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Hello. I am a premed student applying to med school in the upcoming months. I have several schools in mind, but what I wanted to know, if anyone knew, is which schools have the reputation for being the happiest med schools, or having the happiest environment towards their students? I will be thankful if I get in anywhere, so I am willing to go most places. Thus, the main factor I want to consider is how happy are students at certain schools. With the rigors of med school, I really think a nurturing and caring environment towards the students is important. I would like to avoid as much hazing and bullying as possible. I have had a lot of personal issues during undergrad that I am working through, so I wanna give myself the best emotional chances of succeeding in medical school as possible. I am prepared fr academic stress, I know that will happen. I just do not want to end up in a med school that goes out of their way to make their students miserable on top of the normal stresses involved. I have heard lots of horror stories of students who had bad experiences. I would prefer to stay in the Southeast, but I would consider the middle of the country and the Northeast. I really have no desire to go West, as it is a little too far out for me personally. Thank you all for any advice or help, I truly appreciate it.

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Yo! I've been on several interviews this past cycle, and I thnk happiness for most people is very subjective. Each class is diffiferent and each school will have a slightly different environment to them. You also have to consider if you having family nearby is important, what weather you like the best, etc. Out of my interviews, it was CRAZY how amazing Loyola was. Loyola isn't ranked or anything, but I have never seen such a diverse group of students who genuinely loved every day. The complete opposite could be a school like Drexel. When I interviewed at Drexel, I didn't really see many students, those students we saw seemed to want to keep to themselves, and the environment just didn't feel that open. The caveat to all these observations was just that: they're one day interview observations. That's why talking students is so important since they've been there for a a year or two and can give a more candid viewpoint.
 
hmm. that's a good point. is there a different forum i should ask in? and generally what i meant was, do higher ups bully the students and degrade them rather than helping and nurturing their confidence in academia? making them feel like they belong and encouraging good attitudes? i would love a place with good weather, and i dont wanna be near my family. i have a horrible home life and an overbearing, overly-involved mother that I really wanna shake off.
 
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Going to throw a shout out to Dartmouth and mayo for this one. Students when sledding after the interview day at Dartmouth and Minnesota people are just nice in general. I do agree that this is extremely subjective and depends on what you personally think is important to your own happiness. Just read the schools mission and look up the schools social media and photos to see if you think you may be a good fit.
 
Hey OP, thanks for asking this question! Happiness was one of the most important factors for me in picking a school, since I prioritize my mental health and overall well-being over anything else. I was fortunate to receive acceptances to several schools, including most of the "T10" schools. While I don't think anyone should pick a school based purely on ranking or prestige, my experiences at Second Looks convinced me that there are definitely advantages associated with "top" academic schools that translate to overall higher levels of happiness. There are certain factors I think most students would agree contribute to happiness and are not unique to any one school: for example, having unranked P/F is imperative, not only for reducing the stress of classes, but also for eliminating the need for intra-class competition. Optional attendance is also a plus, since you may find that you learn better from watching recordings and reading the texts rather than going to class. Less common factors that stood out to me were having extremely flexible curriculums, longitudinal mentorship, and extracurricular opportunities. I found these advantages to be most obvious at Stanford, which I found to have (by far) the happiest and most well-adjusted students. While I'm certainly biased now, I found Stanford students to be the most well-rounded and personable, while also thriving academically and professionally. Contrary to popular belief, the Stanford curriculum is not based around churning out academic physicians, but rather churning out exceptional, passionate people. The administration will support students in whatever projects they have, as long as they are passionate and serious in their efforts. The faculty and staff seemed genuinely invested in the students' interests, and seemed to be very close with the graduating class. The curriculum is extremely flexible and open: no class on Wednesdays, the option to enroll part time (only class 2 days a week!!), the ability to step into or out of the medical curriculum at any time (within reason), the option to take any other Stanford class (i.e. from the business school, design school, even undergraduate school), and STEP1 can be taken anytime before completing their first year of clerkships. I couldn't find this level of flexibility and personal support anywhere else, even in the "T10". Stanford also doesn't have AOA, so there is no reason to worry about distinguishing yourself from classmates. The prestige of the school essentially ensures a strong match, as long as you put in the work and follow the advice of your advisors (who you start meeting with in your first year). Finally, you can't beat Stanford's weather or the beauty of their campus <3. I know I sound like I'm being paid to peddle Stanford lol, but I truly fell in love with the school.

Stanford sounds amazing. Unfortunately, too amazing for someone like me lol.
 
You really bought into hype on this guy? Might want to take a look at this thread.

That thread just seems like it's full of a bunch of bully keyboard warriors. You can have an opinion as to whether or not it's ok for a resident to express his opinions. You're entitled to that.
However, there is NO reason for you to be ok with Vanderbilt allowing others to belittle this man. Doctors physically assaulting him? Nurses leaving expired milk cartons on his desk? No. Not okay. Speaks volumes about Vandy's administration.

