Half way through my third year as a psych resident

[wolfvgang22]

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One of my acquaintances actually followed through on his promise and peaced out to Abu Dhabi after Trump won the election. I think the pay is less but tax free and sometimes with other benefits.

What sort of benefits?

 

[sozme]

Um, I don't think rural Midwest is going to be more welcoming to Muslims in general, though there are certainly exceptions.

Wrong. Rural midwest people worship their doctors.

 

[JustAGuy]

What sort of benefits?

Mainly what I've heard is tax free income and living expenses. One of my friends worked there many years ago and says he was given a car and free housing. I'm not sure if that's still common or it's mostly just an extra amount of $.

 

[Candidate2017]

One of my acquaintances actually followed through on his promise and peaced out to Abu Dhabi after Trump won the election. I think the pay is less but tax free and sometimes with other benefits.

I'll name a few of the numerous Abu Dhabi benefits that you won't find in Trump's America:

Alcohol consumption license required for drinking.
Women must apply for an alcohol license under their husband's name.
No alcohol for Muslims.
No miniskirts.
Hugging, kissing, or handholding in public is illegal. Jail for lesbians who do so.

 

[erg923]

I'll name a few of the numerous Abu Dhabi benefits that you won't find in Trump's America:

Alcohol consumption license required for drinking.
Women must apply for an alcohol license under their husband's name.
No alcohol for Muslims.
No miniskirts.
Hugging, kissing, or handholding in public is illegal. Jail for lesbians who do so.

Heh...

 

[clozareal]

I'll name a few of the numerous Abu Dhabi benefits that you won't find in Trump's America:

Alcohol consumption license required for drinking.
Women must apply for an alcohol license under their husband's name.
No alcohol for Muslims.
No miniskirts.
Hugging, kissing, or handholding in public is illegal. Jail for lesbians who do so.

More "benefits":

No swearing or indecent gestures
No sharing a space with the opposite sex (house, hotel room, room, or even car) unless married
Co-habitating outside of marriage is forbidden (except in some luxury hotels)
Pregnancy outside of marriage is illegal
All homosexuality is illegal
Antipsychotics and other psych drugs are heavily regulated and you must have a doctor's prescription with time and date(s) you are traveling there
You'll probably have to observe Ramadan and fast during the day although there are a few non-Muslim places to eat during the day

I'm sure some people will say this is a "once you get used to it, you don't notice it" type of thing, and many people in that country may point out the weird things we do in the US that would never be allowed in UAE, but for me the other benefits (no taxes, them buying you a car/house) aren't worth it.

 

[clausewitz2]

More "benefits":

No swearing or indecent gestures
No sharing a space with the opposite sex (house, hotel room, room, or even car) unless married
Co-habitating outside of marriage is forbidden (except in some luxury hotels)
Pregnancy outside of marriage is illegal
All homosexuality is illegal
Antipsychotics and other psych drugs are heavily regulated and you must have a doctor's prescription with time and date(s) you are traveling there
You'll probably have to observe Ramadan and fast during the day although there are a few non-Muslim places to eat during the day

I'm sure some people will say this is a "once you get used to it, you don't notice it" type of thing, and many people in that country may point out the weird things we do in the US that would never be allowed in UAE, but for me the other benefits (no taxes, them buying you a car/house) aren't worth it.

Needing very detailed prescriptions and/or a signed letter from a physician vouching for meds is not at all uncommon as a requirement for people bringing scripts in from overseas. Many countries require this in principle. Enforcement is an entirely different issue, but most places have very strict laws about this.

 

[Merovinge]

Wrong. Rural midwest people worship their doctors.

That's true but the docs who choose to practice in those areas usually share things in common with their patients. I spent 6 weeks in a rural FP clinic where literally every doctor there was involved in the local churches, came to local sports games, etc. They are worshiped but they also all share the same race and religion.

 

[clausewitz2]

That's true but the docs who choose to practice in those areas usually share things in common with their patients. I spent 6 weeks in a rural FP clinic where literally every doctor there was involved in the local churches, came to local sports games, etc. They are worshiped but they also all share the same race and religion.

There were a number of people in my med school class who were of South Asian or East Asian descent with some seriously country*ss accents because their parents were immigrant physicians (often pediatricians, for some reason) in tiny rural communities. They often wanted to go back after training, though not uniformly. Can't speak to their challenges or experiences, but apparently not unremitting horror.

