GSW to head xray

[wamcp]

Possible GSW by 5.56 round to child's head xray. Does this film 'make sense', or could it be 'faked'/photoshopped/AI generated etc.

I see subq hematoma/skull fracture frontally and child is intubated...but does that really make sense with a depicted bullet entry wound/trajectory, and especially if intentionally shot directly at the head by a 5.56 caliber?

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[Clean7795]

What is this for

 

[CopaceticOne]

I've seen a LOT of plain films, including projectile/missiles to the cranium. I've never see one looking like this.

The "shadow" around the supposed radiopaque object is not something that occurs.. because physics. Also, the pixelated stepped borders of that object do not match the resolution of the rest of the image.

 

[Crabbygas]

I am going to say fake for a variety of reasons. Starting with the size of the projectile does not appear to be anywhere near 5mm in relation to other objects in the image.

 

[wamcp]

I've seen a LOT of plain films, including projectile/missiles to the cranium. I've never see one looking like this.

The "shadow" around the supposed radiopaque object is not something that occurs.. because physics. Also, the pixelated stepped borders of that object do not match the resolution of the rest of the image.

So i saw it from this thread, and the scout film xray ultimately came from a NYT journalist:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Radiology/s/MzpW6QNKh7

Most commenters in that thread do agree that this is likely faked for propaganda purposes in a middle eastern conflict.

5.56 caliber intentionally shot at a child’s head should obliterate the skull very obviously and with an exit wound:

This is what 5.56 should do to any human skull:

 

[CopaceticOne]

Honestly, I don't care what a bunch of reddit commenters say. Always look at images yourself.

 

[RemyMcswain]

NYtimes published a statement that they had independent physicians re-review the images.

I’m personally not sure what to think here. At first glance the images look completely bogus. Can a radiologist offer an opinion as to how these may be real images? With the exception of the NYtimes comment, the majority of physician/specialists online seem to think these are fake.

 

[maxxor]

NYtimes published a statement that they had independent physicians re-review the images.

I’m personally not sure what to think here. At first glance the images look completely bogus. Can a radiologist offer an opinion as to how these may be real images? With the exception of the NYtimes comment, the majority of physician/specialists online seem to think these are fake.

Look fake to me. I read for a level 1.

 

[RemyMcswain]

Look fake to me. I read for a level 1

I mean they showed sinwar after a sniper shot and there is no way that this scout film is the same mechanism of injury as sinwars. Confused how a radiologist reviewed this and said it was accurate

 

[maxxor]

I mean they showed sinwar after a sniper shot and there is no way that this scout film is the same mechanism of injury as sinwars. Confused how a radiologist reviewed this and said it was accurate

Did they say it was a radiologist?

Not a subscriber so I can't see their articles.

 

[Cognovi]

This is a cell phone picture of a low resolution monitor that has a lavender hue and pen markings that is displaying a scout/topogram image from a CT scan and not a radiograph. The CT scout creates this artifactual dark outline around metallic objects and looks pixellated. There's an entry wound in the anterior cranium visible. The bullet is intact due to full metal jacketing seen in rifle bullets used in places outside of the US. There are examples of AK47 bullets lodging in victims without deforming published in papers, radiopaedia, etc. Lower energy mechanisms (eg, gun shot up into the air and this hits on the way down) can be responsible. No reason to say fake here. They should just correct it to say it's not an xray.

Someone prove me wrong and give an example of a CT scout with a metal thing that doesn't look like this.

 

[maxxor]

Did you read the nytimes article?

They present all these anecdotes / quotes of “children shot by high velocity arms”

You are purporting an injury that does not support what the article claims to show. Which is fine

But if someone claims a CT scout image shows children hit by sniper rounds, I don’t think off angle AK47 is what they are talking about.

 

[Cognovi]

Yes I read the nytimes article.

Did you know your academic institution provides free access to the nytimes?

 

[SeisK]

I’m going to agree, I don’t think it’s feasible to entirely exclude this being a real image.

 

[RemyMcswain]

This is a cell phone picture of a low resolution monitor that has a lavender hue and pen markings that is displaying a scout/topogram image from a CT scan and not a radiograph. The CT scout creates this artifactual dark outline around metallic objects and looks pixellated. There's an entry wound in the anterior cranium visible. The bullet is intact due to full metal jacketing seen in rifle bullets used in places outside of the US. There are examples of AK47 bullets lodging in victims without deforming published in papers, radiopaedia, etc. Lower energy mechanisms (eg, gun shot up into the air and this hits on the way down) can be responsible. No reason to say fake here. They should just correct it to say it's not an xray.

Someone prove me wrong and give an example of a CT scout with a metal thing that doesn't look like this.

You say published papers of AK47 bullets not deforming. Does that imply it’s a rare event? When I worked in a hospital with trauma, a GSW to the head was a rare event. I have minimal experience reviewing these cases

Is that cranial deformity consistent with a gsw? Does the location of the bullet agreed with the location of the wound?

There are many physicians on twitter who are adamant that these images do not fit the implied narrative; that IDF snipers were shooting children in Gaza with intent. I see what you’re saying about a stray bullet or a bullet shot in the air. I think it was irresponsible of the NYtimes to publish the editorial as they did.

 

[NITRAS]

You say published papers of AK47 bullets not deforming. Does that imply it’s a rare event? When I worked in a hospital with trauma, a GSW to the head was a rare event. I have minimal experience reviewing these cases

Is that cranial deformity consistent with a gsw? Does the location of the bullet agreed with the location of the wound?

There are many physicians on twitter who are adamant that these images do not fit the implied narrative; that IDF snipers were shooting children in Gaza with intent. I see what you’re saying about a stray bullet or a bullet shot in the air. I think it was irresponsible of the NYtimes to publish the editorial as they did.

7.62x39 is around a thousand feet per second slower at the muzzle. They also tend to be made of steel than copper. Way less likely to deform, especially at range.

 

[SeisK]

Jesus Christ who cares.