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Please don't give me any crap about the content of the question, please answer it if you know/have the answer, I want to go to dental school, this is my desire, I screwed up one stupid section of the DAT (rc) and now will be retaking the test, but even with a retake, my science gpa is not very competitive, its on the lower end, so my options are post bac (cheaper), or masters (ridiculously expensive), most post bacs are for minorities or career changers, I was financially disadvantaged growing up, and am an ethnic minority, but I really don't think they care, with the few seats available around California for reasonably priced schools, I think they simply want to see dark skin, that's what I've noticed and I'm sticking with that statement regardless of what you have to say so again please don't give me any crap about it, they don't want to get sued so they just call it "disadvantaged". I don't want a masters degree, there is nothing I am interested in with a masters degree, so here I am, 26 and floating in the wind. Years of post bac/ CC classes to slowly raise my sGPA with the possibility of not getting in anywhere, rejection letters from this cycle + future rejections +the cost of applying to enough schools to have a chance during at least 2 cycles + my age is making me consider simply applying to pharmacy schools just to have the option, IF accepted, I like the idea of having a real option, I am interested in pharmacy, I feel its something I could do as a career, I want dentistry more, I really see myself as a dentist, but with all the obstacles set up and the number of years it could take with no guarantee even if I perform perfectly, I want to know if schools that I apply to for dental school would know that I also applied to their pharmacy schools, the dental/pharmacy schools are the same universities that I am interested in, I would not be applying to anywhere near the same number of schools for pharmacy, but the few I would apply to have dental schools I'm interested in as well, do you guys think they would know if I apply to both in one cycle?
 
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Please don't give me any crap about the content of the question, please answer it if you know/have the answer, I want to go to dental school, this is my desire, I screwed up one stupid section of the DAT (rc) and now will be retaking the test, but even with a retake, my science gpa is not very competitive, its on the lower end, so my options are post bac (cheaper), or masters (ridiculously expensive), most post bacs are for minorities or career changers, I was financial disadvantaged growing up, and am an ethnic minority, but I really don't think they care, with the few seats available around California for reasonably priced schools, I think they simply want to see dark skin, that's what I've noticed and I'm sticking with that statement regardless of what you have to say so again please don't give me any crap about it, they don't want to get sued so they just call it "disadvantaged". I don't want a masters degree, there is nothing I am interested in with a masters degree, so here I am, 26 and floating in the wind. Years of post bac/ CC classes to slowly raise my sGPA with the possibility of not getting in anywhere, rejection letters from this cycle + future rejections +the cost of applying to enough schools to have a chance during at least 2 cycles + my age is making me consider simply applying to pharmacy schools just to have the option, IF accepted, I like the idea of having a real option, I am interested in pharmacy, I feel its something I could do as a career, I want dentistry more, I really see myself as a dentist, but with all the obstacles set up and the number of years it could take with no guarantee even if I perform perfectly, I want to know if schools that I apply to for dental school would know that I also applied to their pharmacy schools, the dental/pharmacy schools are the same universities that I am interested in, I would not be applying to anywhere near the same number of schools for pharmacy, but the few I would apply to have dental schools I'm interested in as well, do you guys think they would know if I apply to both in one cycle?

On the AADSAS application it asks if you have previously or currently applied to a health profession school other than dental school... so yes, they will know.
 
what if I apply at the same time though, technically I have never applied, or even later on if I simply lie and say no, are the schools connected in such a way that they would inform one another that this person has currently/previously applied to both programs?
 
Im not sure if anyone can really answer that question unless they really know someone on the inside really well. I understand the debockle you're in, I would say just go for both. If you found out that they would know about pharmacy, would you not apply to pharmacy then? You gotta do whats good for you.
 
what if I apply at the same time though, technically I have never applied, or even later on if I simply lie and say no, are the schools connected in such a way that they would inform one another that this person has currently/previously applied to both programs?

Well it asks if you are currentlyapplying to another health profession school, so you would still have to indicate if you are. Nothing good can happen if you lie on your application and put 'no'. Applying to another health profession school isn't something you decide just like that, it is a decision that could take weeks or even months to make. As for if dschools can find out from a pharm school from the same university that you applied, I don't know. They could I guess, but are you willing to take that risk? If you are planning to apply to pharm school as well, I would indicate it on your app, IMO.
 
I hope you used more periods in your PS.
 
i have friends that went for pharmacy. His gpa is not that high and he got into multiple pharm. school. "It's pretty easy to get in." His exact quote. Didn't get into cali. school though. You just need some pharmacy experience for a couple month and you are good.
 
