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Because the original gunnertraining thread got closed down, I wanted to start a new thread where students can objectively discuss GT.

First of all, I am a MS2 in a US medical school taking Step 1 in June. So I am in the process of getting my resources together.

At this point, I am willing to try GT. Even if it sucks, I'm out $60, which isn't a full tank of gas for my vehicle.

Does anyone have objective comments about GT?
 
Because the original gunnertraining thread got closed down, I wanted to start a new thread where students can objectively discuss GT.

First of all, I am a MS2 in a US medical school taking Step 1 in June. So I am in the process of getting my resources together.

At this point, I am willing to try GT. Even if it sucks, I'm out $60, which isn't a full tank of gas for my vehicle.

Does anyone have objective comments about GT?

I bought it. It's a q bank that makes ppl feel good about themselves since it's designed for you to test thru qs you just reviewed the material on, using flashcards. You can also test cold turkey on stuff that you haven't seen before.

Downside: it doesn't have any stats qs as far as I can tell which for me is a turn-off. If anyone in charge is reading this, they should include some.

I've finished the behavioral qs in GT without reviewing the flashcards with an average of 70% which is equal to my behav average overall so far on all question sources including chapters of PreTest Behav and PT Psych, which are really hard q books. So I wouldn't say that GT is necessarily an easy q bank provided you test without reviewing the respective cards right before.
 
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Thanks for your input. I'll probably buy it for the flash cards to review stuff at the end of the day. I've gotten lots of positive feedback about USMLE World, so I'll probably use that for questions.
 
If you don't like the program, I believe I read on their website that they will refund your money within 5 days.
 
I went onto the website and in the FAQ it says if you cancel w/in 5 days they refund your money (and cry...)

I decided to go for it, and I have mixed feelings so far. I've been on for the past 2-3 hrs and there seem to be a lot of minor typos (but since I have seen all the material before, it is understandable) which kind of turns me off, but at the same time I really like the system and could end up loving it.

The questions (USMLE style questions) seem pretty good - I've only done a handful so far but seem to be similar to USMLERx (from what I've seen from friends) and more fact driven. Answers are brief (way less than World) but sufficient.

I'll let you all know if I cancel after a few days or if this turns out to be the greatest thing since sliced bread.
 
I have been using gunner training for about a week now and really like it. If you are looking for something that goes along quite closely with First Aid but then also throws in some extra pictures and other high yield facts, then this might be a good investment. It takes extra time to go through a subject because you do review questions after a certain amount of flash cards, but the program is really helping me to memorize everything quickly. If you are in a time crunch this program will be useless, but if you have a month or two to study for the boards then I think this is a great tool. And it only costs 60 bucks so if you hate it, you can still sleep at night knowing you didn't throw that much money down the toilet.
 
positives:

-system is kind of *neat* (i really like the spaced learning idea and oh lord how i wish med school would incorporate spaced learning into its rusted old guts--it would make the process a lot less ridiculous)
-relatively cheap
-follows firstaid (very closely, i might add...) so you can sort of use both at the same time
-whenever i've had a q they have e-mailed me back within a day

negatives:

-there are actually many typos and errors with questions. i am certain they are aware of this, and i can only assume they are working as fast as possible to fix it. i feel like this will be the thing that decides whether their business does well or not. seeing multiple errors in a row is kind of like kissing a hot date only to find out she has a lizard tongue. you're like, shoot...is it even worth it?
-a good number of the q's are the kind that say "which of the following is NOT..." -- this format is not used on step 1, i believe.


OVERALL i like it, but its potential exceeds its current form
 
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negatives:

-there are actually many typos and errors with questions. i am certain they are aware of this, and i can only assume they are working as fast as possible to fix it. i feel like this will be the thing that decides whether their business does well or not. seeing multiple errors in a row is kind of like kissing a hot date only to find out she has a lizard tongue. you're like, shoot...is it even worth it?

When you say errors with questions, do you mean that the answers/explanations contain factual errors? Did you feel like you needed to do a lot of cross referencing with other resources to double check what's being said in the program?

Typos I can handle, but I would prefer not having to second guess what I read while I am studying from the flashcards.
 
