Has anyone ever been rejected from all DO schools they applied to?

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I think some people have brought up some good points though, that seriously you could end up with 5 passages of your worst subject or 5 of your best. So again I would seriously stress making sure you take all of your pre-requisites before you take it. Sure some people take it before, and sure some people get lucky and have the starts align so that they get mostly their favorite subject but a lot of the time it is going to hit pretty much everything- which again points back to why it can be challenging.
 
Yeah, sounds easy, but passages are timed. You're under sweat-inducing crunch to not just interpret data, but fully understand and conceptualize the IDEA of what the passage writer wants to relay. Which you have spit back to them when they ask hypothetical questions that involve you thinking of what COULD be written, additionally, or alternative circumstances...
For every softball interpretive data question, expect 2-3 others to which you might wish you had stayed home that day.

Ones ability to read and absorb and understand dense material will be severely tested.

exactly.

speed is the real killer here. Especially for verbal. I was blessed with a decent enough gut instinct I guess that I was able to do average. But I know some very intelligent and hard working people who struggled with the speed. I know a girl (now in med school) who was like 4.0, double major, pubs etc and she admitted to me that she couldnt even finish the verbal section on her actual MCAT and it brought her score down a lot.
You have what like 11 minutes per verbal passage? (I cant remember the exact number) So thats 11 minutes to read an unusually dense and challenging article about something completely random and then within that 11 minutes answer 7 or 8 problems that will have you second guessing on every single one.

Its a tough test to say the least. I am excited for step 1 where I hear its more applicable knowledge- albeit a larger knowledge base (by like 20x).
 
I'll keep that in mind. It seems like the bio section should be easy then, just interpreting graphs and stuff? Also, why does everyone say that the MCAT is so hard? All it seems like to me is just interpreting data, except maybe for the physics stuff you actually have to know how to solve problems. But for verbal and bio, it sounds like all you do is interpret data.

Also dont forget memorizing all of the physics formulas and then learning how to do big boy math without a calculator.
 
VR is 7 passages, so that gives you exactly 8.5 minutes per passage. I don't think an hour of my life has ever gone as quickly as that section of the MCAT

Thats right, gosh how in the world did we do that haha?? Like seriously looking back im like "man 22 year old me mustve had his stuff together when he took it, 23 year old me is reading an article on cnn 3 times and am still confused what its about"
 
Answer to this question is yes. AACOMAS posts statistics on admissions. Roughly 1/4 of those that apply to all osteopathic programs get no acceptance.
 
Thats right, gosh how in the world did we do that haha?? Like seriously looking back im like "man 22 year old me mustve had his stuff together when he took it, 23 year old me is reading an article on cnn 3 times and am still confused what its about"
:laugh: right? The me that took O-chem and the me that studied for the MCAT make current me look like an idiot! haha
 
This is why I think applying broadly is better than applying to what you think is a good fit. Unless you have spoken to an ADCOM, you will never know exactly what a specific school wants.

I have avg stats and places like LECOM-B, WesternU, KCUMB, DMU replied to me before WVSOM and ACOM. LMU hasn't told me anything after 3 months of being complete!

Lets say I had narrowed down my list of schools I thought were a good fit 2 months into the cycle... LECOM-B was grabbing up people with ~30 MCAT so I wouldn't have applied there. WesternU is a great school and their MCAT avg is higher than mine so I wouldn't have applied there. DMU stats are slightly higher so I wouldn't have bothered applying there. The school I thought was my 100% perfect fit ended up giving me my ONLY rejection.

Who knows which school would have accepted me if I had only applied to low/mid tier.

That comment about Lecom - B is so true. Four people on my interview day were MCAT tutors for some big MCAT prep company.
 
I think some people have brought up some good points though, that seriously you could end up with 5 passages of your worst subject or 5 of your best. So again I would seriously stress making sure you take all of your pre-requisites before you take it. Sure some people take it before, and sure some people get lucky and have the starts align so that they get mostly their favorite subject but a lot of the time it is going to hit pretty much everything- which again points back to why it can be challenging.

