GPA from two schools and SMPs [cross-post from WAMC]

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Hi guys, thought I get your input as well. I will be applying to SMPs and I have GPAs from two schools because I transferred.

I had a very significant change in my life prior to my transfer. I haven't taken the MCATs yet, and have extensive research experience (all semesters of college). No clinical or leadership experience. I will not go back to college next semester because of lack of funds, so technically I have graduated.

Since my GPA is sub 3.0, am I doomed for applying to SMPs even? Will they average my two GPAs or only look at the one from the better college?

Could you make recommendations of SMPs for me? Thanks for the help.
 
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Hi guys, thought I get your input as well. I will be applying to SMPs and I have GPAs from two schools because I transferred. Here are the stats:

school#1 (small liberal arts college)
-cGPA: 3.50
-sGPA: 3.28

school#2 (top 30 liberal arts college)
-cGPA: 2.66
-sGPA: 2.62

I had a very significant change in my life prior to my transfer. I haven't taken the MCATs yet, and have extensive research experience (all semesters of college). No clinical or leadership experience. I will not go back to college next semester because of lack of funds, so technically I have graduated.

Since my GPA is sub 3.0, am I doomed for applying to SMPs even? Will they average my two GPAs or only look at the one from the better college?

Could you make recommendations of SMPs for me? Thanks for the help.

Somehow, I think Dr. Midlife is going to throw another Robin Williams video my way after saying this, but...

If you score really well on the MCAT, you should have no trouble getting into an SMP. They'll average your GPAs, so as long as you have above a 3.0 and a 27, you should qualify for all of the SMPs that I know of. As for which schools, Georgetown, Cincinnati, Tufts, and EVMS seem to be the big ones. I applied to Cincy- come join me in that thread. It's lonely in there.
 
Somehow, I think Dr. Midlife is going to throw another Robin Williams video my way after saying this, but...

If you score really well on the MCAT, you should have no trouble getting into an SMP. They'll average your GPAs, so as long as you have above a 3.0 and a 27
Ugh BND - one day you'll say something thats actually right in this forum.

1) SMPs decide how they want to calculate your GPA. You must assume they follow the AMCAS method - which is not simply averaging your two GPAs together.

You also must calculate your cGPA and sGPA to get accurate advice. There is a spreadsheet on the web or instructions on how to figure this out

2) a 27 on the MCAT is not good enough for anything. never ever take the MCAT until you ready to get a 30+. Schools penalize to a degree for multiple attempts, and it does hurt to take multiple MCATs.

Also whats concerning is the downward trend when you stepped up in competitiveness levels - that doesnt bode well for transitioning up again
 
Ugh BND - one day you'll say something thats actually right in this forum.

1) SMPs decide how they want to calculate your GPA. You must assume they follow the AMCAS method - which is not simply averaging your two GPAs together.

You also must calculate your cGPA and sGPA to get accurate advice. There is a spreadsheet on the web or instructions on how to figure this out

Also whats concerning is the downward trend when you stepped up in competitiveness levels - that doesnt bode well for transitioning up again

Hey Robflanker, thanks for the response. Could you link to the spreadsheet? And I have solid reasons for my downward trend, I am thinking that doing well on the MCAT will be beneficial and count as upward(?).

If you don't mind my asking, where are you getting your MD? Thanks in advance

Can you recommend programs which don't have a 3.0 minimum requirement?
 
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Ugh BND - one day you'll say something thats actually right in this forum.

1) SMPs decide how they want to calculate your GPA. You must assume they follow the AMCAS method - which is not simply averaging your two GPAs together.

You also must calculate your cGPA and sGPA to get accurate advice. There is a spreadsheet on the web or instructions on how to figure this out

2) a 27 on the MCAT is not good enough for anything. never ever take the MCAT until you ready to get a 30+. Schools penalize to a degree for multiple attempts, and it does hurt to take multiple MCATs.

