThruLife]

Since your AMCAS is already submitted (and I assumed verified), I would apply to Wright State and Toledo. You might have a chance there. I would look at the MSAR and see what the lowest scores some schools have accepted -- but reevaluate your application and decide how competitive you are before applying to many schools or broadly. If you don't think you are too competitive, apply to a few and plan on restudying for the MCAT and applying again next year.

Agreed. I don't think the GPA is bad, unless you're aiming for top 10 and even then, if everything else in your app is strong, you should be fine.

The MCAT though is pretty low, sorry to say. If your primary is already submitted, then go ahead and be selective about which schools you apply to (unless you have no money or time restrictions).

If you were to wait another year, then you should study for the MCAT and rock it. Don't take it until you are scoring at least a 10 in each section on the AAMC practice tests. Also, take a few post-bac classes, just to show that you're into continued learning, etc. (1 or 2 classes/semester/quarter should be fine).

Whatever you choose, good luck! It can be done! 🙂

 

[Black Surgeon]

Agreed. I don't think the GPA is bad, unless you're aiming for top 10 and even then, if everything else in your app is strong, you should be fine.

OP, if you fall into the trap of believing the quote above, then you'll be in for a rude awakening. Your race WILL NOT get you into Medical school nor will it keep you there.

I speak from personal experience, as someone who's stats were way above what many have mentioned as "fine" in this thread, and who personally knows others (with stats similar to yours) who have been "reapplying" for years. One of them finally got the message (after 2 years of "reapplying") and recently went back for a postbacc. The others have refused to ameliorate their application, and instead have chosen to rely on their "race" to obtain admission. They are still "reapplying".

 

[web2linc]

OP, if you fall into the trap of believing the quote above, then you'll be in for a rude awakening. Your race WILL NOT get you into Medical school nor will it keep you there.

I speak from personal experience, as someone who's stats were way above what many have mentioned as "fine" in this thread, and who personally knows others (with stats similar to yours) who have been "reapplying" for years. One of them finally got the message (after 2 years of "reapplying") and recently went back for a postbacc. The others have refused to ameliorate their application, and instead have chosen to rely on their "race" to obtain admission. They are still "reapplying".

No one said Race alone. I can already see where this thread is going

:troll:

To the OP, just apply selectively and take the MCAT in January/February. I believe some schools take January MCAT scores during the application cycle in you are wait listed or your if application is on hold.

 

[DancingThruLife]

OP, if you fall into the trap of believing the quote above, then you'll be in for a rude awakening. Your race WILL NOT get you into Medical school nor will it keep you there.

I speak from personal experience, as someone who's stats were way above what many have mentioned as "fine" in this thread, and who personally knows others (with stats similar to yours) who have been "reapplying" for years. One of them finally got the message (after 2 years of "reapplying") and recently went back for a postbacc. The others have refused to ameliorate their application, and instead have chosen to rely on their "race" to obtain admission. They are still "reapplying".

By "fine" I meant that the OP has a shot. I'm sorry to hear about your friends that have been reapplying, but just like you know people who have been reapplying, I know some who got in the 1st round, 3.2gpa, 28MCAT, ivy league med. Would I count on this to get me through this cycle? Nope, not at all.

This whole process is so random, that ultimately some outcomes are going to shock us. You are obviously going to have a MUCH better chance of getting in if you have a higher GPA, but that's not to say you won't get in anywhere with the GPA you have now. That being said, everything else in your app has to be strong:

1. Letters of Rec. have to be KILLER. Get them only from people who will write you a GLOWING letter of rec, not just a good one. i.e. you need to be in the professor's office at least once a week. They need to be able to say "OP is in the top 10% of students of my academic career"... or something like that to make you stand out.
2. Any research? Publications? The publications really make you stand out because not many people have them. Adcoms have told me you need to be in the first 6 authors, preferably in the first four.
3. Your PS needs to be on point. Don't start rambling about health disparities and start rambling about how you want to affect health policy and public health blah blah blah. This tends to be a common mistake for those of us that want to work in underserved communities. Remember to stick to the medicine-- this is not an MPH application.