Edit: they were also definitely not Christian.

 

[deleted736562]

One can conflate the issue all one wants to but it does come down to having a thicker skin. There hasn't been any direct harm to OP that has been recorded.

It's almost as good as headline stress disorder - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-definitely-not-alone/?utm_term=.875dcdfebb77

Sure, if one considers open social, occupational, judicial and political discrimination against one's religion or racial background not a "direct harm".

 

[FlowRate]

More "benefits":

No swearing or indecent gestures
No sharing a space with the opposite sex (house, hotel room, room, or even car) unless married
Co-habitating outside of marriage is forbidden (except in some luxury hotels)
Pregnancy outside of marriage is illegal
All homosexuality is illegal
Antipsychotics and other psych drugs are heavily regulated and you must have a doctor's prescription with time and date(s) you are traveling there
You'll probably have to observe Ramadan and fast during the day although there are a few non-Muslim places to eat during the day

I'm sure some people will say this is a "once you get used to it, you don't notice it" type of thing, and many people in that country may point out the weird things we do in the US that would never be allowed in UAE, but for me the other benefits (no taxes, them buying you a car/house) aren't worth it.

This all sounds a little overblown compared to what my cousin and his family have described about their time living in Abu Dhabi. There are so many expats there that finding places to drink--or eat during Ramadan--is not difficult. It's just impolite to do so in mixed company (around the locals, i.e. publicly at work.)

 

[Shikima]

Sure, if one considers open social, occupational, judicial and political discrimination against one's religion or racial background not a "direct harm".

We all discriminate. If you say you don't, you're fooling yourself...

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/08/laurence-m-vance/discriminate/

 

[FlowRate]

We all discriminate. If you say you don't, you're fooling yourself...

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/08/laurence-m-vance/discriminate/

Didn't think I'd see that website around here.

Austrians can be so long-winded.

 

[clausewitz2]

Didn't think I'd see that website around here.

Austrians can be so long-winded.

Paleolibs are too old-school for editing.

 

[cbrons]

That's true but the docs who choose to practice in those areas usually share things in common with their patients. I spent 6 weeks in a rural FP clinic where literally every doctor there was involved in the local churches, came to local sports games, etc. They are worshiped but they also all share the same race and religion.

This is not true at all. Plenty of muslim doctors ive met in rural illinois and their lilly white Christian patients would go to war for them

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[Merovinge]

This is not true at all. Plenty of muslim doctors ive met in rural illinois and their lilly white Christian patients would go to war for them

I'm sorry, is your argument that my experience is a lie told by the liberal media? It's true that historically rural folks in the midwest have had very close relationships with their physicians, it is also true that they overwhelmingly share the same race/culture, although certainly their some Indian/Muslim docs who do great in the rural Midwest.

 

[Candidate2017]

This all sounds a little overblown compared to what my cousin and his family have described about their time living in Abu Dhabi. There are so many expats there that finding places to drink--or eat during Ramadan--is not difficult. It's just impolite to do so in mixed company (around the locals, i.e. publicly at work.)

Leaving a country known for defending religious rights because of a temporary refugee ban that is currently being challenged in court is overblown compared to a country (and countries) the give actual prison terms for homosexuals.

 

[Ahamis]

Mid east is a very good option. Excellent pay. Low taxes/Tax Free.

Does anybody know more details about job opportunities in the mid east?

 

[Ahamis]

https://www.locumtenens.com/psychiatry-jobs/physician/international/job-843234

Is 450 K Australian dollars an excellent salary to live in Australia?

 

[masterofmonkeys]

A mental health professional should probably develop a thicker skin, understand the phenomenon of social contagion as it applies to experience of trauma/victimization, and maybe also use some cognitive reframing.

I'm not Muslim but am more often assumed to be that than my actual religion (Hindu). I lived in the Northeast and UK in the years after 9/11 and hvae lived in the midwest for most of the last 10 years. My experience aftr 9/11 absoltely represented considerable antiimmigrant feeling. My experience during our crrent 'racist' times has been completely unremarkable. It's all hype.

 

[Shikima]

Does anybody know more details about job opportunities in the mid east?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=middle+east+physician+job+opportunities

 

[OldPsychDoc]

A mental health professional should probably develop a thicker skin, understand the phenomenon of social contagion as it applies to experience of trauma/victimization, and maybe also use some cognitive reframing.

