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pip00 said:
so i take it that most people that enter dental school with aspirations to become OMFS drop the idea before finishing dental school? I guess same as most students enter medschool planning to be general surgeons or heart surgeons.
I think this is true. The first week of dental school half the class wanted to go into ortho. After 4 years, 6 people applied and 3 got in. Being a gunner is an endurance race. You have to keep charging ahead and simply wait for everyone else to tire out. This is harder than it sounds.
 
I don't know if I have that kind of endurance....I've found myself lately just wanting to be done with it all. Who knows what I'll wind up doing. I've just decided to be happy with whatever comes my way.
 
pip00 said:
If i go to columbia(i dont mention my dream school-Harvard, because that is not very realistic), i will be taking the same courses as columbia med students. So it wont be as hellish as going to some 3rd tier medschool.
Why Harvard? You obviously haven't heard the clinical reputation of the students they put out.


pip00 said:
Oh, and another thing. If i go to a 3rd tier medschool, i'll have trouble ever going into academia.
You'll have no trouble getting a job in academics, whether dental or medical. The majority of specialties are hurting because they can't hire people who would rather make 2-3x the money in private practice.

I'm not sure that anyone cares where their doctor went to school. Actually, I don't know where any of my doctors went to med/dental school.
 
mike3kgt said:
pip00 said:
Pip,

I admire you for your courage to ask these basic questions on this forum. I however, also question whether you know what's going on! Where are you in school? What experiences do you have that make you feel like the only way you will be sucessful is to have 1. an md or 2. a degree from a 'prestigous' university.

You also underestimate the MCAT's. This is a VERY challenging exam, not to be taken lightly. The DAT was like a walk in the park compared to the type of exam the MCAT is. With a 3.5 you need a 35+ to get into a top-tier medical school and at least a 30 to be secure in any other school.

It's time to realized that we are not in the 1950s. Doctors as a whole are respected for what they do (md's, dmd's whatever) and will be for a long time. Today, however, doctors are not as highly exhaulted as they once were. My sister is an internist, brother is a surgeon and they get questions from their patients like "doctor, how dare you charge so much for a procedure" when it's like a $100 office visit/lab fee. During my father's best periods (1960-1980) as a surgeon, he ruled the hospital. Now it is the attorneys who are in that position.

If you want respect and admiration, go to law school and become a great lawyer. If you want to help people and make a difference in somebody's health and quality of life, go into medical/dental school. Both are very rewarding.

Dentistry is the best profession in healthcare, no doubt. But then again, one must do it for the right reasons. If you only go into the field for 1. prestige or 2. money, you will be doing yourself a disservice. #2, however, only applies for residencies (Endo, Ortho 😛). However, if you go into dentistry for the lifestyle, that is an OKAY answer... but one must go in with an open mind or you will get burned.

Life is full of choices and challenges. Do yourself a service and fully research what your options are, but SDN is only one way. Shadow a general surgeon, an internist, a OMS, a general dentist. Find out what you like. Remember, OMS's will ALWAYS be dentists just as ortho, endo, perio and gp's will always be dentists... and should be proud of having that title. I know I will be 🙂.

-Mike
Thank you Mike for the sincere advice! And your post affirms my views that dentistry is the right choice for me. I am actually kind of shy. But I think I'll shadow a dentist before this summer is over.. I dont think im going to shadow any general surgeon. If i get to meet them, it's only when/if i do OMFS, i would love to learn to remove appendicis. I once read about some submarine doctor that removed his own appendix. I am going to be a junior in the fall. And i'm looking forward to start doing research in the fall.

It's not really about experiences and it may sound cliche, but i think the only way i'll ever become a gentleman is if i have a suitable job/education.
I agree, mcat is not easy, especially the verbal section. I have the EK books since i originally planned to take mcat. I wrote my message optimistically, i may or may not get 35+(i'd aim for 40). But that score wouldnt get me into the college of p&s anyway. As it stands now, im not taking mcat, and i would not speculate on whether i'd get a 20 or a 40.

When i was looking for respect, i wasnt talking about patients. I feel if I'm good at what i do(dentist or internist or gas station owner), then my customers/patients would respect me. But i no doubt believe you that MD's have the same(or even worse) $ problems with patients that dentists have. I was looking for respect/encouragement from the peers/colleagues. Like I can see that everyone admires college professors, and it really attracts me.