I understand the whole morality thing about lying, or even simply being concerned with the consequences of being caught, but trust me, with 2000-3000 people applying to each dental school, they do NOT want someone who might even consider something else, it just makes it waaaay to easy for them to throw your application away, you might be able to make that statement as an employee of an admissions office, but that is not realistic on an individual basis, the fact is that I have to consider my future, and general bs statements like "100% commitment" is not something I'm going to pretend is necessary, the fact is, I'm ready to start dental school tomorrow, but there is an entire system (almost a business) set up to stop you or take up your time and money (if you screwed up either your gpa or dat), you can come on and make hippie statements like "if you want it bad enough..." I can even agree with those statements as philosophies, and I know there have been people out there with uglier situations than mine that have spent years and succeeded in getting into dental school, but like I said I'm 26 going on 27 soon, spending years just getting into dental school and then 4 years of dental school itself, means that a big portion of my life is vanishing before my eyes, I know its worth it at the end, I know that in the long run, the money spent and time put in will seem like nothing, its the "not knowing" thats killing me, if I had some kind of guarantee that if I join a certain program, get above a certain gpa I can be accepted I would do it in a second, those programs are few and far between, one told me they take 7 people each year, so as you can see, its grim, I don't want a masters degree I can use as toilet paper, and I don't want to waste time, one could say its my "punishment" for my bad performance during my undergraduate years but either way whats making me doubt this road is not knowing whats going to happen, I know I can perform well in any program I join, I just want to know that it will actually help me get in somewhere, and in between that, I want to apply to other graduate programs that I could actually be eligible for without having to worry that it will hurt my chances of getting into a different program, even THAT is made complicated by these people, I just don't know what to do, I'm too old to be this clueless.
 
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hey predentn, I hope you go back and read how I said "please answer it if you know/have the answer" I also said "Please don't give me any crap about the content of the question" I guess I should have specified grammar and spelling issues as well...my bad j*rk off
 
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The low gpa and rc may not keep you from getting accepted, but the rambling might.
 
hey doc toothache, you have a real talent for making creepy/vague/sarcastic comments that never directly address the persons question or concern, or maybe you just have that special spot in your heart for me.....thanks for adding yet another useless contribution to this thread.
 
I've spoken with Temple, their program is new, and at the point that I called them up they said they had 400 applications, and the woman said (at that point in time) they would take around 30 people, later on I read on sdn they had gotten around 600 applications, I also read they only take about 5 predental students, I called them back after reading this to confirm the information and the woman over the phone didn't want to give an exact answer of how many predents, or even how many people would be taken, she just kept saying "I don't know" (another annoying part of this process) they are afraid of being sued or saying the wrong thing (which is understandable) but it makes things so frustrating because you can't get a straight answer out of anyone, then your directed to counselors that don't pick up the phone or don't reply to emails, or call you back when you leave a message. Temple sounds like a great program, but according to one of doc toothache's more useful posts, Temple does not take prerequisites from CC, neither do tufts or BU, they don't mind accepting you into their $30000 + programs with CC credits, but they sometimes fail to mention that after your done with the program, the dental school they are linked with (which is why you did the program) will require you finish your prereqs from a 4 year school, just a small detail they leave out, so there goes three really good programs out the window because I am ineligible for any linkage they may have with their dental schools.
 
Although it seems like you are pretty desperate, I think you should not lie about your situation when applying in 2 health professions. This very well might get you into a much deeper hole. If either dental schools or pharmacy schools find out about your lies, you can pretty much say bye-bye to getting admissions at those schools in future, and all those post-bacc/enrichment programs/more ECs will be useless.

What is your exact GPA? If you say it is low and you have completed at least 4 years of classes I don't think there is much you would be able to do to raise that. I personally don't think post-bacc is a good idea. Enrichment programs... well, maybe. But you should research into them more carefully and see what fits you. However, even if you don't get into enrichment programs, if you have GPA >2.7-2.8 you still have a chance of getting in with killer DAT, good ECs, good LORs. You can explain your bad grades. Then choose the schools to apply wisely.

DAT score is 100% dependent on how much time you spend on studying for it. If you really want to get in, that will motivate you and you will score very well. You CAN score good on it. Spend ~6hrs per day for 2-3 months on it and you will do great. DAT is very very important part of the application and don't listen to whoever tells you that volunteering/shadowing/travelling/URM status are more important. Majority of dental schools won't take you no matter how disadvantaged you are if you cannot understand scientific concepts, be organized or, in general, don't have the needed intellectual potential to succeed in dental school.

In any case, if everything above fails, then not getting into dental school or any professional school in the US is not end of the world. You can try going abroad for dental schools, if you really want to be a dentist, enjoy new culture, come back here and take licensure exam. There are also many other options besides professional schools.

In the end, it depends how well you can take the stress and how well you can come up with solutions, determination, and motivation to overcome the troubles you come accross.
 
doc toothache has contributed more than any SDNer here (with maybe the exception of Pdizzle). it's best to tolerate what you perceive to be "creepy/vague/sarcastic" comments. he means well.

Contributions shouldn't make you exempt from common courtesy.
 
Zubnaya Feya, thanks for the reply, I agree with you on most of what you said, I'm going to send you a pm, my sGPA is a 3.0 , so its low, not too low that I won't bother applying, but low enough to worry, I'm sure if I apply around canada, I'll be competing with plenty of canadians..etc. I have good EC's, not the best in the world but good, I will try, but I'll do it expecting rejections all over the place, like I said, my age combined with the money I will be spending (money I don't have) on applications, and the slow struggle to raise my low gpa is really depressing.

somethinpositiv, I'm not trying to encourage people to come on and defend anybody, I even mentioned in a post "one of doc toothache's more useful posts...."
and you forgot to highlight "....thanks for adding yet another useless contribution to this thread" which makes a big difference in what my point was
I didn't even read you deny what I said was wrong, he gives off a strange/rude vibe........through a monitor.
 
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Hopefully you will take my comments constructively, because that is how they are meant.