If you think you've addressed the above in your primary, then maybe you have a shot, buuuut:

4. Again, your MCAT is honestly still a little too low. I still suggest that you study for it, rock it, and apply next cycle. You need at least a 27 for lower-tier/mid-tier schools. You can also take a couple of more classes while you're doing that to show that you haven't "stopped" learning.



Moral of the story: Each school is different. If they like what they see, they'll take you. Make your app as strong as you can. Be diverse (more than just URM) by having a range of experiences under your belt (1. clinical, 2. research, 3. publications/abstracts/presentations/etc, 4. leadership).

Conclusion: If your primary is already verified, then pick a few schools that you have the best shot of getting into. If it has NOT been verified, then I believe you can still withdraw and you won't be considered a re-applicant next year. Which will be the best scenario. You can fix your MCAT then. Whatever you choose to do

 

[Bigz]

By "fine" I meant that the OP has a shot. I'm sorry to hear about your friends that have been reapplying, but just like you know people who have been reapplying, I know some who got in the 1st round, 3.2gpa, 28MCAT, ivy league med. Would I count on this to get me through this cycle? Nope, not at all.

This whole process is so random, that ultimately some outcomes are going to shock us. You are obviously going to have a MUCH better chance of getting in if you have a higher GPA, but that's not to say you won't get in anywhere with the GPA you have now. That being said, everything else in your app has to be strong:

1. Letters of Rec. have to be KILLER. Get them only from people who will write you a GLOWING letter of rec, not just a good one. i.e. you need to be in the professor's office at least once a week. They need to be able to say "OP is in the top 10% of students of my academic career"... or something like that to make you stand out.
2. Any research? Publications? The publications really make you stand out because not many people have them. Adcoms have told me you need to be in the first 6 authors, preferably in the first four.
3. Your PS needs to be on point. Don't start rambling about health disparities and start rambling about how you want to affect health policy and public health blah blah blah. This tends to be a common mistake for those of us that want to work in underserved communities. Remember to stick to the medicine-- this is not an MPH application.

If you think you've addressed the above in your primary, then maybe you have a shot, buuuut:

4. Again, your MCAT is honestly still a little too low. I still suggest that you study for it, rock it, and apply next cycle. You need at least a 27 for lower-tier/mid-tier schools. You can also take a couple of more classes while you're doing that to show that you haven't "stopped" learning.



Moral of the story: Each school is different. If they like what they see, they'll take you. Make your app as strong as you can. Be diverse (more than just URM) by having a range of experiences under your belt (1. clinical, 2. research, 3. publications/abstracts/presentations/etc, 4. leadership).

Conclusion: If your primary is already verified, then pick a few schools that you have the best shot of getting into. If it has NOT been verified, then I believe you can still withdraw and you won't be considered a re-applicant next year. Which will be the best scenario. You can fix your MCAT then. Whatever you choose to do

Thank you. I don't know how the other dude (DocSurgeon?) got the idea about relying on race from and how he can make such definitive statements based on a sample size of his friends. My application was submitted b4 my MCAT (my Mistake) and I was just looking for suggestions on what to do. Acceptance or not I will be taking biochem, genetics, Cell biology and do some research this academic year. I will study for the MCAT again beginning next month and retake in January. Thanks for ALL the replies.

 

[Black Surgeon]

As I have stated above, and will state again,

YOUR RACE WILL NOT GET YOU INTO MEDICAL SCHOOL, NOR WILL IT KEEP YOU THERE.

This statement wasn't as poignantly aimed at the OP as much as it was aimed and directed at all URMs who entertain threads like this one:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=758759

and content themselves with mediocrity in hopes their race will get them through.

