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No,

Group project is the perfect opportunity to identify who'll be the leader and who'll be the worker bees. The leader will delegate the worker bees to complete the project. Then the leader will most likely present the project and get the credit for it all... but the good leader will thank the worker bees and give credit to them while holding the Oscar trophy..in the end, people don't really give a ratz ass about those worker bees but look to the leader with an admiration.

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StaviZFingerZ said:
No,

Group project is the perfect opportunity to identify who'll be the leader and who'll be the worker bees. The leader will delegate the worker bees to complete the project. Then the leader will most likely present the project and get the credit for it all... but the good leader will thank the worker bees and give credit to them while holding the Oscar trophy..in the end, people don't really give a ratz ass about those worker bees but look to the leader with an admiration.

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i agree

plus as a leader, the group does things your way.... and thats something I prefer.
 
I think group projects were invented to cause everyone a load of misery. Why? Because there is usually no reason to turn something into a group project other than to get more busy work accomplished.


I'm usually the leader with group projects, because no one else wants to step up to the plate. I don't mind being the leader, but heaven forbid if I have to get mean or something and take all of the fun out of it. 🙄
I don't delegate everything out, because I understand that I have to have a part, too, but I never get a low grade on group projects, because I'll be ****** if I put a lot of work into the project and someone else messes it all up due to laziness.

Sometimes another person will stick their neck out there and take charge, but usually that person has motives that force them to do lead, like: is OCD about getting things done early, going out of town whenever the project is due, or refuses to let the project evolve naturally.
 
PharmDstudent said:
I think group projects were invented to cause everyone a load of misery. Why? Because there is usually no reason to turn something into a group project other than to get more busy work accomplished.
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I disagree... There is more to school then just learning the facts, there is more to school then doing little assignments, if you cant learn to work with others; especially with those who you normallly wouldn't work with, your education would be left incomplete.
 
Quiksilver said:
I disagree... There is more to school then just learning the facts, there is more to school then doing little assignments, if you cant learn to work with others; especially with those who you normallly wouldn't work with, your education would be left incomplete.
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Ok. Tell me why a group project is preferred over other forms of work. That is, what does a group project accomplish that one can not learn out in the real world at their job, where they volunteer, or where they donate their time to the community?


My point is that group projects are inherently frivolous, because there is little to no "greater good" accomplished with an assigned group project. Basically, the group will only accomplish what is assigned, because there is no reason to push beyond what is expected since it doesn't involve getting a grade.
 
the alpha-dog concept aside, group projects are dumb and a waste of time. Teamwork? Please!

The person that professes the greater knowledge on the subject matter usually assumes the leadership position (thats me usually, but not always😎). Kinda goes without saying.

On the flip side of things, sometimes I like to kick back, do my fair share and let these self appointed leaders "run" things such as putting the whole project together, figure out meeting times, decide on fonts, color of the presetation etc

Never before have I met so many type A types in my life.

In any given group, random or otherwise, there is two or three people trying to do everything and prove that they know everything. Just sit back and tap on all that talent:idea:.
 
I hate group projects. I'm just so sick of it. They think we don't have enough to do already that they must add all these projects that are just busy work.
 
PharmDstudent said:
Ok. Tell me why a group project is preferred over other forms of work. That is, what does a group project accomplish that one can not learn out in the real world at their job, where they volunteer, or where they donate their time to the community?


My point is that group projects are inherently frivolous, because there is little to no "greater good" accomplished with an assigned group project. Basically, the group will only accomplish what is assigned, because there is no reason to push beyond what is expected since it doesn't involve getting a grade.
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I am pretty sure that rounding on the floors may be considered "group work." You work with people you may not really know at first. Group work is stuff that is usually applicable to everyday life. Most group projects in pharmacy school revolve around either a patient case or a paper. Both of these types of group projects are seen at my job as an intern in either a journal club or various other projects around the hospital. I see a lot of use of doing this. It is far easier to pool ideas and learn from each other then doing it alone.