First, if you want to become a dentist, dedicate yourself to becoming a dentist and apply only to dental school. If you want to be a pharmacist, dedicate yourself to becoming a pharmacist and only apply to pharmacy school. If you apply to both, it is likely that you will get into neither. You are right, a lot of people apply to dental schools, so they want to know that those they admit are dedicated to becoming dentists. If you get halfway through dental school, then decide to quit, that school has lost a seat they could have given to someone who wanted it more.

Second, don't lie on your application, nothing good will come of it. It will catch up with you and it is likely that you will get into neither dental nor pharmacy school.

Third, if you really want to go to school in cali, look into the UCSF/UOP Dental Reapplicant Post-Bac Program or the SFSU Adjunct Post-Bac Program. Both are through SFSU and aimed at disadvantaged minorities. The programs have very high rates of admittance into dental school (primarily UCSF and UoP). Participants in the program have close to 100% acceptance rates.

Retake the DAT and study like your life depends on it. I sat my azz in a chair for 6-8 hours a day, 5-6 days a week, for two months studying for the DAT. It hurts, but if you want to be a dentist, you must make sacrifices.

Sign up for Kaplan if you must (the online subject and practice tests are most helpful). Pick up a copy of DAT Destroyer, DAT Achiever, etc. Review old school notes and reread old texts. Look at the ADA's list of suggested texts for help - a lot of the DAT questions are taken from material in those texts. The ADA wouldn't suggest them without reason! Since RC is your weak point, start reading scientific journal articles, New York Times, and Scientific American to improve your reading and retention skills.

Strike up a relationship with the schools you really want to attend. Call admissions, explain your situation, and ask them what you can do to improve your application. Be polite.

Lastly, I know that pursuing a new career and applying to professional schools are very stressful, but lighten up a bit and try to be less hostile. It does no good to ask for assistance and then insult those who provide input/criticism, regardless of its constructiveness. The advice given on SDN is worth way more than you pay for it (mostly) and a positive attitude will get you a long way in life!

Good Luck!
 
hey predentn, I hope you go back and read how I said "please answer it if you know/have the answer" I also said "Please don't give me any crap about the content of the question" I guess I should have specified grammer and spelling issues as well...my bad j*rk off

I might have been able to read it if there were some paragraphs in there.
 
I might have been able to read it if there were some paragraphs in there.

oooo good comeback, you must be so clever to point out you need paragraphs to be able to read and understand something as simple as my original post, you also point out that your too slow to realize before you made your clever come back that those instructions made up the first 21 words..... j*rk off
 
bjhath my situation is a very negative one so its very difficult to have a positive attitude about it, you have to understand that I can "see" comments coming from a mile away (from j*rk off's like predentn) and wanted to avoid them by saying ~"please just answer the question and don't give me crap" and a number of people on this thread alone chose to ignore that and spoke about: spelling, then about "rambling" and one guy defended the guy who said I was rambling, you see?
if you really look over what I've been saying, you'll see I gave people credit for constructive comments and simply commented on those (however harshly it may have been) that are just wasting time, I have a lot of concerns and don't want to deal with peoples psychological shortcomings that makes them come on and say half the s*** they say on this forum, I'm on the site because I have gotten a lot out of it and most of the people are awesome, but I am stressed out about this stuff, I'm ok with saying that out loud, and don't want to be hassled about grammar and spelling, I mentioned that I didn't want to be given crap, and people ignored it anyway

I called the ucsf post bac, the deadline is passed, but more importantly, they don't take many people, "A group of 10 applicants chosen from about 60-100 applicants", I'm not trying to be sooo negative, its reality, even with trying to get into a post bac that finally is tailored towards someone in my situation, if I don't get in? what do I do, I'm losing time, ucsf post bac is one of the VERY few that can help someone in my shoes out, if I was 23, 24 it wouldn't be as big a deal, but with ucsf post bac, I fall under their one and half year program category and that IF I get in, I'm about to turn 27 very soon so I just wanted some kind of safety net with the pharmacy route, I agree that if you want to be dentist then thats what you should focus on, but its sooo crappy that they ask you the question of whether or not you've applied to any other grad schools, there is a flip side to "don't lie on your application, nothing good will come of it" (which is true) I could also say IN THIS CASE nothing good could come out of telling the truth, in the sense that its just a way for the school to cross people out of the selection process more easily, which is all they will really do, even IF you get an interview with that situation, imagine how uncomfortable the question would be "I see here you applied to pharmacy school at the same time as you did to our dental school, care to explain that?" there is a bunch of bs answers they want to hear, but never the truth....God forbid you tell them the truth, that will get you kicked out of the room just as fast as any lie I assure you, the whole interview process is a lie IN A SENSE, so again, after reading what people have to say, and my original hunch that its a bad idea, I won't apply this cycle but down the line, if I am desperate enough, I simply won't care at that point.
 