I'm not Muslim but am more often assumed to be that than my actual religion (Hindu). I lived in the Northeast and UK in the years after 9/11 and hvae lived in the midwest for most of the last 10 years. My experience aftr 9/11 absoltely represented considerable antiimmigrant feeling. My experience during our crrent 'racist' times has been completely unremarkable. It's all hype.

All hype until some drunken racist with a gun gets involved, anyway....
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...n-american-victims-get-out-of-my-country.html

 

[singasongofjoy]

You might face more discrimination in a country where you're not a citizen than one you are. You may end up trading the pros and cons here for different pros and cons in another country. I would suggest areas in the US with higher populations of communities with your religion and ethnicity, such as California, New York, Illinois, New Jersey, Indiana, Michigan, and maybe Maryland. Washington and Oregon may work too but they are probably not as diverse as some of these other places, but definitely liberal

Indiana?

 

[michaelrack]

I'll name a few of the numerous Abu Dhabi benefits that you won't find in Trump's America:

Alcohol consumption license required for drinking.
Women must apply for an alcohol license under their husband's name.
No alcohol for Muslims.
No miniskirts.
Hugging, kissing, or handholding in public is illegal. Jail for lesbians who do so.

how hard is it to get an alcohol consumption license in Abu Dhabi?

 

[clausewitz2]

how hard is it to get an alcohol consumption license in Abu Dhabi?

Have known a lot of people who live in the Emirates. It is really not hard to drink there, I promise. Even if one particular emirate has strict rules, the country is not that big and there are basically six other major polities not far away!

 

[smalltownpsych]

All hype until some drunken racist with a gun gets involved, anyway....
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...n-american-victims-get-out-of-my-country.html

That guy has to get some kind of award for ***** of the year or something. This is the kind of guy that gives drunken idiots a bad name. When I get people like him walking into my office, or I should say sent by someone who thinks they could really use some therapy, I really just want to throw them out. Is that wrong of me?
I imagine his hygiene and personality match his good looks and intellect. Thankfully, he will most likley be where he belongs until he is dead.

 

[Candidate2017]

All hype until some drunken racist with a gun gets involved, anyway....
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...n-american-victims-get-out-of-my-country.html

It is hype. An Indian or Muslim person (or anyone in general) is far and away much more likely to be shot by a black person with an illegal gun than by a drunken white person with a legal gun in flyover land. Urban elitists like to ignore the daily jungle of violence just outside their bubble while feeling entitled to condemn broad swaths of flyover land with stories that fit the narrative.

 

[Candidate2017]

how hard is it to get an alcohol consumption license in Abu Dhabi?

You're good to go if you're not an unmarried female and a nonbeliever.

 

[st2205]

All hype until some drunken racist with a gun gets involved, anyway....
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...n-american-victims-get-out-of-my-country.html

Anecdotes make the best generalizations. Just ask Muslims.

 

[Bartelby]

It is hype. An Indian or Muslim person (or anyone in general) is far and away much more likely to be shot by a black person with an illegal gun than by a drunken white person with a legal gun in flyover land. Urban elitists like to ignore the daily jungle of violence just outside their bubble while feeling entitled to condemn broad swaths of flyover land with stories that fit the narrative.

It's true that the odds of being murdered in public because of your religion are extremely low here. I think what is unsettling about current times is that the main concern is not from some random drunk guy in a bar, but from the President and his administration (one of whom was an executive chair of Breitbart news). The guy in the bar can shoot a few people and get locked up for life, but the President can sign an executive order and bar a tremendous number of people from seeing their families overseas or re-entering the country until the ban is lifted. The ban was written such that if the administration feels it is not getting enough cooperation from the listed governments, the ban does not have to go away in 90 days. And since at least 1975, people coming here from those countries have caused zero terror-related deaths (see the CATO institute analysis), which should raise some eyebrows about the claims that it was essential to enact this ban immediately and in secret.

And this all took place just weeks after Trump took office. We can expect four to eight more years of this.

People can keep telling themselves that those who are affected by the ban (unable to have family come and visit here, or unable to leave the country and re-enter, possibly indefinitely) are just thin-skinned and have no real reason to be upset. I think affected individuals have been given plenty of reason to worry.