You don't need to buy the hype to realize just how inhumane these people have treated him.
 
Hey OP, thanks for asking this question! Happiness was one of the most important factors for me in picking a school, since I prioritize my mental health and overall well-being over anything else. I was fortunate to receive acceptances to several schools, including most of the "T10" schools. While I don't think anyone should pick a school based purely on ranking or prestige, my experiences at Second Looks convinced me that there are definitely advantages associated with "top" academic schools that translate to overall higher levels of happiness. There are certain factors I think most students would agree contribute to happiness and are not unique to any one school: for example, having unranked P/F is imperative, not only for reducing the stress of classes, but also for eliminating the need for intra-class competition. Optional attendance is also a plus, since you may find that you learn better from watching recordings and reading the texts rather than going to class. Less common factors that stood out to me were having extremely flexible curriculums, longitudinal mentorship, and extracurricular opportunities. I found these advantages to be most obvious at Stanford, which I found to have (by far) the happiest and most well-adjusted students. While I'm certainly biased now, I found Stanford students to be the most well-rounded and personable, while also thriving academically and professionally. Contrary to popular belief, the Stanford curriculum is not based around churning out academic physicians, but rather churning out exceptional, passionate people. The administration will support students in whatever projects they have, as long as they are passionate and serious in their efforts. The faculty and staff seemed genuinely invested in the students' interests, and seemed to be very close with the graduating class. The curriculum is extremely flexible and open: no class on Wednesdays, the option to enroll part time (only class 2 days a week!!), the ability to step into or out of the medical curriculum at any time (within reason), the option to take any other Stanford class (i.e. from the business school, design school, even undergraduate school), and STEP1 can be taken anytime before completing their first year of clerkships. I couldn't find this level of flexibility and personal support anywhere else, even in the "T10". Stanford also doesn't have AOA, so there is no reason to worry about distinguishing yourself from classmates. The prestige of the school essentially ensures a strong match, as long as you put in the work and follow the advice of your advisors (who you start meeting with in your first year). Finally, you can't beat Stanford's weather or the beauty of their campus <3. I know I sound like I'm being paid to peddle Stanford lol, but I truly fell in love with the school.

Wow. Stanford sounds amazing. I am definitely going to be looking into them now. 🙂. What you said is exactly what I want in a medical school! My mental health has taken a turn of late, and so now I am working on improving it and I'm aware of how important it is, so I definitely want to put my own mental health first! And I was going to apply to Vandy as well, but maybe I will try for more T10 schools. I didn't think I was competitive enough to get into them though haha. Vandy was my "shoot for the moon school." I applied there for undergrad but didn't get in, even though I was top 10% of my graduating class at a competitive high school. Then again, the valedictorian didn't get in either, and it was high school, so I guess it doesn't matter haha. So far I am considering Vandy, UAB, UF, USF, UT, Texas A&M, UNC, and USA. And now Stanford 🙂. Thank you so much for this!
 
Going to throw a shout out to Dartmouth and mayo for this one. Students when sledding after the interview day at Dartmouth and Minnesota people are just nice in general. I do agree that this is extremely subjective and depends on what you personally think is important to your own happiness. Just read the schools mission and look up the schools social media and photos to see if you think you may be a good fit.
I will look into both of these!
 
Yo! I've been on several interviews this past cycle, and I thnk happiness for most people is very subjective. Each class is diffiferent and each school will have a slightly different environment to them. You also have to consider if you having family nearby is important, what weather you like the best, etc. Out of my interviews, it was CRAZY how amazing Loyola was. Loyola isn't ranked or anything, but I have never seen such a diverse group of students who genuinely loved every day. The complete opposite could be a school like Drexel. When I interviewed at Drexel, I didn't really see many students, those students we saw seemed to want to keep to themselves, and the environment just didn't feel that open. The caveat to all these observations was just that: they're one day interview observations. That's why talking students is so important since they've been there for a a year or two and can give a more candid viewpoint.
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I interviewed at 10 schools last cycle and the general consensus I came up with is that students are happiest with pass/fail curriculums, and where the administration is willing to listen to student concerns and cares about student wellness. Sounds kind of obvious I know, but you'd be surprised at how supportive some administrations are (one school I interviewed at bought nap pods students could use in the library). Another thing to consider which may make a difference in happiness overall is the frequency of exams. A couple schools I interviewed at had multiple exams in the same week which was stressful for students, while others had exams every two-three weeks which allows for a pretty manageable amount of material, while others had 1 exam per block and students were pretty stress-free during the block itself until the exam came around.