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a lot of "j*rk offs" posting in this thread it seems. this thread thread really isn't headed in the right direction, i wouldn't be surprised if this was locked up...

was that code for asking someone to lock it up? are you pissed that I pointed out how useless your post was? after all...it is pretty funny when someone actually puts up a quote they didn't fully read or understand:

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hey doc toothache, you have a real talent for making creepy/vague/sarcastic comments that never directly address the persons question or concern, or maybe you just have that special spot in your heart for me.....thanks for adding yet another useless contribution to this thread.

doc toothache has contributed more than any SDNer here (with maybe the exception of Pdizzle). it's best to tolerate what you perceive to be "creepy/vague/sarcastic" comments. he means well.

do you now realize that you were soooo excited to defend your good buddy that you consciously or unconsciously did not put "...to this thread" in bold, instead of apologizing for implying that I said ALL of Doc Toothache's contributions are useless, you come on and wink at moderators to lock the thread........big man.
 
was that a secret code to the mods? no, i don't have that much (or any) influence, you're giving me too much credit here 😉

chill out man, you have this attitude that everyone's out to get you. no one's out to get you, so relax. keep a positive attitude and do the best you can when you apply. hopefully you'll get into either dental school or pharmacy school. good luck. and stop calling people j*rk offs 😛

you took it upon yourself to say this was going "in the wrong direction" go over and read I replied directly to most people about what they said in their replies, go and read that that is true. I think most people who do read this thread will be able to tell that you made pointless comments, didn't respond to how wrong you were about them, and are now signaling your desire to see it locked, who what were when doesn't play when the conversation is right in front of us buddy 😉

its easy to say "chill out" other than people wasting my time, I am an extremely chill guy, you think that because of peoples contributions, I should take what I perceive (as you say) as crap and like it...nope... sorry, not who I am.


I only referred to one individual by that name, and that is sooooo well suited 🙂
 
I called the ucsf post bac, the deadline is passed, but more importantly, they don't take many people, "A group of 10 applicants chosen from about 60-100 applicants", I'm not trying to be sooo negative, its reality, even with trying to get into a post bac that finally is tailored towards someone in my situation, if I don't get in? what do I do, I'm losing time, ucsf post bac is one of the VERY few that can help someone in my shoes out, if I was 23, 24 it wouldn't be as big a deal, but with ucsf post bac, I fall under their one and half year program category and that IF I get in, I'm about to turn 27 very soon so I just wanted some kind of safety net with the pharmacy route, I agree that if you want to be dentist then thats what you should focus on, but its sooo crappy that they ask you the question of whether or not you've applied to any other grad schools, there is a flip side to "don't lie on your application, nothing good will come of it" (which is true) I could also say IN THIS CASE nothing good could come out of telling the truth, in the sense that its just a way for the school to cross people out of the selection process more easily, which is all they will really do, even IF you get an interview with that situation, imagine how uncomfortable the question would be "I see here you applied to pharmacy school at the same time as you did to our dental school, care to explain that?" there is a bunch of bs answers they want to hear, but never the truth....God forbid you tell them the truth, that will get you kicked out of the room just as fast as any lie I assure you, the whole interview process is a lie IN A SENSE, so again, after reading what people have to say, and my original hunch that its a bad idea, I won't apply this cycle but down the line, if I am desperate enough, I simply won't care at that point.
You seem pretty worried about your age. I was too. The difference is I am 34 and starting dental school! Relax! We both have plenty of life ahead us!

As I mentioned before, call dental schools and ask what you can do to improve your application. Take upper level biology classes at your local commuter university. Sign up for Kaplan. Read more to help improve your RC scores. Apply to the post-bac program next year; you'll never know if you can get in if you don't try. There are plenty of things you can do to improve your application and DAT scores. You just need to be resourceful. Good luck!
 
You seem pretty worried about your age. I was too. The difference is I am 34 and starting dental school! Relax! We both have plenty of life ahead us!

As I mentioned before, call dental schools and ask what you can do to improve your application. Take upper level biology classes at your local commuter university. Sign up for Kaplan. Read more to help improve your RC scores. Apply to the post-bac program next year; you'll never know if you can get in if you don't try. There are plenty of things you can do to improve your application and DAT scores. You just need to be resourceful. Good luck!

Thanks, I know there are no guarantees in life, and that is whats bugging me, a friend with a low mcat score got into a program that is basically a 5 year med school program (as long as you perform well in the masters its practically guaranteed), others went to the Caribbean, and others went DO, the few that are available with dental school, I'm not eligible for, or there is few seats with a lot of people competing, I really hate not knowing the future, sounds funny to say, but what I mean is not having a set plan that I know will guarantee me a seat, I feel I have a lot to make up for and I don't want to waste any more time.
 
Kov82, why not consider Berry or one of the Nova post-bacc programs? I understand it's expensive but you can take out a loan. if the program will get you in a d-school, it's totally worth the $.
 
Kov82, why not consider Berry or one of the Nova post-bacc programs? I understand it's expensive but you can take out a loan. if the program will get you in a d-school, it's totally worth the $.

it absolutely is worth the money, I don't mind paying even $50,000 (tuition+ living expenses) I just want to KNOW that performing well in the program will get me a seat, and Barry doesn't have that, in fact, I've heard that a lot of people feel ripped off in that program, some do get in, but a lot DON'T KNOW, its not to say they wont get in later on, but for now they simply don't know, and if I spend 50k then I want to KNOW, its just what I've heard, I could be wrong, what I do know for sure..is that for this coming fall, there are 50 seats available and only 25 are taken so far, and class starts in august, doesn't sound like people are fighting to get in. I'm willing to do nova's post bac, but like I said, the problem is that they take anywhere between 4-20 people depending on the school, and there are not that many anyway, one school says 10 people, another said 7, ucla takes 5, usc takes 4, and they really do focus on your race for the California post bacs, I called Temple today and they refuse to say how many people they will take total ("its confidential") ...."is there a counselor I can speak to?"..."there are no counselors", "can I know how many predental students your taking?"..."again sir, thats confidential.....and I don't know" so there you have it, If you see HOW many routes premed students have its ridiculous, almost all the post bacs and even SMP's are really FOR them, theres all the MD schools to apply to then there is all the DO schools to apply to and then there is the Caribbean schools, so if your going to screw up you better hope your a premed student.
 