OP, you can choose to listen to those who themselves have not fully gone through the process, or you can choose to listen to a "troll" who has gone through the process himself, and presently sits on his school's admission board as a Medical student interviewer and interviewee evaluator.

 

[web2linc]

As I have stated above, and will state again,

YOUR RACE WILL NOT GET YOU INTO MEDICAL SCHOOL, NOR WILL IT KEEP YOU THERE.

This statement wasn't as poignantly aimed at the OP as much as it was aimed and directed at all URMs who entertain threads like this one:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=758759

and content themselves with mediocrity in hopes their race will get them through.

OP, you can choose to listen to those who themselves have not fully gone through the process, or you can choose to listen to a "troll" who has gone through the process himself, and presently sits on his school's admission board as a Medical student interviewer and interviewee evaluator.

Ok, so you help interview students, great.

Men lie. Women lie. Numbers don't.

Acceptance Rates:

Reasoning for the differing acceptance rates:
http://journals.lww.com/academicmed...imating_the_Pre_interview_Rankings_of.19.aspx
http://www.aamc.org/meded/urm/start.htm
http://www.aamc.org/students/minorities/start.htm
Do your research. Of course no one said Race will get you in alone.

 

[Black Surgeon]

Men lie. Women lie. Numbers don't.

The right numbers in the wrong hands can leave room for misinterpretation and a self fulfilling prophecy of mediocrity.

Reasoning for the differing acceptance rates:
http://journals.lww.com/academicmed...imating_the_Pre_interview_Rankings_of.19.aspx
http://www.aamc.org/meded/urm/start.htm
http://www.aamc.org/students/minorities/start.htm
Do your research. Of course no one said Race will get you in alone.

The research above does not account for a very important fact: Historically black universities and Colleges (HBCUs), namely Howard, Meharry, and Morehouse.

These three school alone comprise a very high percentage of URM admittees each year. Their primary end goal is to graduate physicians whom will serve in underrepresented and underserved communities, and thus have chosen to value dedication in serving underserved communities as a primary criteria in their admissions process. This criteria is very often held at a higher standard than grades and MCAT scores at these schools. Hence, this difference in prioritization may be described as an extremely important counfounder: Which in this case, is an extraneous variable in a statistical model that correlates negatively with the validity of the "numbers" that you believe don't lie.

The afore mentioned schools receive (all together) an average of 15,000 applications a year for an average of approximately 400 seats which equals out to about a 2% acceptance rate, they are highly selective. Furthermore, these schools have produced some of the most respected and well accomplished African American physicians in this country's history. They choose and have historically chosen the best all around minority students, and I assure you their success wasn't achieved by admitting students who content themselves with underachievement and who choose to promote mediocrity to their peers as opposed to stressing the importance of hard work and the need to push ourselves to achieve.

You have clearly chosen to bask in complacency. It is your choice, and I respect it. However, I do not respect your intent on promoting that same complacency, underachievement and mediocrity to other URMs in this sub-forum. Frankly, if you used the time you spend promoting underachievement to instead, do research in a lab, or to better your academic performance, you will be much better served, and all other URMs would be spared of your deleterious message.

I busted my tail in undergrad, as I do now in Medical school and will continue to do in residency and as a professional. My GPA and MCAT scores were above what you've mentioned and the same is the case for most at the HBCUs and for most other URMs at Non-HBCUs. We did not rest and count on race to help us. However, threads and statements like the ones you continue to spread only aid in diminishing URM achievements, and in labeling us as tokens and race opportunists. Your involvement in this subforum is NOT welcomed.

YOUR RACE WILL NOT GET YOU INTO MEDICAL SCHOOL, NOR WILL IT KEEP YOU THERE.

 

[web2linc]

Those three schools admit ~250 students a year.
About 3000 African-Americans applied in 2008.
About 1300 matriculated in 2008.
About 1/3 of black applicants are men.

