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Since it looks like things are going to slow to a crawl here over the next week or so, I just wanted to wish everyone a happy holiday and good health, happiness and success in the new year! Congratulations to everyone with As, and good luck to everyone still waiting.

A special shout out to the adcoms who generous share their wisdom, insight and unique insider knowledge with us (over and over again!), and also to the residents and med students who also share their unique experiences with us. I know that I will be a much stronger candidate armed with everything I picked up here than I would be otherwise, so thanks to everyone, including my fellow premeds!!! 🙂
 
Since it looks like things are going to slow to a crawl here over the next week or so, I just wanted to wish everyone a happy holiday and good health, happiness and success in the new year! Congratulations to everyone with As, and good luck to everyone still waiting.

A special shout out to the adcoms who generous share their wisdom, insight and unique insider knowledge with us (over and over again!), and also to the residents and med students who also share their unique experiences with us. I know that I will be a much stronger candidate armed with everything I picked up here than I would be otherwise, so thanks to everyone, including my fellow premeds!!! 🙂
I thought you applied for current cycle.
 
Happy holidays 🙂. I hope everyone is silencing their notifications and taking some time to be with their loved ones over the next few days
 
I thought you applied for current cycle.
Not yet!! I still haven't taken the MCAT -- either next year or the year after once I see results. I'm going to try really hard to get it right the first time! 🙂
 
Not yet!! I still haven't taken the MCAT -- either next year or the year after once I see results. I'm going to try really hard to get it right the first time! 🙂
Yeap, that's what I always tell my son, no retakes. if you don't mind telling me, what year are you in college or are you a non-trad? You can PM if you want to 🙂
 
Yeap, that's what I always tell my son, no retakes. if you don't mind telling me, what year are you in college or are you a non-trad? You can PM if you want to 🙂
No, you misunderstood -- I meant I only want to go through one cycle, so I've not only been pushing back taking the MCAT until I'm ready, but I am prepared to push back my cycle if I don't get the score I'm targeting so I can take the test again if necessary. While I certainly don't want to retake the MCAT, what I REALLY don't want to do is be a reapplicant if I can avoid it.
 
No, you misunderstood -- I meant I only want to go through one cycle, so I've not only been pushing back taking the MCAT until I'm ready, but I am prepared to push back my cycle if I don't get the score I'm targeting so I can take the test again if necessary. While I certainly don't want to retake the MCAT, what I REALLY don't want to do is be a reapplicant if I can avoid it.
I understood correctly, that's why I said no retakes (tests) not no reapplies 🙂 so why is it taking longer to take MCAT? (asking with fatherly voice) LOL
 
I understood correctly, that's why I said no retakes (tests) not no reapplies 🙂 so why is it taking longer to take MCAT? (asking with fatherly voice) LOL
Not KnightDoc, but @srk2021 its important to not be overguiding during the process for your son/daughter (going to refer to your child as they). I know your intentions are good-hearted as every parent wants their future doctor to make it in this increasingly-competitive atmosphere. They obviously do not want to take this test twice if they can help it, they obviously don't want to become a reapplicant, and they are working hard in school for their dreams no doubt.

There are a number of reasons why one might take "longer" to take the MCAT. Here are just a few of them:
1) classes in college, making sure most of the important prereqs are done before can give them a good foundation for review with books.
2) proper headspace. they need to be in the right mentality and ready to put friends/activities aside for 2-3 months (which basically means a whole semester) to spend most free time cracking through the books. This is different for every student
3) are they supported enough while at school to take the exam? At school, assuming away from home, they have to deal with food, laundry, chores, driving and other things (school events) that can get in the way of adequate study time. Some students benefit from being at home and having the privilege of their parents help out with those things, put meals on the table etc, while others can see this as a destressing mechanism and a way to vary up their day
4) are they scoring to their liking? its no surprise that the average of the aamc full lengths (if taken at the proper times) is usually around the score they end up getting. They are right in every sense of the word to delay, and "take longer" for the MCAT if they are not scoring where they want to. Its important as a parent to be supportive during this time as they are probably frustrated with themselves like crazy.
5) Tagging off #3, are they in a financial position to remove hours from work if they have to for study hours instead?
6) Do they want to go right into medical school after undergraduate? Will their application be lacking when it comes time? There is no reason to give the exam early if they dont have the volunteer hours, grades, research, extracurriculars, and leadership already in place. The MCAT is very close to last before deciding to apply. This score expires so if they took it, did well, but did not have the extra curriculars in place to have a successful application cycle, they may run the risk of score expiration depending on how long that takes. Planning the exam is key.