I understand your concern of wanting to be in a program that would 100% guarantee admission into dental school upon successful completion, but like you said, they are far and between. Doing a graduate program can be a risk b/c there is always the chance of not doing well and further putting you in a hole. However, it is a calculated risk that is well worth taking, and thousands of students just like you don't know exactly where the program will lead them.
 
it absolutely is worth the money, I don't mind paying even $50,000 (tuition+ living expenses) I just want to KNOW that performing well in the program will get me a seat, and Barry doesn't have that, in fact, I've heard that a lot of people feel ripped off in that program, some do get in, but a lot DON'T KNOW, its not to say they wont get in later on, but for now they simply don't know, and if I spend 50k then I want to KNOW, its just what I've heard, I could be wrong, what I do know for sure..is that for this coming fall, there are 50 seats available and only 25 are taken so far, and class starts in august, doesn't sound like people are fighting to get in. I'm willing to do nova's post bac, but like I said, the problem is that they take anywhere between 4-20 people depending on the school, and there are not that many anyway, one school says 10 people, another said 7, ucla takes 5, usc takes 4, and they really do focus on your race for the California post bacs, I called Temple today and they refuse to say how many people they will take total ("its confidential") ...."is there a counselor I can speak to?"..."there are no counselors", "can I know how many predental students your taking?"..."again sir, thats confidential.....and I don't know" so there you have it, If you see HOW many routes premed students have its ridiculous, almost all the post bacs and even SMP's are really FOR them, theres all the MD schools to apply to then there is all the DO schools to apply to and then there is the Caribbean schools, so if your going to screw up you better hope your a premed student.
I understand your concern and I agree with most of the stuff you said, being premed has WAY more options. I've seen tons of discussions about Barry and it seems that they have HIGHER than usual d-schools med-schools acceptance rate (~78% or was it a 90%?) upon graduation from the program. I've found the data from their website, is it not true?

Plan B: I've heard, a while back, a couple friends thinking about getting into one of d-schools in Philippines, tuition is dirt cheap ($10,000 for 4 yrs tuition, room and board, food and etc, don't quote me on that, just what I've heard). English will be taught in the classrooms. Acceptance rate is very high especially for foreigners. And then you can neither try to get in a specialty program or a program for foreign trained dentists in the U.S. This route seems to take forever but it works for a lot of foreign trained dentists I've known. What' do you think?


 
I understand your concern of wanting to be in a program that would 100% guarantee admission into dental school upon successful completion, but like you said, they are far and between. Doing a graduate program can be a risk b/c there is always the chance of not doing well and further putting you in a hole. However, it is a calculated risk that is well worth taking, and thousands of students just like you don't know exactly where the program will lead them.

Not knowing where the program will lead is a big problem for me to think about, mostly because of the expense of a masters program and that I have no interest in the degree for anything other than applying to dental school, I get what your saying, I know I'm not alone, I've just contacted soooo many places and I'm still not sure about exactly what I should do, I have an idea now, but I know its going to be a long narrow road ahead.
 
I understand your concern and I agree with most of the stuff you said, being premed has WAY more options. I've seen tons of discussions about Barry and it seems that they have HIGHER than usual d-schools med-schools acceptance rate (~78% or was it a 90%?) upon graduation from the program. I've found the data from their website, is it not true?

Plan B: I've heard, a while back, a couple friends thinking about getting into one of d-schools in Philippines, tuition is dirt cheap ($10,000 for 4 yrs tuition, room and board, food and etc, don't quote me on that, just what I've heard). English will be taught in the classrooms. Acceptance rate is very high especially for foreigners. And then you can neither try to get in a specialty program or a program for foreign trained dentists in the U.S. This route seems to take forever but it works for a lot of foreign trained dentists I've known. What' do you think?



the Philippines is a little out there for me, I see Puerto Rico has a school and thats something to consider, but I think you have to speak Spanish, I know that instead of one semester they want 2 semesters of Spanish credits. And as far as Barry goes...I think there are people in the program now that are angry, again I can't say that for sure since there were around 40 people in the class so I don't have everyone's opinion, all I know is that there is no official linkage, and that Nova likes people from that program, but even then, I hear a lot of students aren't happy, they feel swindled, and the fact that they are having trouble filling seats for fall is a concern too...the program is $50K (w/living expenses), give me some kind of linkage based on performance and I'm on the first flight....
 
