Got rejected from Harvard

[gegogi]

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Got a mail from Harvard. Sigh...This one was the dream school of my life...
I will give a shot next cycle...Anyone who can give me an advice especially for harvard?

 

[Bruinlove]

Anyone who can give me an advice especially for harvard?

Sure.

3.8+ GPA, 24+ DAT, extraordinary life experiences, multiple published papers.

Oh, never mind. I just remembered you have 3.5/19.

 

[visbimmer79]

I think...

Given DAT scores,

4.0 22

3.9 23

3.8 24


whatever GPA above 3.5+ 25+

 

[jay47]

Not to burst any bubbles here but....
what would be the advantage of going to Harvard, as opposed to any other dental school?

Would patients really care if their dentist went to Harvard, Columbia, or any other high league school?

I am asking as I really don't know.

 

[shoombol tallah]

I think...

Given DAT scores,

4.0 22

3.9 23

3.8 24


whatever GPA above 3.5+ 25+

Nope I have a 3.85 and AA23 TS25 and got rejected today. God knows what they want, looking at predents i see people with a lot lower stats getting interviews.

 

[visbimmer79]

Nope I have a 3.85 and AA23 TS25 and got rejected today. God knows what they want, looking at predents i see people with a lot lower stats getting interviews.

Actually, you have a good shot for Harvard.

Very surprising~

The only clue is...........verbal section.........or too low QR!

I mean~ even with high DAT scores, lower verbal score will hurt you.

What's your verbal score?

 

[supraman]

Awwww didn't get into Harvy, better luck next year

 

[shoombol tallah]

Awwww didn't get into Harvy, better luck next year

Thanks dude now make sure you put away your legos before you come chat with the big boys. If you cant think of something productive to say dont be a jackass. No one here is saying anything outrageous or far fetched for you to get your panties in a bunch.


My reading was a 19, not the greatest but it was high enough to get me interviews at the other ivy league schools.

 

[visbimmer79]

Awwww didn't get into Harvy, better luck next year

Or do you mean you will apply to Harvard again, while you may attend another D-school? 😱

 

[Frederico Albin]

Are you seriously thinking about waiting another year just to apply to Harvard again?

 

[jay47]

Are you seriously thinking about waiting another year just to apply to Harvard again?

That was my other first thought.

 

[supraman]

"big boys" don't score a 19 on RC.

Edit: For real though, I'm implying TS wants to reapply just because he didn't get in, in which case would be rediculous

 

[shoombol tallah]

"big boys" don't score a 19 on RC.

Edit: For real though, I'm implying TS wants to reapply just because he didn't get in, in which case would be rediculous

I figured thats what you implied but the way you worded it seemed like you were attacking me too. I agree waiting a year for any school including is not a good idea. your also right 19 isnt very big boyish but an academic average in 98 percentile and Total science in the 99 percentile make up for it 😀

 

[misstoothfairy]

Did you guys get rejected Post-interview or Pre-interview? If you guys got rejected AFTER interview I can tell you that they looked at many factors hard, and everything ELSE you have to offer other than grades and DAT scores. If harvard doesn't see potential in you as an applicant, despite your amazing stats, they will not select you. It could be the difference between one sentence in a LOR or in your personal statement. You will be questioned about it in your interview, or simply rejected. They are like every other ivy-league schools, except mine (for undergrad), which is the one that people go to who didn't get into yale/harvard 😉 in that they have a certain ideal student.

 

[supraman]

I figured thats what you implied but the way you worded it seemed like you were attacking me too. I agree waiting a year for any school including is not a good idea. your also right 19 isnt very big boyish but an academic average in 98 percentile and Total science in the 99 percentile make up for it 😀

Sick percentiles dude lol

 

[shoombol tallah]

Sick percentiles dude lol

thanks man but i'd trade it in a heart beat for a riced out supra lol

 

[DDSguyLA]

im just chillin around this thread to see if any ishhh goes down... shombool let me know bro... i'm on the look out.


-Big Boys Club Member

 

[PSU SHC 414]

Nope I have a 3.85 and AA23 TS25 and got rejected today. God knows what they want, looking at predents i see people with a lot lower stats getting interviews.