Average total MCAT for Black Applicants. 2009: 21.6 (SD = 5.7)
VR = 7.0 (SD = 2.4)
PS = 7.1 (SD = 2.0)
BS = 7.6 (SD = 2.4)
Average GPA Total: 3.31 (SD = 0.50)
Average Science GPA: 3.13 (SD = 0.40)

Average total MCAT for Black Matriculants, 2009: 26.1 (SD = 3.6)
VR = 8.4 (SD = 2.3)
PS = 8.5 (SD = 1.9)
BS = 9.3 (SD = 1.5)
Average GPA Science: 3.36 (SD = 0.35)
Average GPA Total: 3.42 (SD = 0.28)

From the years 2007 to 2009, ~10% of black applicants had MCAT scores 30 or above, ~20% of black acceptees had scores above 30. ~25% of black acceptees had MCAT scores below a 23.

1100 of 4000 acceptees (~25%) over the past 3 years, who were black had a GPA below 3.0.

According to your logic, your assuming that those three schools admit a majority of below average applicants. However the number of acceptees who are below average cannot account for all of those numbers. There are 130 accrediated medical schools. If that were true, then those schools would report severely low GPAs and MCAT score for their maltriculants.

Looking at the data, the OP had scores within 1 standard deviation of the mean for all of his stats. His Science GPA is above average. However his verbal and cum GPA is on the lower end of the spectrum, but still with 1 standard deviation of acceptees. He clearly has a shot. Given the data. He would just have to apply broadly.

BTW, Howard considers a competitive applicant will have a Science GPA of 3.0, a total MCAT of at least 22, and an obvious interest in and quality experiences working in underserved communities. All three attributes must be present.

 

[Black Surgeon]

Looking at the data, the OP had scores within 1 standard deviation of the mean for all of his stats. His Science GPA is above average. However his verbal and cum GPA is on the lower end of the spectrum, but still with 1 standard deviation of acceptees. He clearly has a shot. Given the data. He would just have to apply broadly.

Web2linc, you simply don't get it, read my previous post again:

The right numbers in the wrong hands can leave room for misinterpretation and a self fulfilling prophecy of mediocrity.

The research above does not account for a very important fact: Historically black universities and Colleges (HBCUs), namely Howard, Meharry, and Morehouse.

These three school alone comprise a very high percentage of URM admittees each year. Their primary end goal is to graduate physicians whom will serve in underrepresented and underserved communities, and thus have chosen to value dedication in serving underserved communities as a primary criteria in their admissions process. This criteria is very often held at a higher standard than grades and MCAT scores at these schools. Hence, this difference in prioritization may be described as an extremely important counfounder: Which in this case, is an extraneous variable in a statistical model that correlates negatively with the validity of the "numbers" that you believe don't lie.

The afore mentioned schools receive (all together) an average of 15,000 applications a year for an average of approximately 400 seats which equals out to about a 2% acceptance rate, they are highly selective. Furthermore, these schools have produced some of the most respected and well accomplished African American physicians in this country's history. They choose and have historically chosen the best all around minority students, and I assure you their success wasn't achieved by admitting students who content themselves with underachievement and who choose to promote mediocrity to their peers as opposed to stressing the importance of hard work and the need to push ourselves to achieve.

You have clearly chosen to bask in complacency. It is your choice, and I respect it. However, I do not respect your intent on promoting that same complacency, underachievement and mediocrity to other URMs in this sub-forum. Frankly, if you used the time you spend promoting underachievement to instead, do research in a lab, or to better your academic performance, you will be much better served, and all other URMs would be spared of your deleterious message.

I busted my tail in undergrad, as I do now in Medical school and will continue to do in residency and as a professional. My GPA and MCAT scores were above what you've mentioned and the same is the case for most at the HBCUs and for most other URMs at Non-HBCUs. We did not rest and count on race to help us. However, threads and statements like the ones you continue to spread only aid in diminishing URM achievements, and in labeling us as tokens and race opportunists. Your involvement in this subforum is NOT welcomed.