Maybe this will help answer your question. A graduate school (or grad school) is a school that awards advanced academic degrees, such as doctoral degrees with the general requirement that students must have earned a previous undergraduate (bachelor's) degree. Many universities award graduate degrees; a graduate school is not necessarily a separate institution.Producing original research is often a significant component of graduate studies, including the writing and defense of a thesis or dissertation. The term "graduate school" is primarily North American. Additionally, in North America, the term does not usually refer to medical school (whose students are called "medical students"), and only occasionally refers to law school or business school. (The latter types of programs are often collectively termed professional schools).Those attending graduate schools are called graduate students, or in British English postgraduate students, or, colloquially, postgrads. Degrees awarded to graduate students include master's degrees, doctoral degrees, and other postgraduate qualifications such as graduate certificates and professional degrees.Although graduate school programs are distinct experiences from undergraduate degree programs, graduate instruction (in Australia, the United States, and other countries) is often offered by some of the same senior academic staff and departments that teach undergraduate courses. Unlike in undergraduate programs, however, it is rare for graduate students to take coursework outside their specific field of study at graduate or graduate entry level. At the Ph.D. level, though, it is quite common to take courses from a wider range of study, for which some fixed portion of coursework, sometimes known as a residency, is typically required to be taken from outside the department and college of the degree-seeking candidate, to broaden the research abilities of the student. Some institutions designate separate graduate versus undergraduate staff and denote other divisions (often called School of X, e.g., diplomacy). While most graduate programs will have a similar list of general admission requirements, the importance placed on each type of requirement can vary drastically between graduate schools, departments within schools, and even programs within departments. The best way to determine how a graduate program will weigh admission materials is to ask the person in charge of graduate admissions at the particular program being applied to - such persons are often happy to discuss the department's admission process.Admission to graduate school usually requires a bachelor's degree. High grades in one's field of study are important — grades outside the field less so. The Graduate Record Examination standardized test is required by almost all graduate schools, while other additional standardized tests (such as the Graduate Management Admission Test (GMAT), Medical College Admission Test (MCAT),Pharmacy School (PCAT), Dental Admission Test (DAT), Graduate Record Examination (GRE) Subject Tests, Law School Admission Test (LSAT)) scores may be required by some institutions or programs[1][2]. In addition, good letters of recommendation from undergraduate instructors are often essential[3], as strong recommendation letters from mentors or supervisors of undergraduate research experience provide evidence that the applicant can perform research and can handle the rigors of a graduate school education.Within the sciences and some social sciences, previous research experience may be importantwithin most humanities disciplines, an example of academic writing normally suffices. Many universities require a personal statement (sometimes called Statement of Purpose or Letter of Intent), which may include indications of the intended area of research; how detailed this statement is or whether it is possible to change one's focus of research depends strongly on the discipline and department to which the student is applying.In some disciplines or universities, graduate applicants may find it best to have at least one recommendation from research work outside of the college where they earned their Bachelor's degree however, as with previous research experience, this may not be very important in most humanities disciplines.Some schools set minimum GPAs and test scores below which they will not accept any applicants; this reduces the time spent reviewing applications. On the other hand, many other institutions often explicitly state that they do not use any sort of cut-offs in terms of GPA or the GRE scores. Instead, they claim to consider many factors, including past research achievements, the compatibility between the applicant's research interest and that of the faculty, the statement of purpose and the letters of reference, as stated above. Some programs also require professors to act as sponsors. Finally, applicants from non-English speaking countries often must take the Test of English as a Foreign Language (TOEFL).At most institutions, decisions regarding admission are not made by the institution itself but the department to which the student is applying. Some departments may require interviews before making the decision to accept an applicant. In some cases, master's programs allow successful students to continue toward the doctorate degree. Additionally, doctoral students who have advanced to candidacy but not filed a dissertation ("ABD," for "all but dissertation") often receive master's degrees and an additional master's called a Master of Philosophy, or MPhil, or C.Phil. "Candidate in Philosophy" degree. The master's component of a doctorate program often requires one or two years, and some students, because doctoral programs are better-funded, apply for doctoral programs while only intending to attain a master's degree.[citation needed] This is generally not accepted and, if a student's advisor learns of the student's plans, can result in early termination.Many graduate programs require students to pass one or several examinations in order to demonstrate their competence as scholars. [1] In some departments, a comprehensive examination is often required in the first year of doctoral study, and is designed to test a student's background undergraduate-level knowledge. Examinations of this type are more common in the sciences and some social sciences, and relatively unknown in most humanities disciplines.Most graduate students perform teaching duties, often serving as graders and tutors. In some departments, they can be promoted to Lecturer status, a position that comes with more responsibility.Doctoral students generally spend roughly their first two to three years taking coursework, and begin research by their second year if not before. Many master's and all specialist students will perform research culminating in a paper, presentation, and defense of their research. This is called the master's thesis (or, for Educational Specialist students, the specialist paper). However, many US master's degree programs do not require a master's thesis, focusing instead primarily on course work or on "practicals" or "workshops". Such "real-world" experience may typically require a candidate work on a project alone or in a team as a consultant, or consultants, for an outside entity approved or selected by the academic institution, and under faculty supervision.In the second and third years of study, doctoral programs often require students to pass more examinations. [1] Programs often require a Qualifying Examination ("Quals"), a PhD Candidacy Examination ("Candidacy"), or a General Examination ("Generals"), designed to ensure students have a grasp of a broad sample of their discipline, and/or one or several Special Field Examinations ("Specials"), which test students in their narrower selected areas of specialty within the discipline. If these examinations are held orally, they may be known colloquially as "orals". For some social science and many humanities disciplines, where graduate students may or may not have studied the discipline at the undergraduate level, these exams will be the first set, and be based either on graduate coursework or specific preparatory reading (sometimes up to a year's work in reading).In all cases, comprehensive exams are normally both stressful and time consuming, and must be passed to be allowed to proceed on to the thesis. Passing such examinations allows the student to stay, begin doctoral research, and rise to the status of a doctoral candidate, while failing usually results in the student leaving the program or re-taking the test after some time has passed (usually a semester or a year). Some schools have an intermediate category, passing at the master's level, which allows the student to leave with a master's without having completed a master's thesis.For the next several years the doctoral candidate primarily performs his or her research. Usually this lasts three to eight years, though a few finish more quickly and some take substantially longer. In total, the typical doctoral degree takes between 4 and 8 years from entering the program to completion, though this time varies depending upon the department, thesis topic, and many other factors. For example, astronomy degrees take five to six years on average, but observational astronomy degrees take six to seven due to limiting factors of weather, while theoretical astronomy degrees take five.Though there is substantial variation among universities, departments, and individuals, humanities and social science doctorates on average take somewhat longer to complete than natural science doctorates. These differences are due to the differing nature of research between the humanities and some social sciences and the natural sciences, and to the differing expectations of the discipline in coursework, languages and length of thesis. However, time required to complete a doctorate also varies according to the candidate's abilities and choice of research. Some students may also choose to remain in a program if they fail to win an academic position, particularly in disciplines with a tight job market; by remaining a student, they can retain access to libraries and university facilities, while also retaining an academic affiliation, which can be essential for conferences and job-searches.Traditionally, doctoral programs were only intended to last three to four years and, in some disciplines (primarily the natural sciences), with a helpful advisor, and a light teaching load, it is possible for the degree to be completed in that amount of time. However, increasingly many disciplines, including most humanities, set their requirements for coursework, languages and the expected extent of thesis research by the assumption that students will take five years minimum or six to seven years on average; competition for jobs within these fields also raises expectations on the length and quality of theses considerably.In some disciplines, doctoral programs can average seven to ten years. Archaeology, which requires long periods of research, tends towards the longer end of this spectrum. The increase in length of degree is a matter of great concern for both students and universities, though there is much disagreement on potential solutions to this problem.
Foreign graduate students outnumber US-born students in some departments, primarily in the natural sciences, and engineering
 
