Harvard Cambridge versus Longwood versus Montefiore/Einstein

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Please help me deciding! I loved all three of these programs and still didn't come to a decision. I mostly want to hear what are some of the objective factors. The personal factors that would go into this decision are complicated, with a possible preference for Montefiore's location. Any input would be appreciated. I want to know if the training level and the opportunitis for success are different.
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Please help me deciding! I loved all three of these programs and still didn't come to a decision. I mostly want to hear what are some of the objective factors. The personal factors that would go into this decision are complicated, with a possible preference for Montefiore's location. Any input would be appreciated. I want to know if the training level and the opportunitis for success are different.
Thanks! 🙂

This might be a more productive question, and you might be able to get more responses from people on SDN, if you actually treated this like a consult: what did you love about these 3 programs, what do you see as the pros/cons of each, and what do you see as the 'objective' factors?

-AT.
 
You also might find folks more willing to share opinions with you if you take the 10 or 15 minutes to post your reviews of each program on the Interview Review Thread that was set up for this purpose.

Next year, when psych prospects are deciding where to apply or interview, they'll be searching that thread and reading over reviews of possible programs. It's extremely helpful.

Otherwise, folks popping up on the Psych Forum without any history is akin to a neighbor you've never met before suddenly stopping by and asking for a cup of sugar.
 
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Longwood:
pros: diverse faculty interests and diverse education, the nicest residents ever, incredible resources in my specific area of research interest, and great hospitals that they rotate at: BID and Brigham Womens with exposure to the most varied patients population; a very good gut feeling for me personally during visit.

cons: they overemphasize CL psych which is not my strongest passion, and hours are more intense than Cambridge and Monte; location would require a commute for me; do not seem as family-friendly as the other two programs i am considering.

Monte:
pros: strong emphasis on personal growth and making space for that by not overworking the residents; emphasis on psychotherapy (is it so or is it just the old reputation); location works for my family reasons; program is very family-friendly, I personally had a good gut feeling in terms of the residents and how I fit. The program also gave me an impression of freedom of thought, and the chair of the dept is amazing, he wrote several books how to live a happy life;

cons: all three PDs are analysts and all faculty seems to be older so I am not sure the program is diverse enought and is moving forward, would be nice to hear if it's true or not; the location is not the best (although not a ghetto); population is almost exclusively lower class/hispanic/AA so not much of a diversity of pts; my concern is that the residents haven't impressed me as much as the Cambridge residents by their caliber however can't say anything negative about them, they were great! Not sure if this program has less of a reputation/prestige than the other two and their overall training is the same caliber as Cambridge and Longwood

Cambridge
pros: love the location and it would mean less commute for me; the residents have impressed me with how smart they are. The program directors are great; the psychotherapy training is strong; the working environment in a smaller Harvard-affiliated community hospital appeals to me and has a cozy feel, they do train many Harvard med students there so I am sure faculty is superb.

cons: a smaller Harvard-affiliated community hospital would probably give less diverse clinical training than that of the Longwood facilities BID/BWH, or Montefiore which is the main big teaching hospital of Einstein; the residents at Cambridge seemed so smart that it was even intimidating; they didn't seem as warm as the Longwood ones.

What do you think? Any input would be great!
 
Longwood:


cons: they overemphasize CL psych which is not my strongest passion, and hours are more intense than Cambridge and Monte; location would require a commute for me; do not seem as family-friendly as the other two programs i am considering.

Given my usual disclosure that I am a (very happy) Longwood alum and fairly biased in their favor, I just wanted to address these "cons":

Not sure that CL is overemphasized (though then again, I went there to do CL and am a CL doc) - 6 months of halftime CL figures out to 3 months over 4 years, which is barely more than the 2 months mandated by the ACGME.

A commute is a commute - but Boston is a fairly commuter friendly city with the expansiveness of the T. BWH and BIDMC both operate various employee shuttles around the city.

I honestly cannot imagine how a program can be more family friendly than Longwood. A lot of my colleagues had kids in the course of the program and took advantage of the guaranteed 3 months maternity OR paternity leave (including for adoptions). The PD is very flexible in terms of accomodating leaves, rescheduling rotations, letting folks go half-time, etc.

Can't argue with the number of hours in PGY-1 (but this will change with the new duty hours) and PGY-2 (though I've heard they're much better than back when I was there). I will say that I am thankful for how busy/intense the ED coverage was every time I have a busy/complicated day as an attending. My goal as a resident was to see "at least one of everything" with supervision, so I wouldn't be flustered as an attending without supervision. From that perspective (and many others) Longwood more than met my needs.

One final thing - always trust your gut. To quote George Murray - "limbic music never lies."
 
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