Ultimately, when it comes time your son or daughter will know when its right for them to take the exam. Just be supportive along the way, its the biggest test of their life so far (reference). It's okay for yourself to be educated about the process along the way, it leads to you being more understanding, but it can also lead to a parent being overinvolved and micromanaging their child's studying- all with good intention I know. Things can happen on test day too. Your son or daughter can be scoring 520's and then come test day, maybe they get a ****ty CARS section or some obscure formula based passage ends up stumping them and they score abnormally low on a section. That is a common and valid reason for them to retake the exam. My friend had his computer shutdown mid-section and he had to retake.

I hope this doesn't come across as targeting or negatively directed at you because I dont mean that at all. It just really f-ing sucks when a parent is over your shoulder while you're already stressed out about your own stuff. Just be there for your child as a support figure; im sure when they talk to you while studying they dont want to say "Oh I just finished half of uworld now doing my 200 anki reviews on my 60 day streak" they want to talk to you about literally anything else. Im sure they have premed friends that can be a support figure on the studying side, and the internet exists too.

Happy holidays! and best of luck to your son/daughter!

TLDR: they will figure it out, retaking once is fine. It's important to understand that they obviously dont want to retake the exam but sometimes **** happens. There is no correct timeline to becoming a doctor, only a preferred one- and even that varies.
 
Happy happy holidays KnightDoc and everyone in this community 🙂
 
Since it looks like things are going to slow to a crawl here over the next week or so, I just wanted to wish everyone a happy holiday and good health, happiness and success in the new year! Congratulations to everyone with As, and good luck to everyone still waiting.

A special shout out to the adcoms who generous share their wisdom, insight and unique insider knowledge with us (over and over again!), and also to the residents and med students who also share their unique experiences with us. I know that I will be a much stronger candidate armed with everything I picked up here than I would be otherwise, so thanks to everyone, including my fellow premeds!!! 🙂

Happy Holidays to you as well!

No, you misunderstood -- I meant I only want to go through one cycle, so I've not only been pushing back taking the MCAT until I'm ready, but I am prepared to push back my cycle if I don't get the score I'm targeting so I can take the test again if necessary. While I certainly don't want to retake the MCAT, what I REALLY don't want to do is be a reapplicant if I can avoid it.

Good policy, I took the MCAT 3x (got my ish together on the last attempt) and I was a reapplicant, not fun lol. Def do it right the first time
 
Not KnightDoc, but @srk2021 its important to not be overguiding during the process for your son/daughter (going to refer to your child as they). I know your intentions are good-hearted as every parent wants their future doctor to make it in this increasingly-competitive atmosphere. They obviously do not want to take this test twice if they can help it, they obviously don't want to become a reapplicant, and they are working hard in school for their dreams no doubt.

There are a number of reasons why one might take "longer" to take the MCAT. Here are just a few of them:
1) classes in college, making sure most of the important prereqs are done before can give them a good foundation for review with books.
2) proper headspace. they need to be in the right mentality and ready to put friends/activities aside for 2-3 months (which basically means a whole semester) to spend most free time cracking through the books. This is different for every student
3) are they supported enough while at school to take the exam? At school, assuming away from home, they have to deal with food, laundry, chores, driving and other things (school events) that can get in the way of adequate study time. Some students benefit from being at home and having the privilege of their parents help out with those things, put meals on the table etc, while others can see this as a destressing mechanism and a way to vary up their day
4) are they scoring to their liking? its no surprise that the average of the aamc full lengths (if taken at the proper times) is usually around the score they end up getting. They are right in every sense of the word to delay, and "take longer" for the MCAT if they are not scoring where they want to. Its important as a parent to be supportive during this time as they are probably frustrated with themselves like crazy.
5) Tagging off #3, are they in a financial position to remove hours from work if they have to for study hours instead?
6) Do they want to go right into medical school after undergraduate? Will their application be lacking when it comes time? There is no reason to give the exam early if they dont have the volunteer hours, grades, research, extracurriculars, and leadership already in place. The MCAT is very close to last before deciding to apply. This score expires so if they took it, did well, but did not have the extra curriculars in place to have a successful application cycle, they may run the risk of score expiration depending on how long that takes. Planning the exam is key.