I know...now having gone through it and standing on the other side, I get irritated when someone sets pre-meds minds in corner-cutting mode by saying "I didn't take OChem-2, and I was just fine." or "I only picked up the MCAT study book a week before the exam and it was no problem."

The outliers that sailed through the eclipse on the 29th of January on the blue moon are not the rule. There are stories and fables of pre-meds past who got in by the skin of their teeth willing to share the amazing encouters - but we hear about them the loudest. Of the 40% of applicants that didn't get accepted who crying softly in the corner, and the majority of them who applied without ever seeing the inside of a hospital, a B or higher on an exam, or who got their only LOR from their aunt we will never hear from.

That was part hyperbole, so don't riot on me. I feel fortuitous to have been accepted myself, even if only to one school thus far. I am trying to point out that when students attempt to aim for a margin that encompasses a small amount, maybe 5% of acceptances, (say MCAT of 22, GPA 2.9 or 3.0) instead of aiming for the larger pool where greater than 50% of acceptances range (say MCAT 26+, GPA 3.4+), they shoot themselves in the foot. Don't try to hit the lotto, so to speak of the odds Go for the majority.
 
I know...now having gone through it and standing on the other side, I get irritated when someone sets pre-meds minds in corner-cutting mode by saying "I didn't take OChem-2, and I was just fine." or "I only picked up the MCAT study book a week before the exam and it was no problem."

The outliers that sailed through the eclipse on the 29th of January on the blue moon are not the rule. There are stories and fables of pre-meds past who got in by the skin of their teeth willing to share the amazing encouters - but we hear about them the loudest. Of the 40% of applicants that didn't get accepted who crying softly in the corner, and the majority of them who applied without ever seeing the inside of a hospital, a B or higher on an exam, or who got their only LOR from their aunt we will never hear from.

That was part hyperbole, so don't riot on me. I feel fortuitous to have been accepted myself, even if only to one school thus far. I am trying to point out that when students attempt to aim for a margin that encompasses a small amount, maybe 5% of acceptances, (say MCAT of 22, GPA 2.9 or 3.0) instead of aiming for the larger pool where greater than 50% of acceptances range (say MCAT 26+, GPA 3.4+), they shoot themselves in the foot. Don't try to hit the lotto, so to speak of the odds Go for the majority.

Heck this is the reason why I even started thinking about DO school. Its like, I am right on the edge of DO/MD. So do I scratch at the cliffs of MD school or do I get to have hopefully a decent shot and maybe even get some choice with DO. I am taking the decent shot pathway and not looking back. Besides, all of the physicans I have shadowed there is NO difference that I could tell. Thats in EM, Ortho, and Peds. Spent time with MDs and DOs in both. They literally do the exact same job.

So for whoever started this whole MCAT thing. Dont take it lightly, dont over stress and freak yourself out. But there should be a healthy respect for a test that will be defining whether or not you will have the chance of becoming a physician.

And emtionality-wise, those people that are like "yea didnt finish pre-reqs and picked up a prep book from like 2004 and still got a 34" Are either liars, gifted, or liars.
 
Heck this is the reason why I even started thinking about DO school. Its like, I am right on the edge of DO/MD. So do I scratch at the cliffs of MD school or do I get to have hopefully a decent shot and maybe even get some choice with DO. I am taking the decent shot pathway and not looking back. Besides, all of the physicans I have shadowed there is NO difference that I could tell. Thats in EM, Ortho, and Peds. Spent time with MDs and DOs in both. They literally do the exact same job.

So for whoever started this whole MCAT thing. Dont take it lightly, dont over stress and freak yourself out. But there should be a healthy respect for a test that will be defining whether or not you will have the chance of becoming a physician.

And emtionality-wise, those people that are like "yea didnt finish pre-reqs and picked up a prep book from like 2004 and still got a 34" Are either liars, gifted, or liars.


Did you get accepted yet?
 