When you say errors with questions, do you mean that the answers/explanations contain factual errors? Did you feel like you needed to do a lot of cross referencing with other resources to double check what's being said in the program?

Typos I can handle, but I would prefer not having to second guess what I read while I am studying from the flashcards.

there are a variety of errors, but most of them (that i have found) are more of the annoying variety than the this-is-screwing-me-hardcore variety. but if you are on the fence i guess they have this 5 day trial deal thing, why not take a look.
 
So, I've been going through some more material today and just have to really echo what other people were saying - it is really the same thing as FA but in a different media. The format of material is the EXACT same (I'm going through it with my FA and it's the exact same) and the material is the exact same with a little bit more stuff (doesn't seem like anything that won't be on the test though). The main bonus for me is that I can read the material, it has more pics than FA, and then there is the constant quizzing me on the material. It makes me really learn it a lot better than I do when I just sit down and read FA.

Still a lot of typos, but there is a super good reporting system, so hopefully people will correct them all pretty rapidly. I think I'll keep it as it seems to be a good way to memorize FA, then all I have to do is Goljan and BRS (memorize) and I've heard that's good for at least a 250.

A note about the images - more than FA, still not an image for every disease (sometimes will talk about a goofy cell (like Schiller-Duval bodies) but will not show a pic of it, which sucks). Images are pretty good for the most part, but since I use it on a comp anyways, if there is any image I don't get, I just wiki it. Hope that helps.
 
So, I've been going through some more material today and just have to really echo what other people were saying - it is really the same thing as FA but in a different media. The format of material is the EXACT same (I'm going through it with my FA and it's the exact same) and the material is the exact same with a little bit more stuff (doesn't seem like anything that won't be on the test though). The main bonus for me is that I can read the material, it has more pics than FA, and then there is the constant quizzing me on the material. It makes me really learn it a lot better than I do when I just sit down and read FA.

Still a lot of typos, but there is a super good reporting system, so hopefully people will correct them all pretty rapidly. I think I'll keep it as it seems to be a good way to memorize FA, then all I have to do is Goljan and BRS (memorize) and I've heard that's good for at least a 250.

A note about the images - more than FA, still not an image for every disease (sometimes will talk about a goofy cell (like Schiller-Duval bodies) but will not show a pic of it, which sucks). Images are pretty good for the most part, but since I use it on a comp anyways, if there is any image I don't get, I just wiki it. Hope that helps.

I plan on getting GT now. I basically wanted what you describe - something that would quiz me as I go through first aid so that I actually memorized the relevant details without having to bomb the USMLE world questions and attempt to learn via reading answer explanations.

I will post my feedback about GT in this thread once I start studying. My start date is May 18th and my test date is June 22.
 
Can anyone (who isn't affiliated with the course 🙄) still comment on whether this is helpful? The other thread seemed too shady, and I couldn't find too much info about it. I was curious on how effective the course was in terms of repetition/flashcard usage. They have ~4000 open ended questions and an updated question bank. I just hope it isn't just a bunch of rehashed random facts just out to make a few $$$. The quizzing was what I was interested in knowing. I think that's why many people liked the doctors in training course b/c of that constant quizzing.


First Aid had something similar which was called flashfacts. Anyone using this alongside w/ first aid?
 
I don't work for GT. Also, I am not not taking Step I until 2010. I got GT because I have gathered that becoming familiar with FA is a good idea - but I hate making flashcards and would rather be quizzed than quiz myself. Also, when I sat down with HY anatomy to begin my "review of year 1" I almost vomited, and realized that I should abbreviate my review to one source (eg FA) and still have a summer.

Anyway, I can confirm that their material and even the order that it is presented closely matches FA 09. There are typos and rare minor errata but I believe these will get worked out. I reported something that was somewhat conflicting with what I learned in class and was surprised to get a next day and thorough (cited) response. Overall, most of the time it so closely matches FA that there isn't any room for errata. Also, I should say that they do include some additional tidbits that aren't mentioned in FA (at least not in the same section). The biggest difference is the histological, clinical and diagrammatic visuals.... Hope this helps.
 