Also whats concerning is the downward trend when you stepped up in competitiveness levels - that doesnt bode well for transitioning up again

I never said a 27 would get him in- its the cutoff for the programs I've seen. As for averaging... Whoops. I knew what I meant... That has to count for something, right? In my defense, I was half asleep when I posted that. :laugh:
 
extensive research experience (all semesters of college).
How about grad school instead of med school?
No clinical or leadership experience.
To me that says you're going after med school like 8 year old girls go after unicorns. You have no idea what you're doing until you've got clinical exposure.
I will not go back to college next semester because of lack of funds, so technically I have graduated.
You realize that the calendar and your checking account don't get to grant degrees, correct? If you didn't get a degree before the clock & funds ran out, that's a problem.
Somehow, I think Dr. Midlife is going to throw another Robin Williams video my way after saying this, but...
"please don't eat me" made me laugh, so I'll make fun of Robin Williams instead. His embarrassing television past: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bnwbwrOM6g
If you score really well on the MCAT, you should have no trouble getting into an SMP. They'll average your GPAs, so as long as you have above a 3.0 and a 27, you should qualify for all of the SMPs that I know of.
To add some fire to robflanker's comments, a 27 isn't a great MCAT score, and what gets you into an SMP doesn't necessarily get you into med school. If you get into an SMP with a 27, plan on not applying to med school until you up that to 32+. 27 is 5 points below average matriculant score, 2 standard deviations down. Add that to a below average GPA, and no, you don't have a chance at a good SMP.

The SMPs that publish their results (EVMS, Cincy, Tulane ACP, Gtown, maybe Loyola, etc) are extremely competitive, and you need to be above the minimum qualifications to get a seat. The SMPs that don't publish their results (Drexel, Boston?, RFU, Tufts, etc.) are easier to get into. Getting into an SMP that is easy to get into doesn't mean you're getting into med school. And getting into a program that isn't hosted at a med school (Barry, Mississippi college) means you are a marketing victim.
2) a 27 on the MCAT is not good enough for anything. never ever take the MCAT until you ready to get a 30+. Schools penalize to a degree for multiple attempts, and it does hurt to take multiple MCATs
For the love of god, people, please follow this advice. There are so many people around here who seem to think the MCAT is like a hard video game level where you can just keep dying and trying again and dying and trying again.
And I have solid reasons for my downward trend
Don't hug those solid reasons too tight. Doctors don't get to stop performing well when they have solid reasons not to. You'll be judged against applicants who continued to perform well in school when life threw them under the bus.
, I am thinking that doing well on the MCAT will be beneficial and count as upward(?).
Absolutely not. The MCAT demonstrates your ability to do well on a difficult standardized test, which predicts performance on boards. Undergrad GPA demonstrates your ability to do well across multiple difficult years of standardized academics, which predicts performance in multiple wicked difficult years of fairly standardized med school academics.

Best of luck to you.
 
Hey DrMidLife, I think you're right on multiple accounts. I will just try my best with what I have, get a good MCAT score, and work on my clinical experience. God Bless, brother (sister?)

Edit: if there's anything you could tell me that would be helpful, I would appreciate it. Thanks!
 
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"please don't eat me" made me laugh, so I'll make fun of Robin Williams instead. His embarrassing television past: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bnwbwrOM6g

Good god, I completely missed the no clinical experience thing too. I don't suppose I can have the times I post limited to, say before 11 pm? Even for me, that's kind of pathetic. :meanie:

There will be no eating of BrandNewDay today, thank you very much. Or tomorrow- I refuse to be your christmas dinner.
 
What type of research have you done? Any publications? What makes you think that medicine is the right career for you, as opposed to research or academics?

I had a hunch that medicine was the right career for me but it was only after clinical volunteering and shadowing that I knew it was.
 
Hey Robflanker, thanks for the response. Could you link to the spreadsheet? And I have solid reasons for my downward trend, I am thinking that doing well on the MCAT will be beneficial and count as upward(?).

If you don't mind my asking, where are you getting your MD? Thanks in advance

Can you recommend programs which don't have a 3.0 minimum requirement?
After seeing your attitude and behaviour - I am not interested in helping you any further than to say most things that you have asked can be found on the forum by doing searches and reading.

Good luck to you
 
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