Wow Aldeswari...that's quite a bit of info there.

I was looking at it for a couple minutes trying to see if there was an optical illusion in there somewhere. Haha.
 
Wow Aldeswari...that's quite a bit of info there.

I was looking at it for a couple minutes trying to see if there was an optical illusion in there somewhere. Haha.
:laugh: Yup, paragraphs are a writer's friend! 🙂
 
Maybe this will help answer your question. A graduate school (or grad school) is a school that awards advanced academic degrees, such as doctoral degrees with the general requirement that students must have earned a previous undergraduate (bachelor's) degree. Many universities award graduate degrees; a graduate school is not necessarily a separate institution.Producing original research is often a significant component of graduate studies, including the writing and defense of a thesis or dissertation. The term "graduate school" is primarily North American. Additionally, in North America, the term does not usually refer to medical school (whose students are called "medical students"), and only occasionally refers to law school or business school. (The latter types of programs are often collectively termed professional schools).Those attending graduate schools are called graduate students, or in British English postgraduate students, or, colloquially, postgrads. Degrees awarded to graduate students include master's degrees, doctoral degrees, and other postgraduate qualifications such as graduate certificates and professional degrees.Although graduate school programs are distinct experiences from undergraduate degree programs, graduate instruction (in Australia, the United States, and other countries) is often offered by some of the same senior academic staff and departments that teach undergraduate courses. Unlike in undergraduate programs, however, it is rare for graduate students to take coursework outside their specific field of study at graduate or graduate entry level. At the Ph.D. level, though, it is quite common to take courses from a wider range of study, for which some fixed portion of coursework, sometimes known as a residency, is typically required to be taken from outside the department and college of the degree-seeking candidate, to broaden the research abilities of the student. Some institutions designate separate graduate versus undergraduate staff and denote other divisions (often called School of X, e.g., diplomacy). While most graduate programs will have a similar list of general admission requirements, the importance placed on each type of requirement can vary drastically between graduate schools, departments within schools, and even programs within departments. The best way to determine how a graduate program will weigh admission materials is to ask the person in charge of graduate admissions at the particular program being applied to - such persons are often happy to discuss the department's admission process.Admission to graduate school usually requires a bachelor's degree. High grades in one's field of study are important — grades outside the field less so. The Graduate Record Examination standardized test is required by almost all graduate schools, while other additional standardized tests (such as the Graduate Management Admission Test (GMAT), Medical College Admission Test (MCAT),Pharmacy School (PCAT), Dental Admission Test (DAT), Graduate Record Examination (GRE) Subject Tests, Law School Admission Test (LSAT)) scores may be required by some institutions or programs[1][2]. In addition, good letters of recommendation from undergraduate instructors are often essential[3], as strong recommendation letters from mentors or supervisors of undergraduate research experience provide evidence that the applicant can perform research and can handle the rigors of a graduate school education.Within the sciences and some social sciences, previous research experience may be importantwithin most humanities disciplines, an example of academic writing normally suffices. Many universities require a personal statement (sometimes called Statement of Purpose or Letter of Intent), which may include indications of the intended area of research; how detailed this statement is or whether it is possible to change one's focus of research depends strongly on the discipline and department to which the student is applying.In some disciplines or universities, graduate applicants may find it best to have at least one recommendation from research work outside of the college where they earned their Bachelor's degree however, as with previous research experience, this may not be very important in most humanities disciplines.Some schools set minimum GPAs and test scores below which they will not accept any applicants; this reduces the time spent reviewing applications. On the other hand, many other institutions often explicitly state that they do not use any sort of cut-offs in terms of GPA or the GRE scores. Instead, they claim to consider many factors, including past research achievements, the compatibility between the applicant's research interest and that of the faculty, the statement of purpose and the letters of reference, as stated above. Some programs also require professors to act as sponsors. Finally, applicants from non-English speaking countries often must take the Test of English as a Foreign Language (TOEFL).At most institutions, decisions regarding admission are not made by the institution itself but the department to which the student is applying. Some departments may require interviews before making the decision to accept an applicant. In some cases, master's programs allow successful students to continue toward the doctorate degree. Additionally, doctoral students who have advanced to candidacy but not filed a dissertation ("ABD," for "all but dissertation") often receive master's degrees and an additional master's called a Master of Philosophy, or MPhil, or C.Phil. "Candidate in Philosophy" degree. The master's component of a doctorate program often requires one or two years, and some students, because doctoral programs are better-funded, apply for doctoral programs while only intending to attain a master's degree.