I could not possibly be a lawyer because i'm not very good at english and i am just not interested in that line of work. I am genuinely interested in science(but not enough to be a professor). Though if i were to shadow/observe a lawyer i would be impressed with him as much as with a dentist or a physician.
 
pip00 said:
mike3kgt said:
I once read about some submarine doctor that removed his own appendix.
You can do that with Time Life's Home Surgery series. I think the appendectomy is covered in volume 2.
 
toofache32 said:
I think this is true. The first week of dental school half the class wanted to go into ortho. After 4 years, 6 people applied and 3 got in. Being a gunner is an endurance race. You have to keep charging ahead and simply wait for everyone else to tire out. This is harder than it sounds.

and what % of the starting class wanted to be OMFS? but whatever happens. i just want to get the most education possible, and if i'll be a general dentist, it's not bad.
 
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pip00 said:
So am I applying for all the wrong reasons?

emphatic yes! you won't be happy....
 
pip00 said:
OMFS from what ive heard do not work 80hrs/wk except for that 1 year when they're doing gen. surgery.

General surgery will be the only time I will work as little as 80 hours per week. Fortunately or unfortunately we are not currently held to this rule. Personally I think the 80 h work week takes away from your training.
 
pip00 said:
If i get to meet them, it's only when/if i do OMFS, i would love to learn to remove appendicis.


Do you even know what OMFS stands for?
 
pip00 said:
I am a predent. But I want to become an OMFS. I know that most dentists do not become OMFS... And i doubt i would be happy as a general dentist. I am afraid that not everyone calls a general dentist a "doctor", and it does bother me. And i feel that OMFS is closer to general surgery than to dentistry(in terms of procedures that they may do). On the other hand i would never want to be a general surgeon because they get paid less than OMFS, while they do a 5yr residency... Also I plan to go to an ivy league dental school, while if i were to apply to medschools, I wouldnt even have the slightest idea which medschool would accept me... So am I applying for all the wrong reasons? And if so, what are my alternatives?

The one thing that really hit me was where you said:
I am afraid that not everyone calls a general dentist a "doctor", and it does bother me.

If you're a general dentist, or an OMFS, you're still a dentist with a DDS/DMD degree, and therefore, you're a doctor. Your patients and staff will call you doctor no matter area of dental medicine you practice. Generally speaking, however, you're referred to as dentist, but your title is "doctor". Is the title more important to you than the career/job? If your title is that important to you, I think maybe you need to rethink why you want to spend four years in medical school/dental school.

You also mentioned the money. An MD general surgeon would probably make more money than an OMFS, but I guess it depends on the geographic area where you practice. MD Surgeons make A LOT of money. After residency, they average around $250,000+ a year. The + can go up to...well, a hell of a lot of money. Specialized surgeons even more. I have no idea how much OMFS make, but I would think a general MD surgeon would make a comparable salary or even more depending on the area.

I think some OMFSs have both an MD and a DDS. Is that your goal?

If I were you, I would focus on the profession and schooling, not how much money you'll make and what your title will be or what people will refer to you as. I usually find that the most insecure people insist on being called "doctor", whereas the most competent and brilliant people let you call them by their first names. I have several associates who are MD-PHD, MD-JD, PhD-JD, and even PhD-PharmD graduates and they all go by their first names and don't need titles to boost their egos.

Last month I was at the tire shop getting my tire repaired. As I was going to pay, they called "Mr. Smith" to the people in the waiting room. This little sloppily dressed man yells back, "That's DOCTOR Smith!" Everyone stared at him for a minute. He came up to pay, next to me, and I glanced over at his checkbook and it said "DC" next to his name. In other words, he was a chiropractor. I don't know too many MDs or DDSs who would correct someone like that in public. I always introduce myself by my first and last name, sans title, when I first meet my patients.
 
hey ProZackMI;

What are you planning to do with your MD/JD/pshychiatry degrees? thats very unique.
 
pip00 said:
mike3kgt said:
When i was looking for respect, i wasnt talking about patients. I feel if I'm good at what i do(dentist or internist or gas station owner), then my customers/patients would respect me. But i no doubt believe you that MD's have the same(or even worse) $ problems with patients that dentists have. I was looking for respect/encouragement from the peers/colleagues. Like I can see that everyone admires college professors, and it really attracts me.