I don't work for GT. Also, I am not not taking Step I until 2010. I got GT because I have gathered that becoming familiar with FA is a good idea - but I hate making flashcards and would rather be quizzed than quiz myself. Also, when I sat down with HY anatomy to begin my "review of year 1" I almost vomited, and realized that I should abbreviate my review to one source (eg FA) and still have a summer.

Anyway, I can confirm that their material and even the order that it is presented closely matches FA 09. There are typos and rare minor errata but I believe these will get worked out. I reported something that was somewhat conflicting with what I learned in class and was surprised to get a next day and thorough (cited) response. Overall, most of the time it so closely matches FA that there isn't any room for errata. Also, I should say that they do include some additional tidbits that aren't mentioned in FA (at least not in the same section). The biggest difference is the histological, clinical and diagrammatic visuals.... Hope this helps.

I also am not taking Step 1 until 2010 and would like to echo what the above poster said. I've been using it since the beginning of June and I really, really like it. I've gone through anatomy and physiology for respiratory, cardiovascular, renal, and am starting GI and it's surprising how much I've learned in such a short time span with what feels like not a lot of effort. I've maybe spent 30 minutes to an hour every other day (sometimes every 2nd or 3rd day) on it and it's gone quickly. I've been tracking my progress with the analytics it provides and after 2 weeks of studying and a few repetitions my recall has gone up significantly (the amount of 5's has increased by almost 20% - this meaning that when I do my scheduled review questions, the number of answers that I get right without having to think about the question is increasing).
I also reported an error and was replied with an e-mail that explained the underlying physiology of what I reported and received said e-mail within 24 hours of making the report.
The user interface is great and works on a Mac or PC (I've tried it on both). It's convenient to have it as a web-based program because I can sign in anywhere, and I understand it can be used on the iPhone. As well, it's a pretty cheap program. I'll pay a grand total of $160 to use it over the next year, not bad considering the cost of some other question banks. It also comes with 2000 USMLE style questions and I think the FRED v2 interface has been reproduced for it. I really think this software is advantageous to someone who begins using it a few months out rather than cramming, the multiple repetitions are so useful for pounding this stuff into your head (at least that's how I learn, I have to see it over and over and over)
Anyway, just my $0.02. I'll go back to lurking this forum now.
 
I've been tracking my progress with the analytics it provides and after 2 weeks of studying and a few repetitions my recall has gone up significantly (the amount of 5's has increased by almost 20% - this meaning that when I do my scheduled review questions, the number of answers that I get right without having to think about the question is increasing).

I also reported an error and was replied with an e-mail that explained the underlying physiology of what I reported and received said e-mail within 24 hours of making the report.

A friend of mine told me about supermemo on his PDA which is kind of like the same thing, but that was years ago and I'm doubtful anyone uses it nowadays. The constant drilling helped him make things stick. The recall factor and quizzing is what I was drawn to.

I'm still curious what was going on in the old thread about this site that made people furious. 😕
It would be cool if there were some more comments from current test takers too.
So what was the error about?
 
So I just took the real test last week, and thank goodness it's over! I ended up using both Gunnertraining and USMLEworld. Basically, I went through the subject flashcards in GT, did their review questions, and then did the subject questions in UW. The tracking of my 1-5 recall performance helped me memorize all the small details of the things that were asked on the acutal test. For example, the ret gene is involved in MEN II syndrome-- I still remember that! Also, from their graphs, you can see which subject material you're having difficulty remembering. For me, that meant I was able to focus more time on reviewing stuff like antiarrhythmic agents, instead of the entire pharmacology section. I also got an email recently about data analysis regarding the performance of their customers. It's on a blog thats on the their website if you want to check that out yourself. Anyways, I would recommend someone use GT as well as UW. Alright, I'm packing up for a week of of R and R before I start those clinicals!
 
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So I just took the real test last week, and thank goodness it's over! I ended up using both Gunnertraining and USMLEworld. Basically, I went through the subject flashcards in GT, did their review questions, and then did the subject questions in UW. The tracking of my 1-5 recall performance helped me memorize all the small details of the things that were asked on the acutal test. For example, the ret gene is involved in MEN II syndrome-- I still remember that! Also, from their graphs, you can see which subject material you're having difficulty remembering. For me, that meant I was able to focus more time on reviewing stuff like antiarrhythmic agents, instead of the entire pharmacology section. I also got an email recently about data analysis regarding the performance of their customers. It's on a blog thats on the their website if you want to check that out yourself. Anyways, I would recommend someone use GT as well as UW. Alright, I'm packing up for a week of of R and R before I start those clinicals!