Heck this is the reason why I even started thinking about DO school. Its like, I am right on the edge of DO/MD. So do I scratch at the cliffs of MD school or do I get to have hopefully a decent shot and maybe even get some choice with DO. I am taking the decent shot pathway and not looking back. Besides, all of the physicans I have shadowed there is NO difference that I could tell. Thats in EM, Ortho, and Peds. Spent time with MDs and DOs in both. They literally do the exact same job.

So for whoever started this whole MCAT thing. Dont take it lightly, dont over stress and freak yourself out. But there should be a healthy respect for a test that will be defining whether or not you will have the chance of becoming a physician.

And emtionality-wise, those people that are like "yea didnt finish pre-reqs and picked up a prep book from like 2004 and still got a 34" Are either liars, gifted, or liars.

I can definitely relate to you, as I am also sort of on the border with my stats; I could theoretically get into an MD school, but what if I don't? Would I rather become a physician as a DO or waste one or two or more years of time and money applying MD? That's why I am considering to apply to a mix of MD and DO schools, but now that I think about it, I might actually apply to more DO schools to increase my chances of acceptance. Heck, if I won't get a 27+ on the MCAT, I probably won't even bother applying MD and will stick to DO. Hopefully I will still get a decent MCAT though. The reason I want to take it in the summer before having taken ochem is because I can then retake the same old mcat in january if I do bad.
 
Did you get accepted yet?

Nah applying this cycle. I took the MCAT last May and had my application like half done, had transcripts sent etc but then decided I needed to slow down. I had taken the MCAT, then two weeks later graduated, then two weeks later got married, then two weeks later moved 900 miles away, then about a month later started a pretty intense research job. I just decided to put it off. But its worked out fantastically. I have had more time to really decide on the MD/DO thing (obviously ive chosen full DO as I have eluded to), and had time to shadow more and bolster my application.

At this point though I am ridiculously excited for this next cycle. I just want to get going, I have a good job but still, working AT a medical school reminds me daily what I am missing out on.
 
I can definitely relate to you, as I am also sort of on the border with my stats; I could theoretically get into an MD school, but what if I don't? Would I rather become a physician as a DO or waste one or two or more years of time and money applying MD? That's why I am considering to apply to a mix of MD and DO schools, but now that I think about it, I might actually apply to more DO schools to increase my chances of acceptance. Heck, if I won't get a 27+ on the MCAT, I probably won't even bother applying MD and will stick to DO. Hopefully I will still get a decent MCAT though. The reason I want to take it in the summer before having taken ochem is because I can then retake the same old mcat in january if I do bad.

I can definitely relate as well. When I took the MCAT, I barely studied for it and I never even finished a practice test in one sitting so I didn't do so well. I could of studied harder and retake it but I didn't want to delay another year and I didn't have a dream MD school that I was dying to get into.
 
I can definitely relate as well. When I took the MCAT, I barely studied for it and I never even finished a practice test in one sitting so I didn't do so well. I could of studied harder and retake it but I didn't want to delay another year and I didn't have a dream MD school that I was dying to get into.

What MCAT did you get?
 
I can definitely relate as well. When I took the MCAT, I barely studied for it and I never even finished a practice test in one sitting so I didn't do so well. I could of studied harder and retake it but I didn't want to delay another year and I didn't have a dream MD school that I was dying to get into.

What MCAT did you get?
 
I can definitely relate to you, as I am also sort of on the border with my stats; I could theoretically get into an MD school, but what if I don't? Would I rather become a physician as a DO or waste one or two or more years of time and money applying MD? That's why I am considering to apply to a mix of MD and DO schools, but now that I think about it, I might actually apply to more DO schools to increase my chances of acceptance. Heck, if I won't get a 27+ on the MCAT, I probably won't even bother applying MD and will stick to DO. Hopefully I will still get a decent MCAT though. The reason I want to take it in the summer before having taken ochem is because I can then retake the same old mcat in january if I do bad.

