Happiest PM&R Residents

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I have a clerkship exam tomorrow, so naturally I'm thinking about my rank list. One thing I was thinking about was how happy the residents are at different programs, and and thought it'd be worthwhile for all us applicants (and residents, etc.) to share where we thought the happiest PM&R residents reside. Granted, yes, the unhappiest PM&R is probably still happier than the average resident in another field--how could they not?

Personally, I felt UC Davis and MCW residents bordered on the "what did they eat for breakfast!" happy, followed very closely by UCLA and Mayo.

Other programs I interviewed at still had happy residents (though some programs I only met a few residents), but almost all the residents I met at the above programs (and I met just about all of them) seemed extremely happy.

What do others think?
 
3-4 years of training vs 30-40 years of work
consider where happiness is more important and choose your career path appropriately
 
Glad to hear the WFMC residents came off happy. I can tell you this is genuine. I remember thinking people in Milwaukee were super scary happy when I interviewed as well.
 
3-4 years of training vs 30-40 years of work
consider where happiness is more important and choose your career path appropriately

I agree--I'm only asking about people's opinions regarding just this one area. There are plenty of other threads about prestige of particular programs, as well as the strengths of their curriculums, etc. Resident happiness, albeit important, is just one of many things that factor in to how I am going to rank a program. I just thought current and future applicants could benefit from sharing opinions.
 
The question is a reasonable one. And as you said, it's obviously one aspect of a multifaceted decision. Getting in the habit of making decisions that bring you and your family happiness is wise. Of course, what supports happiness will be different for different people. For most of us, we want good training, and getting it will make us happy with our residency decision - regardless of the name of the sponsoring institution. If you get a vibe of happy residents or unhappy residents, it probably tells you a little something about the program.

Gauss's concern seems to be based in the notion that being happy during residency somehow isn't compatible with good training. But I think the opposite is true.
 
3-4 years of training vs 30-40 years of work
consider where happiness is more important and choose your career path appropriately

I have to respectfully disagree with Gauss and respectfully agree with prof moriarity

When I interviewed, I found a lot of programs that were excellent that just wouldn't fit my personal learning style or professional goals. I think asking where people thought residents were happy is great, but you also have to take that with a grain of salt.

When I interviewed, I had many people tell me at the sit down lunches or dinners how happy they were or how they had the best training, but often if I got one resident or two alone I would hear about how the cost of living stunk and how they had to cram their SO or kids into a tiny apartment (many of the east coast program residents said this). For many of them, they were still happy because they really liked their program or they were close to family or friends for support, which offset the negative. Some if them were not happy because they were poor far from friends and family and working their butts off in a less than supportive learning environment.

My point is happiness is in the eye of the beholder. Personally, I chose my program because I knew it had a very collegial supportive atmosphere from the other pmr residents and pmr fellows (pain peds and sports), and very supportive staff. I rotated at my top three places so I knew what I was going to get, and I knew people were happy.

Many people in my program are from other countries (Canada Venezuela China Haitiand Arkansas (j/k) to name a few) . In all seriousness, we have had residents and fellows from New York Utah Colorado Arkansas Tennessee Michigan Illinois Missouri Nebraska Connecticut Wyoming Indiana plus some homers from MN, all who have found happiness at our program because of the quality of the atmosphere and training.

I found very few programs that were so diverse, with such a collegial atmosphere, and amazing training. IMHO there probably were like 5 in the 20 places I interviewed. The only slight to my program for my wife and I was being 8-11 hours from
Family. However, this hasn't detracted from our happiness, because the training and supportive atmosphere is worth that sacrifice.

Happiness can be training in the place that offers the best training, nicest staff and residents, or is close to home family and friends. Some people are lucky to find all of these. However, happiness is a choice and you have to choose the circumstances that you see making you the happiest.

No should choose a program just because the residents seemed happy, but if the residents are mostly happy getting good training and being supported by each other and the staff, I think you have a winning combination.
 
You do realize that they limit your interactions to selected residents when you go there, right?

The unhappy residents aren't invited to meet the interviewees (or have students rotate with them). They are discouraged from coming to lunch or even cleverly shipped off.
 
You do realize that they limit your interactions to selected residents when you go there, right?

The unhappy residents aren't invited to meet the interviewees (or have students rotate with them). They are discouraged from coming to lunch or even cleverly shipped off.

I will definitely second that. I've been to a couple interviewees where I didnt meet with any of the current residents besides the chiefs (1 interviewed me, the other gave the tour). When one of the chiefs called the other residents to come have lunch, no one showed. Then, on the tour we saw the residents hiding in the PT and OT gyms having lunch with each other. That definitely does not say good things about that program.
 