I really wouldn't get too down on yourselves about Harvard. If a majority of people knew what the "magic combination" that Harvard was looking for, well... it wouldn't be Harvard. Now if this was law school or business school... I'd be singing a different tune.

I don't envy the Harvard admissions committee at all... from a sheer statistical standpoint, their job is daunting. Just imagine the number of applicants they have to turn away that have not only outstanding numbers (like shoombol... great stats btw), but also with extensive extracurriculars and research experience. Let's face it... the people who are applying to Harvard (with the few exceptions of some applicants that are EXTREMELY hopeful, maybe borderline delusional, about their chances at the "H" bomb) are all gunners in one way or another. To make things worse, with a class size of only a mere 35 people, they have to look outside the box for those X factors (i.e. "extraordinary life experiences" - whether it be an advanced degree like a PhD, extreme adversity faced during life, exceptional instances of community service, and maybe even ethnicity), as someone previously mentioned, otherwise their job of selecting their class would be impossible.

Shoombol is right - look at the Harvard interviewee stats on predents. All of them have impressive GPAs, but when it comes to DAT scores, they're not jaw-dropping by any means. So, just because you've been rejected from Harvard despite having great numbers and a great application doesn't necessarily mean that you're an "undesirable" DS applicant. It might just mean that you don't fit the Harvard "mold" - some people are fortunate enough to fit that mold, some can only dream of it, and others have no desire to.

 

[doc toothache]

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=527690
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=527700

 

[klutzy1987]

I got a call from Harvard yesterday inviting me to an interview and I certainly dont have "big boy" RC or bio stats. I wonder what they see in me.

 

[RAK1987]

i think in the whole admissions process - - this applies to any school - - people lose themselves in their stats asking why they didn't get in somewhere when they had amazing stats....

i think a big factor that we all fail to consider is the school's personality. the admissions committee has to piece together a class full of people they barely know... we all may be perfectly nice, capable students, but schools also look what your personality is like. unfortunately, in some cases not all of our personalities fit in with every school - and they can sense that. so perhaps rejection in some cases can actually be a blessing... i personally would not want to be a school that i felt uncomfortable in.

... and yeah... when we go on interviews we have like an hour to be judged by a wide variety of people. if they dont like who you are in an hour, then see ya.

sorry for being long-winded.... 🙂

 

[PSU SHC 414]

I got a call from Harvard yesterday inviting me to an interview and I certainly dont have "big boy" RC or bio stats. I wonder what they see in me.

If I had to guess, it'd be your GPA... and then some of your ECs (to a lesser degree). Based on predents, it seems like Harvard weighs GPA pretty heavily (even moreso than DAT scores). Everyone who has gotten an interview has a GPA (both science and overall) that is no less than ~3.80, while AA and TS scores (for the most part) are in the 20-22 range...

 

[achilles2]

I got a call from Harvard yesterday inviting me to an interview and I certainly dont have "big boy" RC or bio stats. I wonder what they see in me.

call me crazy but it might be a combo of your GPA + 96%ile DAT score lulz


Now asfor me we'll see if they can overlook my undergrad GPA and embrace my grad GPA and DAT scores. I got big boy Bio and Reading comp scores but Harvard is Harvard so nothings promised at that level.

 

[AlwaysImproving]

When I interviewed there, they said that they are looking at the whole application. This includes personal statement, letters or rec, what courses you took, your application, etc.

We all know this, I don't mean to say that we don't. But perhaps some people with lower DAT scores got an interview precisely because of the application as a whole...

One thing the students told me was that last year, Harvard only called 10 students on December 1st...

GL to us all 🙂👍

 

[visbimmer79]

like 3weeks ago~

I've forgotten about it!

Actually, I have lower GPA&PAT for this school. (Barely touch 3.6&19)

If this school has been my top choice, I should have retaken DAT to raise my PAT from 19 to 22.

Frankly, what is Harvard to me at this time is just a lottery.

But, I am interested in being there a bit later~

Looks like.........Harvard vs Columbia

Both schools love high DAT scores.

However, Harvard has more strict policy regarding GPA & PAT.


Harvard
small size, PBL, Boston DAT(high verbal & PAT) = GPA
Research oriented!!