Best way to think of it is in several terms:
1) Every year you are not a doctor you are missing out on at least $150,000. Period. Now I am not all money hungry, but I certainly am tired of being poor as crap.
2) Depending on what you want it may behoove you to be patient and apply MD. Personally The only three specialties I could see myself in is FM, Peds, and mayyyyyybe Ortho. All of which are reasonable to attain (ortho obviously the hardest but there are some solid AOA ortho programs) as a DO.
If you know you want to be a radiation oncologist or a pediatric cardiothoracic surgeon, or possibly even neurosurgeon, or other very rare stuff. Take a gap year (like I am doing), retake the MCAT if need be, do an SMP, get some work experience, something that would make you a stronger candidate for MD. Would being an MD guarantee that you can become those things? Hell no. You would have to still have to freaking kill it and be the top of your class. But getting into programs would be easier as an MD, that much has been discussed time and time again on here.

Depending on what state you live in a 28+ might get you an acceptance (wouldnt say 27 necessarily unless you live in WV or Texas. If you are in CA you are screwed). You can get some in-state favor especially at public schools. They would accept you with slightly lower stats.
For me my AMCAS gpa is 3.38 and sgpa is 3.23 (this is the nail in the coffin for me. I have BOTH a below average gpa and MCAT for almost all allopathic schools).
My AACOMAS gpa is like 3.57 and sgpa is like 3.65 or something (grade replacement and the fact that they dont count math classes really helps)
My state is wisconsin. Sooo I had to make the decision: mayyyyyybe get into one of the Wisconsin schools, which granted, have lower stats (especially for in-state) or be a decent applicant if I go DO. I will be accepted for the AACOMAS FAP (since they dont take into account parent income unless you are dependent). I will NOT be accepted for AMCAS FAP because dependency/independency is not considered in their decision.

So for me it was sort of like everything was lining up. I would say work through some of that stuff and maybe your direction will be more clear. You wont really know though until you take your MCAT. If I busted out like a 33 or something. I would still probably be applying DO, but I would feel more comfortable applying to my two state schools instead of just throwing my money away, which is what I would be doing now if I applied to them.

As for the new/old MCAT. I dont think the new one will be all that bad. People are freaking out about it but the way I look at it is that right now people are like laser focused on how to do well on the current MCAT. There are dozens of books, strategies, prep courses etc. But when the new MCAT comes out it will take a year or two for people to really catch on to the new techniques, so I think it would level the playing field out a bit more, since everyone would be a guinea pig.
 
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Best way to think of it is in several terms:
1) Every year you are not a doctor you are missing out on at least $150,000. Period. Now I am not all money hungry, but I certainly am tired of being poor as crap.
2) Depending on what you want it may behoove you to be patient and apply MD. Personally The only three specialties I could see myself in is FM, Peds, and mayyyyyybe Ortho. All of which are reasonable to attain (ortho obviously the hardest but there are some solid AOA ortho programs) as a DO.
If you know you want to be a radiation oncologist or a pediatric cardiothoracic surgeon, or possibly even neurosurgeon, or other very rare stuff. Take a gap year (like I am doing), retake the MCAT if need be, do an SMP, get some work experience, something that would make you a stronger candidate for MD. Would being an MD guarantee that you can become those things? Hell no. You would have to still be the freaking kill it and be the top of your class. But getting into programs would be easier as an MD.

Depending on what state you live in a 28+ might get you an acceptance (wouldnt say 27 necessarily unless you live in WV or Texas. If you are in CA you are screwed). You can get some in-state favor especially at public schools. They would accept you with slightly lower stats.
For me my AMCAS gpa is 3.38 and sgpa is 3.23 (this is the nail in the coffin for me. I have BOTH a below average gpa and MCAT for almost all allopathic schools).
My AACOMAS gpa is like 3.57 and sgpa is like 3.65 or something (grade replacement and the fact that they dont count math classes really helps)
My state is wisconsin. Sooo I had to make the decision: mayyyyyybe get into one of the Wisconsin schools, which granted, have lower stats (especially for in-state) or be a decent applicant if I go DO. I will be accepted for the AACOMAS FAP (since they dont take into account parent income unless you are dependent). I will NOT be accepted for AMCAS FAP because dependency/independency is not considered in their decision.