I echo what everyone else is saying though- aside from the things I mentioned above I think it really depends on your personal preferences/learning style and the people you surround yourself with. You will definitely get a better feel for all of these things on interview day as you talk to students! I interviewed at a few places on your list (and will be matriculating at one of them) so feel free to message me if you want!
 
Hello. I am a premed student applying to med school in the upcoming months. I have several schools in mind, but what I wanted to know, if anyone knew, is which schools have the reputation for being the happiest med schools, or having the happiest environment towards their students? I will be thankful if I get in anywhere, so I am willing to go most places. Thus, the main factor I want to consider is how happy are students at certain schools. With the rigors of med school, I really think a nurturing and caring environment towards the students is important. I would like to avoid as much hazing and bullying as possible. I have had a lot of personal issues during undergrad that I am working through, so I wanna give myself the best emotional chances of succeeding in medical school as possible. I am prepared fr academic stress, I know that will happen. I just do not want to end up in a med school that goes out of their way to make their students miserable on top of the normal stresses involved. I have heard lots of horror stories of students who had bad experiences. I would prefer to stay in the Southeast, but I would consider the middle of the country and the Northeast. I really have no desire to go West, as it is a little too far out for me personally. Thank you all for any advice or help, I truly appreciate it.
I strongly suggest that even with your forward looking outlook, that you get your mental health issues 100% under control before embarking on this path.

Medical school is a furnace, and I've seen it break even healthy students. The #1 reason my school loses students to withdrawal, dismissal or LOA is to unresolved mental health issues.
 
I strongly suggest that even with your forward looking outlook, that you get your mental health issues 100% under control before embarking on this path.

Medical school is a furnace, and I've seen it break even healthy students. The #1 reason my school loses students to withdrawal, dismissal or LOA is to unresolved mental health issues.
Guess I am screwed then. :scared:
 
But you get a free T shirt at interview day. Never turn down a shirt you can use for yard work.

Im all for free stuff always lol
I did throw the shirt Geisinger gave me in the garbage when they rejected me..

But im an XS. Nothing fits.

But despite my tangent there, i dont feel like I am held back by Drexel, despite the “Caribbean of the US” notion on SDN.
 
Im all for free stuff always lol
I did throw the shirt Geisinger gave me in the garbage when they rejected me..

But im an XS. Nothing fits.

But despite my tangent there, i dont feel like I am held back by Drexel, despite the “Caribbean of the US” notion on SDN.
Drexel is not the Caribbean of the US!
 
Yeah Drexel is perfectly fine for a lower tier school. They just don't make student wellness a priority.

Avoid LECOM Erie if you want a school to actually care about you. Great board scores but all my friends that go there say it's like being sentenced to prison for 4 years.
 
Yeah Drexel is perfectly fine for a lower tier school. They just don't make student wellness a priority.

Avoid LECOM Erie if you want a school to actually care about you. Great board scores but all my friends that go there say it's like being sentenced to prison for 4 years.

I disagree. But to each his own.
 
I don't know your qualifications @fantastic1712 but I'd base your application list on where you're likeliest to be accepted, then consider the happiness question among those schools where you have interviewed. As has been stated, happiness and fit are very subjective, so one student's paradise might be your own personal he!!.

I would like to echo the 'frequency and scope of testing' metric as an important consideration though.
 
I don't know your qualifications @fantastic1712 but I'd base your application list on where you're likeliest to be accepted, then consider the happiness question among those schools where you have interviewed. As has been stated, happiness and fit are very subjective, so one student's paradise might be your own personal he!!.

I would like to echo the 'frequency and scope of testing' metric as an important consideration though.
I mean, as long as my MCAT is good, I think I can get into lower tier schools. My GPA is 4.0 and science is a 3.98 so far and I have clubs and extracurricular and shadowing and service under my belt. 6 good rec letters and what I think is a good personal statement. I'd say Vandy I'm least likely to get into and any other mid to upper tier med school. Just because I do not think I am competitive enough for that, but I am trying to be confident and at least try. But happiness is important to me, maybe it is not as important for others but they are probably better off than me from the get-go.
 
I think a major correlation lies in class size. The fewer the students, in general the happier they are. Administrations have more time and money invested per student at smaller schools, and they can more effectively help students out and improve happiness.

There's a state program in particular that's fairly large, and I probably wouldn't be applying there if they didn't interview so many in-state applicants. The administration there has a reputation for being disorganized and impersonal.
 
Drexel is not the Caribbean of the US!

As you can see from comment above, it seems to be the thought. Not isolated in anyway.

Just sucks because I don’t think I am getting a lesser education.
 
As you can see from comment above, it seems to be the thought. Not isolated in anyway.

Just sucks because I don’t think I am getting a lesser education.

There's no doubt Drexel wouldn't be on my list of Happy Med schools, I would still not relegate it to the Caribbean.
 