Certainly your school does counseling exercises and you do take a law course. Technically, you could learn these on the job too through experience (and hey, maybe you did take stuff away from an experience like that) but they still teach it. practice makes perfect. You need to learn to work with people to solve a greater good.

You logic about groups being frivolous is inherently flawed; people do not study beyond what is on the test and only study for the grade. No different then your description of a group project. The difference between group work and tests is that there seems be a lot more tests. Perhaps having more group work would change your opinion.

I took gen chem and orgo in a class that was essentially group work for an entire semester where our "projects" were to teach each other the concepts and problems of these classes. Oh, and their program boasts 100% placement rating into med school, dental, pharmacy school for many years in a row.
 
Quiksilver said:
I am pretty sure that rounding on the floors may be considered "group work." You work with people you may not really know at first. Group work is stuff that is usually applicable to everyday life. Most group projects in pharmacy school revolve around either a patient case or a paper. Both of these types of group projects are seen at my job as an intern in either a journal club or various other projects around the hospital. I see a lot of use of doing this. It is far easier to pool ideas and learn from each other then doing it alone.

Certainly your school does counseling exercises and you do take a law course. Technically, you could learn these on the job too through experience (and hey, maybe you did take stuff away from an experience like that) but they still teach it. practice makes perfect. You need to learn to work with people to solve a greater good.

You logic about groups being frivolous is inherently flawed; people do not study beyond what is on the test and only study for the grade. No different then your description of a group project. The difference between group work and tests is that there seems be a lot more tests. Perhaps having more group work would change your opinion.
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We did a lot of ppt group projects, and since ppt sucks to begin with, it makes my distaste for them that much worse.


Perhaps you have solid group assignments, at your school, that actually enrich your studies and knowledge base. :idea:
Quiksilver said:
You[r] logic about groups being frivolous is inherently flawed; people do not study beyond what is on the test and only study for the grade. No different then your description of a group project.
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Do really think that's true? I completely disagree.
Take WVU for example...
 
PharmDstudent said:
Do really think that's true? I completely disagree.
Take WVU for example...
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I do think that people only just study enough for tests. When a prof starts covering stuff that won't be on the test, my attention to that material goes straight out the window. Its not the right thing to do, you are supposed to learn what you can, but who doesn't do what I do? I think that you'll have a hard time finding people who go above and beyod to study that stuff as well. Theoretically grades are not supposed to be important, but they are. People worry about fellowships, residencies, or just staying in school.
 
PharmDstudent said:
I think group projects were invented to cause everyone a load of misery. Why? Because there is usually no reason to turn something into a group project other than to get more busy work accomplished.


I'm usually the leader with group projects, because no one else wants to step up to the plate. I don't mind being the leader, but heaven forbid if I have to get mean or something and take all of the fun out of it. 🙄
I don't delegate everything out, because I understand that I have to have a part, too, but I never get a low grade on group projects, because I'll be ****** if I put a lot of work into the project and someone else messes it all up due to laziness.

Sometimes another person will stick their neck out there and take charge, but usually that person has motives that force them to do lead, like: is OCD about getting things done early, going out of town whenever the project is due, or refuses to let the project evolve naturally.
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2nded.

I understand the concept of group work. Having worked in corporate for a long time, I know team work is important.

But the problem with group work in school: no power structure was given. You do not have any real power over anyone and you don't get to pick/hire team members.

I usually end up leading the team just because most people just don't want to go above and beyond, and don't want to do the extra work of organizing. Most will do the part they are assigned but there are almost always one or two who just don't give a crap or leaches off the grades of others. Those are the ones that drives me nuts. I want to fire their ass but you can't.

This is an example of a good concept that's poorly executed. What school group work need is to empower the group leader, which simulate real world more closely.
 