Don't you think other dentists will respect you as a dentist? They will have known what you have gone through to get there because they did it themselves. Seems like funny reasoning to choose career based on respect from those who are doing the same thing.

Why are you so set on OMFS when it sounds like you want to go into academia?
 
Comet208 said:
hey ProZackMI;

What are you planning to do with your MD/JD/pshychiatry degrees? thats very unique.

Take the bar exam in Feb 06, and if I pass, move over into law and forget medicine!
 
ProZackMI said:
The one thing that really hit me was where you said:

If you're a general dentist, or an OMFS, you're still a dentist with a DDS/DMD degree, and therefore, you're a doctor. Your patients and staff will call you doctor no matter area of dental medicine you practice. Generally speaking, however, you're referred to as dentist, but your title is "doctor". Is the title more important to you than the career/job? If your title is that important to you, I think maybe you need to rethink why you want to spend four years in medical school/dental school.

You also mentioned the money. An MD general surgeon would probably make more money than an OMFS, but I guess it depends on the geographic area where you practice. MD Surgeons make A LOT of money. After residency, they average around $250,000+ a year. The + can go up to...well, a hell of a lot of money. Specialized surgeons even more. I have no idea how much OMFS make, but I would think a general MD surgeon would make a comparable salary or even more depending on the area.

I think some OMFSs have both an MD and a DDS. Is that your goal?

If I were you, I would focus on the profession and schooling, not how much money you'll make and what your title will be or what people will refer to you as. I usually find that the most insecure people insist on being called "doctor", whereas the most competent and brilliant people let you call them by their first names. I have several associates who are MD-PHD, MD-JD, PhD-JD, and even PhD-PharmD graduates and they all go by their first names and don't need titles to boost their egos.

Last month I was at the tire shop getting my tire repaired. As I was going to pay, they called "Mr. Smith" to the people in the waiting room. This little sloppily dressed man yells back, "That's DOCTOR Smith!" Everyone stared at him for a minute. He came up to pay, next to me, and I glanced over at his checkbook and it said "DC" next to his name. In other words, he was a chiropractor. I don't know too many MDs or DDSs who would correct someone like that in public. I always introduce myself by my first and last name, sans title, when I first meet my patients.

Well said!
 
ProZackMI said:
I always introduce myself by my first and last name, sans title, when I first meet my patients.

I plan on doing the same thing when I become a dentist. I don't need to run around calling myself Dr. XXXXXXX or correcting people if they call me Mr. XXXXXXX just to feel good about myself.
 
ProZackMI said:
University of Michigan, B.A. in Government/Political Science, 1993
Medical College of Ohio, M.S., Biomedical Sciences, 1994
Michigan State University College of Human Med., M.D., 1998
Internal Medicine Residency, Sparrow & William Beaumont Hospitals, MI
Psychiatric Residency, University of Michigan Med. Center
Michigan State University College of Law, J.D., 2005


Good grief that's a lot of school.
 
ProZackMI said:
Last month I was at the tire shop getting my tire repaired. As I was going to pay, they called "Mr. Smith" to the people in the waiting room. This little sloppily dressed man yells back, "That's DOCTOR Smith!" Everyone stared at him for a minute. He came up to pay, next to me, and I glanced over at his checkbook and it said "DC" next to his name. In other words, he was a chiropractor. I don't know too many MDs or DDSs who would correct someone like that in public.
Wow, that's embarassing. That's one rude DC!

ProZackMI said:
I always introduce myself by my first and last name, sans title, when I first meet my patients.
That's how I would introduce myself.
 
Personally it'll be "you can call me Steve or Dr. R------. Whatever you prefer." I don't need to be addressed a particular way. I don't really care.
 
I don't care either. I actually prefer my first name, but some feel that is unprofessional. But who the hell cares, right? 🙄
 
You could do like one of our pediatric dentists and go by "Dr. *INSERT FIRST NAME*"
 
omfsres said:
General surgery will be the only time I will work as little as 80 hours per week. Fortunately or unfortunately we are not currently held to this rule. Personally I think the 80 h work week takes away from your training.
What he said.
 