Ultimately, when it comes time your son or daughter will know when its right for them to take the exam. Just be supportive along the way, its the biggest test of their life so far (reference). It's okay for yourself to be educated about the process along the way, it leads to you being more understanding, but it can also lead to a parent being overinvolved and micromanaging their child's studying- all with good intention I know. Things can happen on test day too. Your son or daughter can be scoring 520's and then come test day, maybe they get a ****ty CARS section or some obscure formula based passage ends up stumping them and they score abnormally low on a section. That is a common and valid reason for them to retake the exam. My friend had his computer shutdown mid-section and he had to retake.

I hope this doesn't come across as targeting or negatively directed at you because I dont mean that at all. It just really f-ing sucks when a parent is over your shoulder while you're already stressed out about your own stuff. Just be there for your child as a support figure; im sure when they talk to you while studying they dont want to say "Oh I just finished half of uworld now doing my 200 anki reviews on my 60 day streak" they want to talk to you about literally anything else. Im sure they have premed friends that can be a support figure on the studying side, and the internet exists too.

Happy holidays! and best of luck to your son/daughter!

TLDR: they will figure it out, retaking once is fine. It's important to understand that they obviously dont want to retake the exam but sometimes **** happens. There is no correct timeline to becoming a doctor, only a preferred one- and even that varies.
@imbesrs - I am fully aware of the points you noted. @KnightDoc and I have bit of history (over last few months), so it was a playful jab at them, nothing more.

My son is the 5th one in the immediate family (i.e. including my siblings kids) to take MCAT and two kids took too soon and didn't do well. So my mantra always has been (whether SAT/ACT or SAT IIs or MCAT) is don't take the official test until you score slightly above the target score.
 
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@imbesrs - I am fully aware of the points you noted. @KnightDoc and I have bit of history (over last few months), so it was a playful job at them, nothing more.

My son is the 5th one in the immediate family (i.e. including my siblings kids) to take MCAT and two kids took too soon and didn't do well. So my mantra always has been (whether SAT/ACT or SAT IIs or MCAT) is don't take the official test until you score slightly above the target score.
Hahaha i was outta the loop! Cheers and happy holidays
 
I understood correctly, that's why I said no retakes (tests) not no reapplies 🙂 so why is it taking longer to take MCAT? (asking with fatherly voice) LOL
Then I'm not understanding you -- I will retake the test if necessary -- that's why I'm not sure whether or not I'm going to be applying in the next cycle, depending on how the test goes. What I said I'm going to try really hard to get right the first time is the application, not necessarily the test, although, of course, I'm not going to take the test until I feel ready. I'm definitely more afraid of going through more than one application cycle than I am of having to retake the test!! 🙂

It's taking longer because I'm taking the advice of the adcoms who say not to time the test to when you want to apply, but, rather, to apply when everything is ready. I'm going to start studying soon, but, I'm aiming high (as I'm sure your son is as well!), and am willing to put the application off by a year if I have to. I'll take the test this year if I think I'm ready, but if I don't like the result I plan on pushing back my application. (I don't plan on retaking a 517 to shoot for a 520, but would probably retake a 510 if I think, after studying, that I can do significantly better. I would also consider canceling the score if I'm really unhappy with the way the test goes, which would also push the application back a year.)
 