Columbia
moderate size, Traditional lecture, NYC
Specialty oriented!! DAT > GPA

Anyway, they have the similiar average over 22+.

Ok......buttom line..

Plz don't be rejected from Harvard, and go to Harvard and drop other schools immediately. LEAVE YOUR STATE AND GO TO HARVARD~

 

[shoombol tallah]

I really wouldn't get too down on yourselves about Harvard. If a majority of people knew what the "magic combination" that Harvard was looking for, well... it wouldn't be Harvard. Now if this was law school or business school... I'd be singing a different tune.

I don't envy the Harvard admissions committee at all... from a sheer statistical standpoint, their job is daunting. Just imagine the number of applicants they have to turn away that have not only outstanding numbers (like shoombol... great stats btw), but also with extensive extracurriculars and research experience. Let's face it... the people who are applying to Harvard (with the few exceptions of some applicants that are EXTREMELY hopeful, maybe borderline delusional, about their chances at the "H" bomb) are all gunners in one way or another. To make things worse, with a class size of only a mere 35 people, they have to look outside the box for those X factors (i.e. "extraordinary life experiences" - whether it be an advanced degree like a PhD, extreme adversity faced during life, exceptional instances of community service, and maybe even ethnicity), as someone previously mentioned, otherwise their job of selecting their class would be impossible.

Shoombol is right - look at the Harvard interviewee stats on predents. All of them have impressive GPAs, but when it comes to DAT scores, they're not jaw-dropping by any means. So, just because you've been rejected from Harvard despite having great numbers and a great application doesn't necessarily mean that you're an "undesirable" DS applicant. It might just mean that you don't fit the Harvard "mold" - some people are fortunate enough to fit that mold, some can only dream of it, and others have no desire to.

I want to thank all the other big boys for their support lol 🙂 Yeah i think you guys are right that they look at the whole package, without getting into specifics i thought i had that with both academics and my volunteer/work experience. Regardless Im not too worried the only reason i posted in the first place was because someone said if you have such GPA all you need is this DAT and I wanted to say thats not always true. Shout out to my homie DDSGUYINLA for having my back, big boy out.

 

[MiamiNole20]

yo, you ain't cool unless you get rejected from harvard... haha

 

[doc toothache]

Attitude is everything!

 

[harrygt]

Count me in guys. 😀 Shoombool, you get my sympathy first!
Just got the Harvard rejsnail mail. It's actually good that I won't have another trip to the east coast in the middle of all the crazy midterms coming around.

 

[shoombol tallah]

Count me in guys. 😀 Shoombool, you get my sympathy first!
Just got the Harvard rejsnail mail. It's actually good that I won't have another trip to the east coast in the middle of all the crazy midterms coming around.

welcome to the rejected from harvard group fellow big boy member lol. To tell you the truth harry i wouldn't trade UCLA for any other school. Im very envious of your invite, congrats man !👍🙂

 

[visbimmer79]

Count me in guys. 😀 Shoombool, you get my sympathy first!
Just got the Harvard rejsnail mail. It's actually good that I won't have another trip to the east coast in the middle of all the crazy midterms coming around.

Can it happen?

I can't believe it!

 

[glk2101]

damn harrygt, i have the same DAT scores as you, and now i am kind of scared..

how long did it take for them to get back to you after they told you your application was complete??

 

[Contach]

Count me in guys. 😀 Shoombool, you get my sympathy first!
Just got the Harvard rejsnail mail. It's actually good that I won't have another trip to the east coast in the middle of all the crazy midterms coming around.

wholy ****.. 4.0 24/26 and a reject from harvard?

that's crazy.. im worried for myself now..

 

[harrygt]

damn harrygt, i have the same DAT scores as you, and now i am kind of scared..

how long did it take for them to get back to you after they told you your application was complete??

I got the "application complete, shortly in reivew" email on Sep, 25th. I guess it took 40 days to get rejected [still a promising amount of time? j/k]. Don't get disappointed if the rejection letter shows up. You guys have outstanding stats.Good luck to you and the other poster.
By the way, do they reject anyone who they are not willing to interview? I've always been wondering about this.