ProZackMI said:
An MD general surgeon would probably make more money than an OMFS, but I guess it depends on the geographic area where you practice.
It doesn't matter to me, but I think general surgeons are actually around the bottom of the surgery pay scale. I seem to remember that specialty surgeons (Orthopedics, Plastics, OMFS, ENT, etc.) make more on the average. And no I don't have a link. But it makes sense when you consider that general surgery encompasses dealing with all the problems that specialists don't want to deal with.

ProZackMI said:
I usually find that the most insecure people insist on being called "doctor", whereas the most competent and brilliant people let you call them by their first names.

I agree. Especially the "doctor" bit in everyday life. What the hell does your job have to do with anything outside of your hospital/office??
 
😳 😳 Sorry guys, but what is OMFS? 😳 😳
 
ProZackMI said:
........I usually find that the most insecure people insist on being called "doctor", whereas the most competent and brilliant people let you call them by their first names....

Well said.

The people that loves you, care about you and will cry for you, don't care about what tittle you have.

So why care about the people that will only value because of your tittle????????

Don't study anything for money or status. You will regret driving to work "just for money" for the next 40 yrs!

Find your true passion. I did at 29 & with 2 children 😀
 
Comet208 said:
Do you even know what OMFS stands for?
what's your dat?
 
ProZackMI said:
The one thing that really hit me was where you said:

If you're a general dentist, or an OMFS, you're still a dentist with a DDS/DMD degree, and therefore, you're a doctor. Your patients and staff will call you doctor no matter area of dental medicine you practice. Generally speaking, however, you're referred to as dentist, but your title is "doctor". Is the title more important to you than the career/job? If your title is that important to you, I think maybe you need to rethink why you want to spend four years in medical school/dental school.

You also mentioned the money. An MD general surgeon would probably make more money than an OMFS, but I guess it depends on the geographic area where you practice. MD Surgeons make A LOT of money. After residency, they average around $250,000+ a year. The + can go up to...well, a hell of a lot of money. Specialized surgeons even more. I have no idea how much OMFS make, but I would think a general MD surgeon would make a comparable salary or even more depending on the area.

I think some OMFSs have both an MD and a DDS. Is that your goal?

If I were you, I would focus on the profession and schooling, not how much money you'll make and what your title will be or what people will refer to you as. I usually find that the most insecure people insist on being called "doctor", whereas the most competent and brilliant people let you call them by their first names. I have several associates who are MD-PHD, MD-JD, PhD-JD, and even PhD-PharmD graduates and they all go by their first names and don't need titles to boost their egos.

Last month I was at the tire shop getting my tire repaired. As I was going to pay, they called "Mr. Smith" to the people in the waiting room. This little sloppily dressed man yells back, "That's DOCTOR Smith!" Everyone stared at him for a minute. He came up to pay, next to me, and I glanced over at his checkbook and it said "DC" next to his name. In other words, he was a chiropractor. I don't know too many MDs or DDSs who would correct someone like that in public. I always introduce myself by my first and last name, sans title, when I first meet my patients.


well you're now a lawyer and i believe you've got a confession out of me. once i finish either dental or medschool, i won't care so much about "prestige" any more. Also if i had a gf, i wouldnt care either. But now that i'm a ugrad(and i take it throughout the first few years of dental school), i care. i had some family friend talk to me about careers, a few years ago. He's an engineer. At the time that he talked to me, i didnt know at all what i wanted to do, so he professed some of his opinions. One of them was "dentists are like carpenters. they're not really doctors, they just take people for money". Of course i know now that he is wrong, and he didnt use the same exact words, he's more diplomatic. But the fact is people think if im going to dental school, i'm a medschool reject. Oh well. I'll still go to a dental school, i've made my choice. And though i feel insecure, it doesnt hurt me to get the most education possible. You mentioned that i should focus on schooling, and that's exactly what im doing from now on.

