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👎Honestly, I don't like it. Far too crude and infantile, esp the toilet scene at the end. If that is how they really are there, I am more glad than ever I made a conscious decision not to apply there. Gross and self-deprecating to the point of if they have any shame in 40 years they'll look back on that and be embarrassed.

Not to mention all that precious time they obviously less than wasted of their lives and dental school reputation.
 
Bobby Fischer said:
👎Honestly, I don't like it. Far too crude and infantile, esp the toilet scene at the end. If that is how they really are there, I am more glad than ever I didn't apply there. Gross and self-deprecating to the point of if they have any shame in 40 years they'll look back on that and be embarrassed.
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Horrible way to represent the profession. I can't believe no one spoke out against this during the production.
 
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Horrible way to represent the profession. I can't believe no one spoke out against this during the production.
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Agreed: no exceptions. Seems more and more evidence mounts daily to support the notion that these so-called 'elite' schools are hardly exceptional...'exceptionally childish' perhaps.

Its one thing to be in school, be immature in one's early 20s, naturally, and be on a sincere quest to find oneself and make some silly immature mistakes and displays of ignorance, naivete, awkwardness from time to time.

This video goes way beyond that. What's more: it documents this childish self-debasement for as long as the internet shall live. Guess the interview process at Harvard, etc is a big FAIL in terms of weeding out the nitwits, and a massive WIN for weeding them in.:laugh:
 
Shame really that they don't get any true dance clinic experience until 3rd year. It's painfully obvious in the video.
 
Bobby Fischer said:
👎Honestly, I don't like it. Far too crude and infantile, esp the toilet scene at the end. If that is how they really are there, I am more glad than ever I made a conscious decision not to apply there. Gross and self-deprecating to the point of if they have any shame in 40 years they'll look back on that and be embarrassed.

Not to mention all that precious time they obviously less than wasted of their lives and dental school reputation.
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Couldn't have said it better myself. 100% agreed
 
Haha anyone hating on this video is taking themselves too seriously. The students and faculty at HSDM were outgoing and fun when I interviewed there and this just proves it further to me!
 
The original "Gangnam style" is about having money, dressing in ridiculous clothes, living the insane lifestyle, having all kinds of "stuff", partying, etc... etc.. that was the reason this video was made this way.. it's a PARODY!!! The original was made to be funny, catchy, ridiculous, entertaining.. Some of you people are insane, just take it at face value and stop being so serious.

WHY SO SERIOUS???
 
A lot of toilet humor. Probably fitting if teenagers were their audience. It was a little funny but the laugh wasn't worth the negative image they portrayed of dentists. Oh wells. :shrug:
 
yo seriously why are so many people hating this was pretty hilarious. this definitely disproves the cliche about harvard dental students.
 
kpanesar said:
yo seriously why are so many people hating this was pretty hilarious. this definitely disproves the cliche about harvard dental students.
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LET ME GUESS...
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...its your video.:meanie:
 
UCSFx2016 said:
A lot of toilet humor. Probably fitting if teenagers were their audience. It was a little funny but the laugh wasn't worth the negative image they portrayed of dentists. Oh wells. :shrug:
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I don't appreciate toilet humor, so to me the video was okay until then.
 
Bobby Fischer said:
Agreed: no exceptions. Seems more and more evidence mounts daily to support the notion that these so-called 'elite' schools are hardly exceptional...'exceptionally childish' perhaps.

Its one thing to be in school, be immature in one's early 20s, naturally, and be on a sincere quest to find oneself and make some silly immature mistakes and displays of ignorance, naivete, awkwardness from time to time.

This video goes way beyond that. What's more: it documents this childish self-debasement for as long as the internet shall live. Guess the interview process at Harvard, etc is a big FAIL in terms of weeding out the nitwits, and a massive WIN for weeding them in.:laugh:
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This post reeks of bitterness.

Don't you think its extremely hypocritical to call these students "immature / childish" when you're actively **** talking them on an internet forum? It absolutely blows my mind that you just labeled an entire school + other "elite" schools (who have NOTHING to with the video) over a 5 minute parody that ~12 students made.
 
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People ask me why I turned down Harvard to go to my current dental school. From now on I'll probably show them this video. That was lame, obnoxious, and cliche as hell.
 
kpanesar said:
yo seriously why are so many people hating this was pretty hilarious. this definitely disproves the cliche about harvard dental students.
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What cliche? That they're humble, service-minded, non-conformist, classy, non-Asian people?
 
I might have liked it better if they had sung it in Korean 😛 Because man...that WAS obnoxious.
 