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Then I'm not understanding you -- I will retake the test if necessary -- that's why I'm not sure whether or not I'm going to be applying in the next cycle, depending on how the test goes. What I said I'm going to try really hard to get right the first time is the application, not necessarily the test, although, of course, I'm not going to take the test until I feel ready. I'm definitely more afraid of going through more than one application cycle than I am of having to retake the test!! 🙂

It's taking longer because I'm taking the advice of the adcoms who say not to time the test to when you want to apply, but, rather, to apply when everything is ready. I'm going to start studying soon, but, I'm aiming high (as I'm sure your son is as well!), and am willing to put the application off by a year if I have to. I'll take the test this year if I think I'm ready, but if I don't like the result I plan on pushing back my application. (I don't plan on retaking a 517 to shoot for a 520, but would probably retake a 510 if I think, after studying, that I can do significantly better. I would also consider canceling the score if I'm really unhappy with the way the test goes, which would also push the application back a year.)
Let me rephrase the question, what's preventing you from start studying? 🙂

Happy holidays!
 
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Let me rephrase the question, what's preventing you from start studying? 🙂

Happy holidays!
Has your son really started already???

It honestly never occurred to me to start any earlier. I heard what people here said about risking burnout by starting too soon, and it made sense to me. I also don't honestly think I would retain enough of anything I looked at more than a few months in advance to make it worth the effort.
 
Has your son really started already???

It honestly never occurred to me to start any earlier. I heard what people here said about risking burnout by starting too soon, and it made sense to me. I also don't honestly think I would retain enough of anything I looked at more than a few months in advance to make it worth the effort.
Yes, he started in summer with Anki cards (he found them not me 🙂 ). He used thanksgiving break and studying now in winter break and taking in January.
 
Since it looks like things are going to slow to a crawl here over the next week or so, I just wanted to wish everyone a happy holiday and good health, happiness and success in the new year! Congratulations to everyone with As, and good luck to everyone still waiting.

A special shout out to the adcoms who generous share their wisdom, insight and unique insider knowledge with us (over and over again!), and also to the residents and med students who also share their unique experiences with us. I know that I will be a much stronger candidate armed with everything I picked up here than I would be otherwise, so thanks to everyone, including my fellow premeds!!! 🙂
Very well conveyed! Than you for sharing for all.
 
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Yes, he started in summer with Anki cards (he found them not me 🙂 ). He used thanksgiving break and studying now in winter break and taking in January.
He's waaay ahead of me!!
 
He's waaay ahead of me!!
He sticks to the plan he came up with my input. School has committee letter requirement, so plan is to have everything ready by May 1st. Only missing piece is MCAT. He leaves SDN to me 🙂
 
Has your son really started already???

It honestly never occurred to me to start any earlier
Out of my friend group, some started studying 8 months before the test and others started 2 weeks out. People from each group scored well above the 90th percentile and some also scored sub 500. When you start is based on your assessment of your unique needs so don’t get too stressed out from other people starting their prep before you
 
Did you finish all the required courses? If so, start immediately.
No -- that's the hold up! I'm on the same page as you!! 🙂 I thought your son was not scheduled to take until the spring. It turns out his prep is far ahead of me because his test is far ahead of me!!

I still have a few pre-reqs to go, and, after reading advice here, was never going to attempt the MCAT without them. I'm not a slacker 🙂, but the earliest I could take the test is after next semester, which is what I am shooting for.

Assuming I feel ready to take the test, I will. If not, I'll skip another cycle. I'll also skip the next cycle if I don't like my score. I've learned enough here to realize it's a bad idea to just take a shot with a half baked application to see what happens, with the mindset of reapplying if I don't like the results.
 
No -- that's the hold up! I'm on the same page as you!! 🙂 I thought your son was not scheduled to take until the spring. It turns out his prep is far ahead of me because his test is far ahead of me!!

I still have a few pre-reqs to go, and, after reading advice here, was never going to attempt the MCAT without them. I'm not a slacker 🙂, but the earliest I could take the test is after next semester, which is what I am shooting for. Assuming I feel ready to take the test, I will. If not, I'll skip another cycle. I'll also skip the next cycle if I don't like my score.
Makes sense. He finished all the required classes last semester, that's why taking in Jan. So are you a sophomore?
 
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