As for that guy getting mad and calling himself a dr. It has nothing to do with his pretentiousness, because he has nothing to gain in that situation, he doesnt even know those people... Being prestigious is when some family friend has a friend or whoever taking college courses and asks you general questions about what courses to take. And if you're a physics ph.d. or an m.d., then everyone values your opinion... Obviously everyone picks on chiropractors. He was certainly not acting like a gentleman by correcting someone in such a crude way. But i'm sure if he didnt do that, people would still seek faults in him. It's like girls when they like to let you down lightly say "you didnt notice me untill you saw my pic, pip", but in fact that fault would be overlooked if i had been a gentleman now.

Yeah and what others wrote about surgery. OMFS make more than general surgeons. But you didnt know that even though you've completed a residency! I guess that people on the streets think that dentists make less money than physicians and at the same time are more money grabbing(and prestige ******) than physicians!
 
pip00: i wanna slap you with my dick...

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pip00 said:
I guess that people on the streets think that dentists make less money than physicians and at the same time are more money grabbing(and prestige ******) than physicians!
Thanks ever so much for helping to fix the problem.

This guy is one of the best trolls I've seen in quite a while. It's almost refreshing to see somebody who knows how to do it right for a change.
 
pip00 said:
well you're now a lawyer and i believe you've got a confession out of me. once i finish either dental or medschool, i won't care so much about "prestige" any more. Also if i had a gf, i wouldnt care either. But now that i'm a ugrad(and i take it throughout the first few years of dental school), i care. i had some family friend talk to me about careers, a few years ago. He's an engineer. At the time that he talked to me, i didnt know at all what i wanted to do, so he professed some of his opinions. One of them was "dentists are like carpenters. they're not really doctors, they just take people for money". Of course i know now that he is wrong, and he didnt use the same exact words, he's more diplomatic. But the fact is people think if im going to dental school, i'm a medschool reject. Oh well. I'll still go to a dental school, i've made my choice. And though i feel insecure, it doesnt hurt me to get the most education possible. You mentioned that i should focus on schooling, and that's exactly what im doing from now on.

As for that guy getting mad and calling himself a dr. It has nothing to do with his pretentiousness, because he has nothing to gain in that situation, he doesnt even know those people... Being prestigious is when some family friend has a friend or whoever taking college courses and asks you general questions about what courses to take. And if you're a physics ph.d. or an m.d., then everyone values your opinion... Obviously everyone picks on chiropractors. He was certainly not acting like a gentleman by correcting someone in such a crude way. But i'm sure if he didnt do that, people would still seek faults in him. It's like girls when they like to let you down lightly say "you didnt notice me untill you saw my pic, pip", but in fact that fault would be overlooked if i had been a gentleman now.

Yeah and what others wrote about surgery. OMFS make more than general surgeons. But you didnt know that even though you've completed a residency! I guess that people on the streets think that dentists make less money than physicians and at the same time are more money grabbing(and prestige ******) than physicians!

If you carry this attitude into dental school, you will most likely be one of those first students to drop out because you "don't like dentistry." Be forwarned, make an educated decision (you like dentistry) and not an emotional decision (i want to be respected).

-Mike

P.S. If you are truly worried about your physician colleage respect, it's kinda funny. Med students will somehow think you are 2nd class citizens during school (definetely happens), but talk to established physicians (especially internists) and tell them that you are going to dental school over medical school. Most likely, they will respond by saying to you that you've made a very smart decision.
 
mike3kgt said:
Med students will somehow think you are 2nd class citizens during school (definetely happens), but talk to established physicians (especially internists) and tell them that you are going to dental school over medical school. Most likely, they will respond by saying to you that you've made a very smart decision.

very very true.

one of my professors told me that his twin brother went to dental school. at the begining everyone, including the twin, looked down upon him, and praised the one who got PhD in biochemistry. the professor himself told me that if he could do it over, he would pick dentistry in a heart beat.
 
It's a simple concept. Don't feed the trolls and they go away.


Let it die and he will go away.
 
ISU_Steve said:
Personally it'll be "you can call me Steve or Dr. R------. Whatever you prefer." I don't need to be addressed a particular way. I don't really care.

Yeah, but you're not a chiropractor! 🙂 They are the only REAL doctors, right?
 
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"dentists are like carpenters. they're not really doctors, they just take people for money". Of course i know now that he is wrong, and he didnt use the same exact words, he's more diplomatic. But the fact is people think if im going to dental school, i'm a medschool reject.

