grief

[Transformers]

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Please help me break these terms down diagnostically/buzzwords...I can never keep these straight

Normal grief

Pathologic grief

MDD in the context of grief

Persistent complex bereavement disorder

Complicated grief/Abnormal bereavement

Thanks.

 

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[Apoplexy__]

You probably don't need to know this for Step 1. If they ask it, which is unlikely, it'll be pretty obvious.

Pathologic grief = Complicated grief/Abnormal bereavement = Persistent complex bereavement disorder (the new DSM-V name)

That narrows it down to really 3 entities in your original post. I've highlighted the differences below:
-Normal grief vs. MDD: Differentiated by severity of symptoms. This is the tough one.

• A patient who is psychotic or suicidal is likely to have MDD no matter how quick after the inciting event occurs, even though both can less commonly occur in grief.
  
• Also, if they meet 5 of the SIGECAPS requirements for depression, then you can also diagnose MDD. However the USMLE will never make you actually count 5 symptoms...they'll give you a big list of symptoms to show that a person is really suffering -- "patient has lost 20 pounds, hasn't gone outside in a week, etc.".

• If a focus on the loss exists in the person's sadness, it's more likely to be grief. If they feel worthless and want to die without specifically stating it's because of the inciting event, it's more likely to be MDD.

-Normal grief vs. pathologic grief: Differentiated by length of symptoms. If it's going on for >12 months, it's pathological grief. That's it.

Again, they won't get into this on Step 1, but Step 2 definitely gets into this stuff.

 

[Transformers]

Thanks man!

For the Pathologic grief = Complicated grief/Abnormal bereavement = Persistent complex bereavement disorder diagnosis..is the cutoff of 1 year essential for diagnosis??

 

[Apoplexy__]

Thanks man!

For the Pathologic grief = Complicated grief/Abnormal bereavement = Persistent complex bereavement disorder diagnosis..is the cutoff of 1 year essential for diagnosis??

Yeah, the DSM-V explicitly states <12 mo is grief, and >12 mo is pathological grief. As a caveat that will never be tested for all eternity, the cutoff is reduced to >6 mo in pediatric patients.