Congrats on being done! From the looks of your prac's it looks like you're in for an awesome score. In terms of GT, did you eventually get to the point of word for word memorization of the cards? Also, what do you think about some of the errata/typos? Effects, if any on your memorization? I'm using GT to review some year 1 stuff but also testing it to see if it'd be a good tool to use throughout next year. Have a nice trip.
 
I bought it and it seems worth it. I'm still in 1st year and I'm using it to review first semester material. The goal is to have GT memorized before I start my 'real' step1 studying in 2nd year. I've been using it 1 hr/day for the last 2 weeks.

GT is essentially the same learning style as I've already been using for long term retention. I've been putting all of the clinical correlates from biochemistry into mnemosyne(open source flashcard program) for the last few months and have a pretty solid retention of that material so when I read this thread about GT I decided to give it a go. It looks like GT uses the exact same system(http://www.mnemosyne-proj.org/principles.php).

The only thing that I hope GT offers in the future is the ability to share annotations with other users.
 
I got this message recently and thought that my reply would be good for anyone that was interested in the program:
How do you like it so far? My main concerns were :

* how are you using it with First Aid? My exam is at the end of August and I'm doing kaplan right now and started uworld also. I'm 2 weeks into my prep. Do you find it easy to go through first aid?

* does this program require that you already have a strong basic science background?

* is this program really legit or is it a rehashed pool of facts anyone can find to make a quick $?

* are you doing all the questions that are given by this resource? how long do you think it'll take to complete? i.e. how many hours/day does one need to dedicate to it?

Alright, thanks for your time and if you have any input - please let me know. Thank you!
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I've been meaning to post something on this for a while, but I just finished my test and have been enjoying being brain dead for the past week. OK, here's what I think at the end of all of this:

*I used the program along with FA 2008 (I had bought it first year and already marked it all up, so didn't want to buy 2009) and would go through it and FA very closely the first time through - I would read FA, then the GT page, then FA again, then bank the questions, then move to the next thing. The sections match really well, and sometimes the FA section is better, sometimes the GT section is better, but between the two, I felt pretty good on all of the subjects in FA. This method would take me about 6-8 hours to go through each section (with the questions and everything) but I felt pretty good about each section after I finished it and the pace made sure that I didn't skim through FA and the questions made sure that I didn't zone out while reading. For somebody with a low attention span, this was great - a friend and I joked that it was the closest thing to video games we could get while studying for Step 1.

*It's really like FA as far as background knowledge, meaning that for me I couldn't really understand what is going on without having learned things previously. However, having some background knowledge, I was able to really get the facts that FA is good at reinforcing, genes, inheritance, labs, all of that kind of stuff.

*Is it legit? I think so - the staff is pretty good at getting back to you about problems, are really devoted to making the site as good as possible, and it really helped me learn the millions of pain in the a** facts that are in FA.

*About the questions - the coolest feature and if you don't do it everyday the biggest pain in the a**. It's great b/c it constantly forces you to look at things that you may not be good at, and while I was keeping up with it I would have about 300-400 direct recall questions a day, which would take me about 3 hours to do (pretty much just quizzing you on facts, the inheritance of VHL, etc.) With the rating system, you get all the facts that you are bad at, and it's really the best way I found at remembering all those little things you tend to forget (a friend in the year ahead of me had a flashcard system where he would put things in piles depending on how well he knew the facts and then alternate piles, kind of the same idea). However, I missed about 5-10 days while I was on vacation and didn't have a chance to do my daily questions so they ended up really building up in the end. However, with the new function where you can remove cards that you don't need to look over again, I feel that this would not be a problem if I were to redo the system now. I didn't use the Q bank outside of the direct recall questions, as I had already purchased USMLE world and that was a more proven source, but the handfull of questions I did go through were good and seemed to be pretty tricky.