I will exert no further effort in acknowledging or responding to your replies on the subject. I hope all others in this subforum are better able to comprehend my statements and take them to heart.

YOUR RACE WILL NOT GET YOU INTO MEDICAL SCHOOL, NOR WILL IT KEEP YOU THERE.

 

[web2linc]

Web2linc, you simply don't get it, read my previous post again:



I will exert no further effort in acknowledging or responding to your replies on the subject. I hope all others in this subforum are better able to comprehend my statements and take them to heart.

YOUR RACE WILL NOT GET YOU INTO MEDICAL SCHOOL, NOR WILL IT KEEP YOU THERE.

Stop trolling, I'm not going to address your beliefs. I'm talking facts about acceptances. The OP asked about it his chances.

Good day sir.

 

[Dartmouth2005]

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[TaylorMDhopeful]

First off, to the OP: In my opinion, I would increase my chances if I were you before applying through: post bac, research, clinical/shadowing and retaking the MCAT. Yes, with your numbers it is possible to get into medical school but the chances are slim even with all your ducks in line outside of MCAT and GPA (research, LORs, leadership, strong clinical experience and passion for medicine provided through the application). Then things aren't solidified as an acceptance even with all of those things because of how random and subjective the interview process is. A reader on a bad day can look at your app and toss it away or a reader beside them on the same day can put you through to the interview. Then your actual charisma and interview skills mean a lot once you get to that point. You can get a crappy interviewer that won't allow you to shine and you will be sunk early on because of their non-responsiveness, hey it happens. Even in the most perfect of circumstances for your case, it will still be extremely difficult to get into an MD program with your stats (even to the HBCU med schools that have varying competitive standards for admissions). I would gain some more world/life experience and bolster my application so you can market yourself in the best possible light (essentially that is what you are doing in this app process, marketing yourself as a potential classmate, student, future colleague).

Men lie. Women lie. Numbers don't.

Acceptance Rates:

Reasoning for the differing acceptance rates:
http://journals.lww.com/academicmed...imating_the_Pre_interview_Rankings_of.19.aspx
http://www.aamc.org/meded/urm/start.htm
http://www.aamc.org/students/minorities/start.htm
Do your research. Of course no one said Race will get you in alone.

Don't forget that outside of the HBCU medical schools, there are also 4 Puerto Rico medical schools that are added into these statistics leaving the chances of acceptance in the US much slimmer than before if you look at these statistics. There is still a possibility for the OP getting in but the likelihood of having to reapply is high. It depends on the specific application cycle as standards and competition varies. Blacksurgeon is correct in saying that you can't vouch on race as even amongst the HBCUs having lower than a 24 MCAT score and 3.5 GPA will lower your chances significantly because of the competition for those spots.

Those three schools admit ~250 students a year.

According to your logic, your assuming that those three schools admit a majority of below average applicants. However the number of acceptees who are below average cannot account for all of those numbers. There are 130 accrediated medical schools. If that were true, then those schools would report severely low GPAs and MCAT score for their maltriculants.

Looking at the data, the OP had scores within 1 standard deviation of the mean for all of his stats. His Science GPA is above average. However his verbal and cum GPA is on the lower end of the spectrum, but still with 1 standard deviation of acceptees. He clearly has a shot. Given the data. He would just have to apply broadly.

BTW, Howard considers a competitive applicant will have a Science GPA of 3.0, a total MCAT of at least 22, and an obvious interest in and quality experiences working in underserved communities. All three attributes must be present.

A verbal score below 8 at most schools is an automatic rejection. Its supposedly a "good predictor" of success and ability to handle med school work. Its BS to some extent but many schools follow this religiously with few exceptions.