Incredibly tacky. I would expect that more from a high school student than someone in a premier dental school.
 
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relax grandpa, you must be extremely socially disabled not having a sense of humour
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Hey now you young whippersnappers!

Actually now, your post was clever (the relax grandpa part)

I am not socially disabled at all: many close friends and good family surround me.

I just do not appreciate undignified displays of potty and sexual humor, and I speak up against depravity, debauchery (somebody has to per Kant's Categorical Imperative). My 7 and 5 year old think potty humor is funny. But even their way of joking is more dignified, clever than that. Odds are that they will grow out of it and find more appropriate, decent, ennobling ways of finding humor in life. At 20+??? Society is generally becomming much less civilized, more crude and basic by the day. This idea is not funny nor clever.

Dentists really ought to be more noble and dignified than that video demonstrates. Dentists hold a special place of trust with 'the public'. Dentists and Dental students ought to be examples of ennobling, enlightening our community, society, etc. Not rolling around in the intellectual and moral bankruptcy mud with the rest of a pointless idiocracy.
 
This topic is great. For one it makes me proud to be a part of the pre-dent community, because there are at least some people who are mature, professional, and morally disciplined.

On the other hand, it's comical seeing a sizable portion of the other group. It seems we have reached a point where there are two groups of people here: Those who have already grown up, and those who are still college-aged children.
 
Bobby Fischer said:
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Hey now you young whippersnappers!

Actually now, your post was clever (the relax grandpa part)

I am not socially disabled at all: many close friends and good family surround me.

I just do not appreciate undignified displays of potty and sexual humor, and I speak up against depravity, debauchery (somebody has to per Kant's Categorical Imperative). My 7 and 5 year old think potty humor is funny. But even their way of joking is more dignified, clever than that. Odds are that they will grow out of it and find more appropriate, decent, ennobling ways of finding humor in life. At 20+??? Society is generally becomming much less civilized, more crude and basic by the day. This idea is not funny nor clever.

Dentists really ought to be more noble and dignified than that video demonstrates. Dentists hold a special place of trust with 'the public'. Dentists and Dental students ought to be examples of ennobling, enlightening our community, society, etc. Not rolling around in the intellectual and moral bankruptcy mud with the rest of a pointless idiocracy.
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Bobby Fischer said:
Dentists really ought to be more noble and dignified than that video demonstrates. Dentists hold a special place of trust with 'the public'. Dentists and Dental students ought to be examples of ennobling, enlightening our community, society, etc. Not rolling around in the intellectual and moral bankruptcy mud with the rest of a pointless idiocracy.
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Cool it with the self aggrandizement and position worship. Dentists should be enlightening our community? Really? I was not aware of the inherent noble status of various professions. Maybe I just grew up in a crazy world where people are judged by the content of their character and not by their fitting into the outdated paradigms.

Maybe you don't like the humor, maybe you don't like the sexuality, but to act as if these students will not be professional, responsible and mature when they are actually doing their jobs just because their sense of humor when not on the job rubs you the wrong way is incredibly ignorant. It's a prejudgment based on no real information. Believe it or not, integrity is not linked to sense of humor or sexuality, but in how you treat individuals. Integrity is also not linked to professions, just in case you were thinking that.
 
Dorgi said:
Cool it with the self aggrandizement and position worship. Dentists should be enlightening our community? Really? I was not aware of the inherent noble status of various professions. Maybe I just grew up in a crazy world where people are judged by the content of their character and not by their fitting into the outdated paradigms.

Maybe you don't like the humor, maybe you don't like the sexuality, but to act as if these students will not be professional, responsible and mature when they are actually doing their jobs just because their sense of humor when not on the job rubs you the wrong way is incredibly ignorant. It's a prejudgment based on no real information. Believe it or not, integrity is not linked to sense of humor or sexuality, but in how you treat individuals. Integrity is also not linked to professions, just in case you were thinking that.
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Talk to the ADA as well as all dental schools who hold the white coat ceremony and have students recite the Dentist's Pledge about your position, then: "The dental profession holds a special position of trust within society. As a consequence, society affords the profession certain privileges that are not available to members of the public-at-large. In return, the profession makes a commitment to society that its members will adhere to high ethical standards of conduct..."

http://www.ada.org/194.aspx

In regards to your position specific to integrity: review the Dentist's Pledge below.

Furthermore: Dentistry is not, and never will be 'a job'. It is a true profession. Behavior such as displayed in the video would quickly dissolve the foundations of any true profession. I am a licensed _______. This profession has been utterly ruined by the majority of practicing professionals tolerating the notion that 'they are just doing a job' as well as tolerating, generally, undignified behavior in their ranks. If you think you want a job, go to a trade school.