You do realize that they limit your interactions to selected residents when you go there, right?

The unhappy residents aren't invited to meet the interviewees (or have students rotate with them). They are discouraged from coming to lunch or even cleverly shipped off.

Hopefully this only at some programs Paddington interviewed at or is currently associated with. I can tell you I don't think many PM&R programs have to hide any of their residents from applicants.

Often times not every resident can be pulled from clinical duties or may be on an away rotation (at my program anywhere from 1-2 residents rotate away at our Jacksonville or Arizona sites month to month). Also, at our interview dates you will eat dinner the night before with four different residents than the four you eat lunch with on interview day. By that time you would have met 66% of the residents or more ( class size 7-8 depending on year) you also will meet most everyone else that isn't away at other sites on the tour. Plus, if there is a specific resident you want to talk to for various reasons this would happily be arranged.

I am sure most other top tier PMR residency programs function similar to this. If not they probably do have something to hide.
 
I've been fortunate that almost all of the interviews I've been on I've met at least 3/4ths of the current residents. But I agree that if you are only meeting a few residents, it's a big warning flag.
 
Ok--time to get this thread more upbeat. Here's a few positive tidbits about the programs I interviewed at. Regardless of their prestige or location on my rank list, they all had something wonderful about them. I believe if you search for happiness, you'll find it. I do believe a program has a lot to do with the happiness levels of the residents, but even more important is finding happiness wherever you go. So here's the happiness I found at various programs, in alphabetical order.

Kessler: We treated the Man of Steel. Beat that. Seriously...
Loyola: The happiest pain doctor I've ever met. How many pain doctors truly, and I mean truly, love their job? I've met a lot, and none were as happy as he is.
Marianjoy: Have you ever seen a rehab hospital on a property you can meditate at?
Mayo: When residents living in the middle of farmland are this happy, you know it's a good program. Not that the name gives it away...
MCW: Best beer of any reception. Also the only reception that served beer... Insanely happy residents/faculty.
Rush: Ever been to an exclusive country club type restaurant in a hospital? Now you have!
Stanford: An attending who wrestles/wrestled alligators. SF Bay Area, Nicest VA in the country. Great county hospital. Treat special ops forces. What do you mean you "that's classified?"
UCLA: I used to be a NorCal > SoCal person, but this program easily has the nicest PD of any PM&R program. It's easy to see why the residents are so happy here. People here who are passionate about what they do.
UC Davis: Residents' ability to joke around and get their work done like there's no tomorrow. I never laughed so hard--really, I think I developed a hernia.
UNC: Beautiful rehab floor, beautiful setting, very pleasant program and satisfied residents. Everything just spoke "pleasant and relaxed." How can one not be happy with that?
UMN: Probably the the most beautiful and pleasant big city I've ever been in, fantastic VA (seriously, why don't more VAs look like that?), probably the best peds rotation of any program. "Minnesota Nice."
U Wisconsin: An attending who loves the history of medicine, architecture, and astrophysics. Sign me up!
VCU: Dr. Cifu. Need I say more?

Please feel free to contribute your own lighthearted comments about programs' strengths or unique characteristics 🙂
 
The comment from Kessler cracks me up. For various reasons. Institutions like UCLA Stanford Hopkins Harvard and Mayo that take care of slews of famous people everyday and don't likely brag about it on interview day.

Glad to see MCW continuing the Wisconsin tradition still.

Just to clarify the farm country comment, as Rochester is the third largest city in mn...not like its Chicago....but it's not small like.... however lots of my patients are IA ND SD MN NE farmers. I'd take ten of them over a nut like CR any day
 
Hehe, sorry about the Mayo comment. Yes, it is a surprisingly metropolitan city, and in my honest opinion, the ideal size for a city. I'm not much for big cities (cough:: chicago, NY...)--I need to be able to get away from the city and out in the open, and my farmland comment was in reference to one of the Mayo residents joking about how the city of Rochester was surrounded by cornfields, in comparison to other cities, which are generally just surrounded by more big cities.
 
Hehe, sorry about the Mayo comment. Yes, it is a surprisingly metropolitan city, and in my honest opinion, the ideal size for a city. I'm not much for big cities (cough:: chicago, NY...)--I need to be able to get away from the city and out in the open, and my farmland comment was in reference to one of the Mayo residents joking about how the city of Rochester was surrounded by cornfields, in comparison to other cities, which are generally just surrounded by more big cities.

No worries. It's true I have a cornfield on my backyard practically. If you are looking for cosmopolitan it really is not here but we are close enough to Twin cities to have everything in range. I just don't want to scare off all the residents from bigger cities...
 
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