I think a major correlation lies in class size. The fewer the students, in general the happier they are. Administrations have more time and money invested per student at smaller schools, and they can more effectively help students out and improve happiness.

There's a state program in particular that's fairly large, and I probably wouldn't be applying there if they didn't interview so many in-state applicants. The administration there has a reputation for being disorganized and impersonal.

I actually disagree with this based on my personal experiences during interviews, just to show OP that it really depends on who you are/what you like. I interviewed at a really small program and hated it because I didn't find the class to be diverse enough and because the class was so small, they had tons of PBL and other mandatory group things that didn't allow the students much time to study outside of class which in this case = unhappy/stressed students. That program actually had the fewest resources available to students out of all of the ones I interviewed at. Obviously not the case everywhere and I totally get what altblue is saying in terms of the administration being more invested in students, but that didn't seem to be the case at the smaller programs I interviewed at. I went to a huge university for undergrad found that I personally dislike smaller class sizes so I would have been more unhappy in a smaller program. Again- totally depends on who you are and what you like and what your learning style is!
 
Dartmouth!!! The students I met during my interview day were some of the most chill/least stressed medical students I've ever met.

I actually really liked Drexel! My student interviewer told me that compared to the other Philly schools, Drexel has a reputation of being the most "relaxing" med school.
 
Dartmouth!!! The students I met during my interview day were some of the most chill/least stressed medical students I've ever met.

I actually really liked Drexel! My student interviewer told me that compared to the other Philly schools, Drexel has a reputation of being the most "relaxing" med school.

I LOVED Dartmouth. I got waitlisted so it wasn’t meant to be.

And my classmates sure seem to agree. Constant social activity going on
 
I'm also going to have to disagree with the notion that small class size = better attention from the admin/faculty. The important part is just how open/available the admin try to be or how willing they are to adjust the curriculum and school environment based on the suggestions of the students. You can have a small 40 people class but if your lecturers don't respond to your emails or the dean prioritizes meeting with donors or doing admin things vs. meeting with students, then what's the point? If there are plenty of office hours (either drop-in or by appointment) or easy ways to get a hold of the dean, admin and faculty via email or phone, it really shouldn't be an issue. A proactive student government that represent the student body in weekly or monthly meetings with the admin and faculty is also a way to effectively reach out if y'all do have a huge class.

Also, webcasted lectures, dead week before Friday tests, P/F MCQ tests, lots of events with free food = very happy student body
 
I actually disagree with this based on my personal experiences during interviews, just to show OP that it really depends on who you are/what you like. I interviewed at a really small program and hated it because I didn't find the class to be diverse enough and because the class was so small, they had tons of PBL and other mandatory group things that didn't allow the students much time to study outside of class which in this case = unhappy/stressed students. That program actually had the fewest resources available to students out of all of the ones I interviewed at. Obviously not the case everywhere and I totally get what altblue is saying in terms of the administration being more invested in students, but that didn't seem to be the case at the smaller programs I interviewed at. I went to a huge university for undergrad found that I personally dislike smaller class sizes so I would have been more unhappy in a smaller program. Again- totally depends on who you are and what you like and what your learning style is!
I learn well by practicing in class and being hands on with material. I went to a small high school and a big undergrad, so I am not sure what I like best. I think I drift more towards smaller?
 
Going to throw a shout out to Dartmouth and mayo for this one. Students when sledding after the interview day at Dartmouth and Minnesota people are just nice in general. I do agree that this is extremely subjective and depends on what you personally think is important to your own happiness. Just read the schools mission and look up the schools social media and photos to see if you think you may be a good fit.

Dartmouth!!! The students I met during my interview day were some of the most chill/least stressed medical students I've ever met.

I actually really liked Drexel! My student interviewer told me that compared to the other Philly schools, Drexel has a reputation of being the most "relaxing" med school.

I LOVED Dartmouth. I got waitlisted so it wasn’t meant to be.

And my classmates sure seem to agree. Constant social activity going on

Surprised to read these! Based on my Dartmouth interview day I ranked them dead last on the student happiness section of my excel tracker (n=12ish) Crazy how much stock we put into our single-day, highly insulated experience.
 
Surprised to read these! Based on my Dartmouth interview day I ranked them dead last on the student happiness section of my excel tracker (n=12ish) Crazy how much stock we put into our single-day, highly insulated experience.

Completely agree.
I always caution applicants if they’re interviewing when a class is having an exam soon. We tend to be grumps the closer they get.
 
Completely agree.
I always caution applicants if they’re interviewing when a class is having an exam soon. We tend to be grumps the closer they get.
Yeah there was an upcoming exam for the 1st and 2nd years. But the 4th year tour guide was on her phone the whole time and eventually just told us to walk ourselves around cause she had to stay on top of her inbox for potential residency invites. The foliage was lovely though!
 
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