Listen, this guy is a complete and utter acephalic *****. Here's a few things for you to ponder, kid. First, in the United States, the word/title doctor immediately brings to mind a physician of any specialty. When the average person says, "I'm going to see my doctor," he/she is usually referring to an MD or DO, not a dentist/psychologist/pharmacist/vet/optometrist/whatever.

Americans have this misconception that "doctor" equates to physician. It most certainly does not. If one is a doctor, one holds a doctoral degree -- either professional (e.g., MD, DDS, DVM, PharmD, OD, PsyD, JD) or acamdeic (e.g., PhD, EdD, ScD, DA, DPH). A professional doctorate is 3-4 years of post bachelor's education, at the doctoral level, that involves minimal or no research proficiency, no dissertation, and upon graduation, a rigourous licensing exam. An academic doctorate involves intense research and a dissertation either post-bacc or post-master's.

Thus, in reality, a "doctor" can be a PharmD, DVM, OD, MD, PhD, EdD, JD (yes, even lawyers are doctors, but choose not to use the title), AuD, DPT, DPM, DO, ScD, DPH, DBA, DSW, DMin, etc.). Anyone who has an EARNED doctor level degree is a doctor. Period! No questions. If your degree says "doctor" in it, you are a doctor. Not a physician, but a doctor. The terms physican and doctor have been inappropriately merged in the US. You do not find this problem in Europe.

In fact, in many parts of Europe, medicine and dentistry are undergraduate degrees (England, Ireland, etc.). In Germany and other Germanic countries, if you say "I'm Dr. so-and-so", it will be assumed that you are a PhD or lawyer, not a physician. When you say, "I'm a physician", you'll get..."Oh, a mere body mechanic...not an intellectual."

Secondly, your family friend has it all wrong. I just explained that anyone with a doctoral degree, even a lawyer or chiropractor or pharmacist, is a REAL doctor. Now, of course a dentist is NOT a physician, but so friggin' what? How does that make you any less of a professional?

Thirdly, no intelligent person would ever say that a dentist is a med school reject. If that were true, that would mean that no one, at any time, would voluntarily choose to be a dentist. That only those rejected from medical school would stoop so low as to enter dental school. That simply is not true. No intelligent person would believe that. I guess that one episode of Seinfeld had an impact on you or your family friend. In every country, dentists are highly respected professionals who enjoy a great standard of living with great prospects for career development.

Gee, I wonder if all veterinarians, pharmacists, optometrists, chiropractors (well, this one is true!), podiatrists, physical therapists, psychologists, audiologists, NPs, and PAs are all med school rejects? I mean, why would anyone voluntarily choose to be a vet or optometrist or pharmacist? Come on, you don't really believe anyone would think that, do you? If you, I can let you know my hourly rate and we can discuss a tx plan.

As for that guy getting mad and calling himself a dr. It has nothing to do with his pretentiousness, because he has nothing to gain in that situation, he doesnt even know those people... Being prestigious is when some family friend has a friend or whoever taking college courses and asks you general questions about what courses to take. And if you're a physics ph.d. or an m.d., then everyone values your opinion... Obviously everyone picks on chiropractors.

The chiropractor acted like a public ass because he is an insecure little man and he feels that his title will garner him respect. Guess what, pip? In general, no one gives a rat's ass what your title is or what you do for a living. When I got pulled over for speeding last week, do you think the cop cared that I was an MD/JD? Do you think he was impressed by my lab coat sitting on the passenger seat with my hospital badge displayed? NO. I still got a ticket. Do you think my title gets me better service from Sprint when I have problems getting an upgrade for my cell phone? NO. Do you think my title gets me better service or even discounts from the vet I bring my cat to? NO! Unless I'm at work, no one cares that I'm a "doctor".

Only someone who is very insecure insists on being called doctor, especially outside of a work situation. If you are calling yourself doctor outside of work, you really have some serious ego issues.

Prestige does not come from college classes. Prestige does come from having the respect of others, but prestige is relative. Like I said, in the US, the title doctor connects with being a physician. If I say I'm a doctor, most Americans will assume MD or DO, not DDS/JD/PharmD/PhD. Here, in the US, we think physicians are revered and given a great deal of prestige, while we look at other professions with less prestige (optometrists, podiatrists, nurses, etc., are not respected as much). In Europe, physicians are often given much less prestige than in the US. In fact, in Germany, scientists and lawyers are given much more respect than physicians.