So, my final evaluation is that it was a great resource for being able to memorize FA, which is exactly what I was hoping for. With the way that I went through FA and then all of the questions, I was really able to recall most of the facts in FA on test day. For me it was great (also a good way to mix up the day instead of just reading constantly) but that could be b/c it really fit my style and addressed the part of my knowledge which was weakest - my direct recall of facts that I had a terrible time of memorizing. I hope this helps

PS - One other thing I like is that if you have a good mneumonic or facts about a subject, you can message the admins and if it is good they'll add it into the database, they are incredibly receptive to feedback.
 
So I've been using this resource for a couple of days. I must say that I am an entering M2, so my USMLE isn't for another year, but I didn't want to forget Biochem and such so I figured the spaced learning would help.
So far, the flashcards are good and the questions really target what you don't know. I just wish there was more subject based stuff for students in my position, because systems based is really great, only if you have seen ALL the material relevant to an organ, which I have not done.
Excellent customer support so far and the product does seem to be working.
Any specific questions PM me.
 
*About the questions - the coolest feature and if you don't do it everyday the biggest pain in the a**. It's great b/c it constantly forces you to look at things that you may not be good at, and while I was keeping up with it I would have about 300-400 direct recall questions a day, which would take me about 3 hours to do (pretty much just quizzing you on facts, the inheritance of VHL, etc.) With the rating system, you get all the facts that you are bad at, and it's really the best way I found at remembering all those little things you tend to forget .

That's one big reason why the program is starting to look really tempting. I tend to get frustrated and then eventualy skip over or skim briefly any areas that I'm week in.
 
So, is it worth using GT during 2nd year while starting to read FA?
 
So, is it worth using GT during 2nd year while starting to read FA?

Yes. Although I would do either FA or GT but not both as they overlap significantly. Once you sign up for GT you will see it for yourself. My only regret is not starting GT earlier in 1st year. If I had done this while I was first learning cardio/respiratory/endocrine I don't think I would have forgotten much of the physio or anatomy. Maybe I'm nuts(read: I am nuts) but I think GT is kind of fun to do...so far I've gotten 2 friends hooked. I predict that GT will become as big of a hit as FA among M1/M2 students as word spreads.

That said, I would never consider signing up for GT if I only had a few weeks left before the exam. Spaced learning is for long term potentiation. You can't choose topics for the direct recall review questions. GT picks them for you based on what you don't know--not based on what you want to review. For someone doing a systems based review doing questions on renal/cardio/pharm/behavioral on a day that you set aside to review GI doesn't make much sense.
 
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Yes. Although I would do either FA or GT but not both as they overlap significantly. Once you sign up for GT you will see it for yourself. My only regret is not starting GT earlier in 1st year. If I had done this while I was first learning cardio/respiratory/endocrine I don't think I would have forgotten much of the physio or anatomy. Maybe I'm nuts(read: I am nuts) but I think GT is kind of fun to do...so far I've gotten 2 friends hooked. I predict that GT will become as big of a hit as FA among M1/M2 students as word spreads..

I'm looking for a resource to review year 1 material while in year 2 (and doing year 2 'live'). My goal is to start reading FA to refresh stuff from last year, and I was looking for a quizzing source to accompany that.

That said, I would never consider signing up for GT if I only had a few weeks left before the exam. Spaced learning is for long term potentiation. You can't choose topics for the direct recall review questions. GT picks them for you based on what you don't know--not based on what you want to review. For someone doing a systems based review doing questions on renal/cardio/pharm/behavioral on a day that you set aside to review GI doesn't make much sense.

For that reason, I'm probably considering getting a subscription for a few months to check it out. Who knows, I might keep it until the exam next year?:luck:
 
I'm a fan.

FA was great and it followed that quite a bit, as previously discussed. On my exam, there were questions that I actually thought, "I know that flashcard exactly." This is, however, after I had continuously gotten the nit picky factoid wrong on several occasions at Gunner Training. I didn't get through the 770 flashcards, but the ones I did get to I'm glad I did.

I'd point out that I don't think this is for the crammers out there... unless you're one of those people on SDN that has an instant long-term photographic memory and medical school is boring to you.

I too am keeping my subscription - it's $10 a month and I can be ready to confidently answer questions in front of patients. It's humbling when you go though those public displays of stupidity.

Caboose.
 
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