Team work does suck because there will always be one or maybe two people who aren't pulling their fair share which makes more work for everybody else. For the amount of work I do in a team, I might as well do the project by myself. LOL
 
I had four group projects this year. They all sucked due to the reasons given above. There were people in my last group who would inevitably end up fighting about petty details. I just wanted to get the projects done, and listening to people fight about the most ridiculous aspects of the project was worthless, IMO.
 
The problem I have with group projects is that, basically, some classes I care about, others I don't really give a crap about.

So while I will pull a 300% effort for the Therapeutics project, I am aiming for a C in the Epidemiology/Biostats project. For example, I took control of a project and then I had someone texting me every few minutes until submission deadline that the font was wrong, or the margins were off, or I used incorrect grammar. Seriously, it's a critique of a research paper, I really don't care if I get a 85 or a 95 on it, I'm more concerned about the finals for pathology and therapeutics coming up.
 
Many projects in pharmacy practice in your future will require group effort. And every one of those project will have a group leader. Whether you like your current school project or not despite the reasons given, the reason schools use this format of teaching is to provide you with a glimpse of what really happens in pharmacy practice.

From what I read here is that the lack of structure, disorganization, and disproportionate share of work being performed by each member of the group to be the common complaints.

Then there are groups who work well together and produce superior work.

And this isn't any different than what happens in real world.

Smooth operation regardless if it's retail, research, clinical, or consulting requires well structured group effort with a strong leadership.

There always will be disgruntled members in school project and real world project. But the goal of the leader is to overcome the negativity and reach the common goal set by the group. And most importantly, the leader will delegate work fairly and assign accountability to each member of the group.

Again, well led group will operate smoothly..and during school projects is when you'll see leaders emerge or one will realize that the leadership is what they want to pursue. Not the self appointed leader but the leader chosen by the group.
 
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StaviZFingerZ said:
Many projects in pharmacy practice in your future will require group effort. And every one of those project will have a group leader. Whether you like your current school project or not despite the reasons given, the reason schools use this format of teaching is to provide you with a glimpse of what really happens in pharmacy practice.

From what I read here is that the lack of structure, disorganization, and disproportionate share of work being performed by each member of the group to be the common complaints.

Then there are groups who work well together and produce superior work.

And this isn't any different than what happens in real world.

Smooth operation regardless if it's retail, research, clinical, or consulting requires well structured group effort with a strong leadership.

There always will be disgruntled members in school project and real world project. But the goal of the leader is to overcome the negativity and reach the common goal set by the group. And most importantly, the leader will delegate work fairly and assign accountability to each member of the group.

Again, well led group will operate smoothly..and during school projects is when you'll see leaders emerge or one will realize that the leadership is what they want to pursue. Not the self appointed leader but the leader chosen by the group.
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What is this??? Sounds plagiarized to me. And straight from a book that Zyvox dude was supposed to have coming out... :meanie:
 
SpirivaSunrise said:
What is this??? Sounds plagiarized to me. And straight from a book that Zyvox dude was supposed to have coming out... :meanie:
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I heard a rumor that the Zyvox dude retired and is now a driving range pro harrassing and groping young women while pretending to give lessons.

He's my hero.
 
SpirivaSunrise said:
Well, now we know what you'll be saving up your lunch quarters for...
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I will settle for her autograph on my guitar..then have her play Recuerdos de la Alhambra with my guitar...

Then I would encase the guitar in a glass cabinet..and never touch it again. She plays Alhambra like no one else.
 
and to think wussy Mountain dood only gives us credit for jacking the thread with photography... I'd think our topics are more diverse than that.
 
Eh, I want to give the ideal answer that interviewers want to hear, that I love teamwork and it's wonderful that there are many brains to think and do a great job, etc. But in truth, teamwork in the college setting (or any educational setting) is a dice roll. If you get good teammates who wants the same goal (of a good grade), then yeah it's great. If not, you end up having people who won't do their workload and those that care more will have to pull more of the workload, and someone will always pop up and say they did more work than someone else. It's just not pretty.
 
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