Web2linc, you simply don't get it, read my previous post again:


I will exert no further effort in acknowledging or responding to your replies on the subject. I hope all others in this subforum are better able to comprehend my statements and take them to heart.

YOUR RACE WILL NOT GET YOU INTO MEDICAL SCHOOL, NOR WILL IT KEEP YOU THERE.

Stop trolling, I'm not going to address your beliefs. I'm talking facts about acceptances. The OP asked about it his chances.

Good day sir.

You can't really rely on the numbers you presented to get an accurate picture of real chances of the OP's acceptance to medical school. Blacksurgeon is not "trolling", he just knows that much more goes into an application than the numbers and race. A great deal of stock is put into many other things. Numbers may get you an interview but it doesn't always get you the acceptance. Many schools put a great deal of stock into the interview and interpersonal skills and ability to articulate your reasons for wanting to become a doctor. Things are very variable from year to year. Not knowing the OP's full academic resume and application/statement, it would be difficult to just clump them into a percentage for acceptance. As someone who has already been through the process (for what its worth), I would hold off applying, increase my chances and try to get into the best school possible (for the OP). Just know that with the OP's "numbers alone", the chances of an acceptance happening aren't very good.

 

[jweezy225]

this whole thread is just...ugh. I wish black people would just stop this sort of bickering. I mean, gosh, this thread isn't even about the OP anymore.

 

[DancingThruLife]

this whole thread is just...ugh. I wish black people would just stop this sort of bickering. I mean, gosh, this thread isn't even about the OP anymore.

👍

 

[TaylorMDhopeful]

this whole thread is just...ugh. I wish black people would just stop this sort of bickering. I mean, gosh, this thread isn't even about the OP anymore.

Yup, the thread went off on a tangent for a little bit...but one thing I wanted to convey is that being a reapplicant does put you at a disadvantage when applying unless you significantly changed your application since the last cycle you applied. If you applied just for kicks or just to throw your application in and are not accepted the first time around, without significant improvement most of the schools you applied to the first time will not give you the time of day (i.e. if you weren't competitive enough the first time, why would you be competitive now). So if you apply to your favorite schools on a whim and then reapply the next year to the same school, you will be at a disadvantage if you don't have something strong to show them concerning your maturation/progress toward the profession/research/leadership etc. That is my worry with the OP unless there is something about his application that sticks out.

 

[Black Surgeon]

Yup, the thread went off on a tangent for a little bit...but one thing I wanted to convey is that being a reapplicant does put you at a disadvantage when applying unless you significantly changed your application since the last cycle you applied. If you applied just for kicks or just to throw your application in and are not accepted the first time around, without significant improvement most of the schools you applied to the first time will not give you the time of day (i.e. if you weren't competitive enough the first time, why would you be competitive now). So if you apply to your favorite schools on a whim and then reapply the next year to the same school, you will be at a disadvantage if you don't have something strong to show them concerning your maturation/progress toward the profession/research/leadership etc. That is my worry with the OP unless there is something about his application that sticks out.

Great point! I completely forgot about this, "applying just to see if you'll get in" has a price indeed.

 

[mdfirst]

Yes you should definately apply. I think you have a really good chance, especially at the HBCU med schools

 

[jasoncleark]

Not with standing the MCAT is that 3.5 will be problematic. What happened in the past is not true for the future. Medical school admissions are quite subjective in many ways, so you can not do "percent chance" to obtain coverage from one year to another. . Each year, the average matriculation uGPAs increased (rampant grade inflation in most colleges and universities) that do not bode well for either candidate Urm or not. Most likely the OP will need after a serious work of BACC and not more than the average MCAT scores.

 

[Brigade4Radiant]

Go ahead and apply. If it is too late then apply early next year after studying more for the MCAT. And yes you can use those stats as a guideline.

Stop delaying your life on the word of strangers and apply. If you don't apply you know for sure that you need to boost your stats.

 

[DSTinyMD]

jweezy225 What schools did you interview at might I ask?