 

[Optimism Smiles]

Count me in guys!! I don't think they know what they are missing out on with us! At least I also got a letter from my school saying I got a $1300 scholarship for being the top biology kid at my school. It softens the blow! hahaha

 

[DSpagnoli]

Got a mail from Harvard. Sigh...This one was the dream school of my life...
I will give a shot next cycle...Anyone who can give me an advice especially for harvard?

I assume you have applied to other schools than just Harvard....😕

 

[abc123destroy]

Not to burst any bubbles here but....
what would be the advantage of going to Harvard, as opposed to any other dental school?

Would patients really care if their dentist went to Harvard, Columbia, or any other high league school?

I am asking as I really don't know.

First of all, Columbia is not a "high league school" Not even in the top 10.

 

[glk2101]

First of all, Columbia is not a "high league school" Not even in the top 10.

please elaborate on this, ive never heard it not being near the top

 

[klutzy1987]

please elaborate on this, ive never heard it not being near the top

There are no dental school rankings, however Columbia is one of the 3 ivy's so reputation wise it is pretty good. As for it being a very good school I agree. They don't have any clinic its almost all didactic and they assume if you know the theory you can do it in real life.

 

[Contach]

There are no dental school rankings, however Columbia is one of the 3 ivy's so reputation wise it is pretty good. As for it being a very good school I agree. They don't have any clinic its almost all didactic and they assume if you know the theory you can do it in real life.

What do you mean they have no clinic?

 

[Hoky Poky]

Be careful about repeating things that you've heard - in passing or even by a student from a said school. One thing that I learned throughout the whole application process is to not always believe what you hear and really dig around yourself to find out the real facts.
For example, do you think any dental school graduate students without exposing them to significant clinic experience?
Do you think that Harvard students do research all day instead of learning and working with teeth?
There are a whole bunch of misconceptions out there, probably for every dental school out there. These forums are a great resource, but don't believe everything you read on here (...maybe even this post )

 

[Bruinlove]

What do you mean they have no clinic?

Yeah, I thought I saw a clinic during the school tour. 😕

 

[harrygt]

There are no dental school rankings, however Columbia is one of the 3 ivy's so reputation wise it is pretty good. As for it being a very good school I agree. They don't have any clinic its almost all didactic and they assume if you know the theory you can do it in real life.

Where do the students practice then? In the ghetto?

 

[diplo123]

I recently interviewed at Harvard School of Dental Medicine and stayed in the dorms. It truly is an amazing school. A very rich history and atmosphere. Very polite and classy student body, but very cool and down to earth as well. I'm crossing my fingers but it is expensive.

 

[kkikkokka]

wow, do they call you for interview invite? 😱

 

[Mia305]

Yes- Harvard calls students for interviews.

 

[klutzy1987]

Yeah, I thought I saw a clinic during the school tour. 😕

LOL what i meant by that was that they barely have any clinic hours. They have clinic like 2 days a week as a D4. That absurd.

 

[cobalt31]

LOL what i meant by that was that they barely have any clinic hours. They have clinic like 2 days a week as a D4. That absurd.

if columbia produces clinically poor graduates, why do some of the best residency programs continually accept graduates from there? you'd think after a few years of accepting graduates with poor clinical skills the programs would stop taking people from columbia? or is my logic out of line?

 

[klutzy1987]

if columbia produces clinically poor graduates, why do some of the best residency programs continually accept graduates from there? you'd think after a few years of accepting graduates with poor clinical skills the programs would stop taking people from columbia? or is my logic out of line?

What residency program have you spoken to. I shadowed a residency program director and she said that columbia grads have exceptional didactic backgound but severely lacking in clinic. Additionally I have spoken to several recent dental school graduates and they all echoed the same thing, Columbia grads are signifigantly behind graduates from most other programs when it comes to clinic.

 

[glk2101]

What residency program have you spoken to. I shadowed a residency program director and she said that columbia grads have exceptional didactic backgound but severely lacking in clinic. Additionally I have spoken to several recent dental school graduates and they all echoed the same thing, Columbia grads are signifigantly behind graduates from most other programs when it comes to clinic.

do you think that coming from a school like stony brook with heavy clinical work puts you at an advantage over columbia for getting residency?