[citation needed] This is generally not accepted and, if a student's advisor learns of the student's plans, can result in early termination.Many graduate programs require students to pass one or several examinations in order to demonstrate their competence as scholars. [1] In some departments, a comprehensive examination is often required in the first year of doctoral study, and is designed to test a student's background undergraduate-level knowledge. Examinations of this type are more common in the sciences and some social sciences, and relatively unknown in most humanities disciplines.Most graduate students perform teaching duties, often serving as graders and tutors. In some departments, they can be promoted to Lecturer status, a position that comes with more responsibility.Doctoral students generally spend roughly their first two to three years taking coursework, and begin research by their second year if not before. Many master's and all specialist students will perform research culminating in a paper, presentation, and defense of their research. This is called the master's thesis (or, for Educational Specialist students, the specialist paper). However, many US master's degree programs do not require a master's thesis, focusing instead primarily on course work or on "practicals" or "workshops". Such "real-world" experience may typically require a candidate work on a project alone or in a team as a consultant, or consultants, for an outside entity approved or selected by the academic institution, and under faculty supervision.In the second and third years of study, doctoral programs often require students to pass more examinations. [1] Programs often require a Qualifying Examination ("Quals"), a PhD Candidacy Examination ("Candidacy"), or a General Examination ("Generals"), designed to ensure students have a grasp of a broad sample of their discipline, and/or one or several Special Field Examinations ("Specials"), which test students in their narrower selected areas of specialty within the discipline. If these examinations are held orally, they may be known colloquially as "orals". For some social science and many humanities disciplines, where graduate students may or may not have studied the discipline at the undergraduate level, these exams will be the first set, and be based either on graduate coursework or specific preparatory reading (sometimes up to a year's work in reading).In all cases, comprehensive exams are normally both stressful and time consuming, and must be passed to be allowed to proceed on to the thesis. Passing such examinations allows the student to stay, begin doctoral research, and rise to the status of a doctoral candidate, while failing usually results in the student leaving the program or re-taking the test after some time has passed (usually a semester or a year). Some schools have an intermediate category, passing at the master's level, which allows the student to leave with a master's without having completed a master's thesis.For the next several years the doctoral candidate primarily performs his or her research. Usually this lasts three to eight years, though a few finish more quickly and some take substantially longer. In total, the typical doctoral degree takes between 4 and 8 years from entering the program to completion, though this time varies depending upon the department, thesis topic, and many other factors. For example, astronomy degrees take five to six years on average, but observational astronomy degrees take six to seven due to limiting factors of weather, while theoretical astronomy degrees take five.Though there is substantial variation among universities, departments, and individuals, humanities and social science doctorates on average take somewhat longer to complete than natural science doctorates. These differences are due to the differing nature of research between the humanities and some social sciences and the natural sciences, and to the differing expectations of the discipline in coursework, languages and length of thesis. However, time required to complete a doctorate also varies according to the candidate's abilities and choice of research. Some students may also choose to remain in a program if they fail to win an academic position, particularly in disciplines with a tight job market; by remaining a student, they can retain access to libraries and university facilities, while also retaining an academic affiliation, which can be essential for conferences and job-searches.Traditionally, doctoral programs were only intended to last three to four years and, in some disciplines (primarily the natural sciences), with a helpful advisor, and a light teaching load, it is possible for the degree to be completed in that amount of time. However, increasingly many disciplines, including most humanities, set their requirements for coursework, languages and the expected extent of thesis research by the assumption that students will take five years minimum or six to seven years on average; competition for jobs within these fields also raises expectations on the length and quality of theses considerably.In some disciplines, doctoral programs can average seven to ten years. Archaeology, which requires long periods of research, tends towards the longer end of this spectrum. The increase in length of degree is a matter of great concern for both students and universities, though there is much disagreement on potential solutions to this problem.
Foreign graduate students outnumber US-born students in some departments, primarily in the natural sciences, and engineering
What's your purpose of the lengthy cut-n-paste info? Why not just the URL instead?
 
Please don't give me any crap about the content of this answer. You're probably screwed as far as dental school goes if you apply to both. A good way of improving your chances would be to get rid of that pessimistic and pompous attitude of yours. Also, your original post included a bunch of useless crap so it makes me wonder if u did the same on your personal statement. Work on that and who knows, you might actually get an interview in the next few years.
 
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