Specific to dentistry and the obligations (NOT 'JOB') of dental students:

White coat ceremony: "WCCs typically address the issue of medical ethics and praise rising students for their success in completing the basic science portion of medicine...a quasi-religious significance, that symbolizes a "conversion" of a lay person into a member of the healthcare profession[2] and is similar to a priest's ordination to priesthood."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_coat_ceremony

e.g.

"...traditional White Coat Ceremonies, where 40 dental and 90 medical students received their white coats and recited either the Dentist's Pledge or the Hippocratic Oath."

http://today.uconn.edu/blog/2012/08/health-center-welcomes-medical-dental-classes-of-2016/

the Dentists Pledge (analogous to the Hippocratic Oath for med doctors):

"The Dentist's Pledge

I, as a member of the dental profession, will keep this pledge and these stipulations.

I understand and accept that my primary responsibility is to my patients, and I shall dedicate myself to render, to the best of my ability, the highest standard of oral health care and to maintain a relationship of respect and confidence. Therefore, let all come to me safe in the knowledge that their total health and well-being are my first considerations.

I shall accept the responsibility that, as a professional, my competence rests on continuing the attainment of knowledge and skill in the arts and sciences of dentistry.

I acknowledge my obligation to support and sustain the honor and integrity of the profession, and to conduct myself in all endeavors such that I shall merit the respect of patients, colleagues and my community. I further commit myself to the betterment of my community for the benefit of all of society.

I shall faithfully observe the Principles of Ethics and Code of Professional Conduct set forth by the profession.

All this I pledge with pride in my commitment to the profession and the public which it serves."

http://www.dentistry.vcu.edu/programs/dds/pledge/

Additionally, surely a reasonable interpretation of the ADA Code of Ethics would preclude such public behavior as is put on shameful display in that video linked in the OP:

http://www.ada.org/1355.aspx

^^ I'm not going to invest the time right now, but c'mon, exercise some reasonable common sense those of you who continue to justify the unjustifiable.

Life is Beautiful. There are plenty of ways to exercise one's funny bone without the debauchery and debasement inherent in potty and sexual humor.👍
 
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Bobby Fischer said:
"The Dentist’s Pledge

I, as a member of the dental profession, will keep this pledge and these stipulations.

I understand and accept that my primary responsibility is to my patients, and I shall dedicate myself to render, to the best of my ability, the highest standard of oral health care and to maintain a relationship of respect and confidence. Therefore, let all come to me safe in the knowledge that their total health and well-being are my first considerations.

I shall accept the responsibility that, as a professional, my competence rests on continuing the attainment of knowledge and skill in the arts and sciences of dentistry.

I acknowledge my obligation to support and sustain the honor and integrity of the profession, and to conduct myself in all endeavors such that I shall merit the respect of patients, colleagues and my community. I further commit myself to the betterment of my community for the benefit of all of society.

I shall faithfully observe the Principles of Ethics and Code of Professional Conduct set forth by the profession.

All this I pledge with pride in my commitment to the profession and the public which it serves."
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All but maybe one line of that has to do with the career of dentistry.. the ACTUAL work of being a dentist. The Ethics and Code of professional conduct does not refer to silly videos made on your free time. It's about treating your patient appropriately such as non-malifacence, veracity, benifecence, patient autonomy and justice.. (which this videos has nothing to do with!!!) It has nothing to do with what a student at a white coat ceremony pledges.. The pledge is to be a good clinician and do right by your patients... The video isn't harming any patients.. or. Maybe I'm wrong, and society is just crumbling....
 
I can't believe all the posts made on this topic. This is completely ridiculous.

Bobby Fisher, chill out! Your arguments make absolutely no sense. Dentistry is not a job, but how does that relate to this video? If you are talking about acting in a professional manner, then they have done nothing wrong. This was outside school and clinic. If you act like a uptight person without a sense of humor, no one will like you - including your patients (I feel like you probably are more of an outcast at your school just having read your comments). Also, you should check out the original PSY video on youtube, and you will see that it is simply a remake.

I talked to the person who was posted the video and apparently the students at HSDM are having a laugh about this thread and how it has become such a big deal. To provide some context about this video, it was part of what they call the "Second Year Show", which is a play put on by second year students from the medical and dental schools. This show mocks professors and the school (pretty harshly and with VERY inappropriate humor) and has been going on for over a 100 years. The video was a portion of the show and includes mostly inside jokes - dentist being able to have a life and make an earning earlier than their medical colleagues.
 
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