Prestige is also earned based on your reputation, character, and professionalism.
 
Very well said, Zack
 
ProZackMI said:
Only someone who is very insecure insists on being called doctor, especially outside of a work situation. If you are calling yourself doctor outside of work, you really have some serious ego issues..

This is very true in the US. However, in many other countries it is the cultural norm that once you are a doctor of any kind, you are often refered to as Dr. XXX (your last name) and that is how you introduce yourself to others even when not at work. Even the wives say Dr. XXX when refering to their husbands in the presence of others. This may sound weird to some, but is it culturally accpted and widely practiced in many countries.

I wonder if the OP is from a country that such approch is practiced and that dentistry is not highly regarded yet; hence his insecurities of not being called a Dr.
 
mike3kgt said:
If you carry this attitude into dental school, you will most likely be one of those first students to drop out because you "don't like dentistry." Be forwarned, make an educated decision (you like dentistry) and not an emotional decision (i want to be respected).

-Mike

P.S. If you are truly worried about your physician colleage respect, it's kinda funny. Med students will somehow think you are 2nd class citizens during school (definetely happens), but talk to established physicians (especially internists) and tell them that you are going to dental school over medical school. Most likely, they will respond by saying to you that you've made a very smart decision.

I'm an MD. If I had to do it over again, I would have gone to law school first and not medical school. Or, I would have gone to dental school. Although, personally, I kinda like the DMD designation over the DDS -- not sure why, but DMD is kinda unique and cool looking.

Seriously, though, I don't know many physicians who look down on dentists. I never have. I don't see why anyone would. No intelligent person looks at dentists as paraprofessionals.
 
Comet208 said:
Even the wives say Dr. XXX when refering to their husbands in the presence of others. This may sound weird to some, but is it culturally accpted and widely practiced in many countries.
I have a M.S degree. If I ever get married, I would prefer my wife to call me Master.XXX instead of Dr.XXX. 😀
That's a cool culture! If my wife disrespects me then I could use that example! "woman, you better give me some respect! wives call their husbands Dr in some culture, you're lucky that I'm letting you call me by first name only!" 😀
 
ProZackMI said:
First, in the United States, the word/title doctor immediately brings to mind a physician of any specialty. When the average person says, "I'm going to see my doctor," he/she is usually referring to an MD or DO, not a dentist/psychologist/pharmacist/vet/optometrist/whatever.

Americans have this misconception that "doctor" equates to physician. It most certainly does not. If one is a doctor, one holds a doctoral degree --
very true!
I saw a movie in which a bunch of kids were having a party while their parents were out of town. One kid passed out due to od with alcohol and drugs. One of the kids yelled: hey, call your dad, he's a doctor. "man, my dad does research (meaning his dad is a PhD, not a MD/DO)", the other kid replied. I thought it was funny.

I don't understand what's the hang up with the "doctor" tittle! Imagine a cop introduces himself at a party/public places: Hi, I'm Officer Long John Silver, or a judge: Hi, I'm Judge John Public. It would seem like they have something to prove. You would be thinking to yourself: so? who you're trying to impress? what are you trying to prove?
 
ProZackMI said:
...When I got pulled over for speeding last week, do you think the cop cared that I was an MD/JD? Do you think he was impressed by my lab coat sitting on the passenger seat with my hospital badge displayed? NO. I still got a ticket...
The amazing thing is that there are people out there who think that's how it works for some reason. I've never understood this rationale. If anything, I always hide any clues to my job because I think it works the other way around. If there's any sort of jealousy, you're more likely to get a ticket.
 
Comet208 said:
Even the wives say Dr. XXX when refering to their husbands in the presence of others. This may sound weird to some, but is it culturally accpted and widely practiced in many countries.
Now that's my kind of woman..."Another beer, Dr. Toofache? How about your slippers?"
 
lnn2 said:
That's a cool culture! If my wife disrespects me then I could use that example! "woman, you better give me some respect! wives call their husbands Dr in some culture, you're lucky that I'm letting you call me by first name only!" 😀
Or you could just pimp-slap her like they do in some cultures.
 
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