So for me it was sort of like everything was lining up. I would say work through some of that stuff and maybe your direction will be more clear. You wont really know though until you take your MCAT. If I busted out like a 33 or something. I would still probably be applying DO, but I would feel more comfortable applying to my two state schools instead of just throwing my money away, which is what I would be doing now if I applied to them.

As for the new/old MCAT. I dont think the new one will be all that bad. People are freaking out about it but the way I look at it is that right now people are like laser focused on how to do well on the current MCAT. There are dozens of books, strategies, prep courses etc. But when the new MCAT comes out it will take a year or two for people to really catch on to the new techniques, so I think it would level the playing field out a bit more, since everyone would be a guinea pig.

Wait, AACOMAS doesn't consider math scores as a part of science gpa? Ithought it did.... I love math and got A's in calc, and that's why my science gpa is a 3.48. If I don't count calc and just count all the physics/chem/bio classes, my sgpa is down to 3.21 🙁 Sadness.

Also, DO's can still get into specialties. I'm not sure about the "difficulty of it", but I think that most people who are in medical school are going to study the hardest they can, and give their best effort to get high grades/scores. I know for sure that's what I'll be doing. If the "difficulty" only consists of studying, I would say that the difficulty of getting into specialties is the same for DO's and MD's. Now obviously since there are no rad oncology residencies in the DO world, that's one of the specialties that would be super hard for a DO to get into. But I'm pretty sure that specialties like surgery are obtainable for DO's.

Also, why does everyone love ortho? Don't they have the same long grueling hours like neurosurgeons? Sorry, I am not quite familiar with surgery as I am an "outpatient" kind of person, more geared towards primary care.
 
8 V , 11 P, 10 B

My timing was so off for verbal

That is actually really good, considering you barely studied for it! Hopefully mine will also be good, but I will put in a couple months of studying to get some of the ochem principles down.
 
Wait, AACOMAS doesn't consider math scores as a part of science gpa? Ithought it did.... I love math and got A's in calc, and that's why my science gpa is a 3.48. If I don't count calc and just count all the physics/chem/bio classes, my sgpa is down to 3.21 🙁 Sadness.

Also, DO's can still get into specialties. I'm not sure about the "difficulty of it", but I think that most people who are in medical school are going to study the hardest they can, and give their best effort to get high grades/scores. I know for sure that's what I'll be doing. If the "difficulty" only consists of studying, I would say that the difficulty of getting into specialties is the same for DO's and MD's. Now obviously since there are no rad oncology residencies in the DO world, that's one of the specialties that would be super hard for a DO to get into. But I'm pretty sure that specialties like surgery are obtainable for DO's.

Also, why does everyone love ortho? Don't they have the same long grueling hours like neurosurgeons? Sorry, I am not quite familiar with surgery as I am an "outpatient" kind of person, more geared towards primary care.

Yea ACCOMAS doesn't count any math courses into the sGPA. I think one of the reasons why people love ortho is because they can get paid 400K+.
 
That is actually really good, considering you barely studied for it! Hopefully mine will also be good, but I will put in a couple months of studying to get some of the ochem principles down.

I knew the material but I didn't do the practice tests in one sitting because I have problems staying focus. I especially kept zoning out during the verbal
 
An average school gets anywhere from 4k-6k applicants and has a class of 100-200 students. I'm curious to see where you got 58%.
Yes if you only apply to 1 school, your chances are lower than that. However I think that number is pretty close because applicants apply to multiple schools.

The hard and fast numbers can be found here: http://www.aacom.org/data/applicantsmatriculants/Documents/2013-Applicant-Matriculant-Report.pdf

However they have the percentage being lower than that because they count those matriculated, not accepted which throws it off because of students accepted but choosing to go to an MD school
 
Wait, AACOMAS doesn't consider math scores as a part of science gpa? Ithought it did.... I love math and got A's in calc, and that's why my science gpa is a 3.48. If I don't count calc and just count all the physics/chem/bio classes, my sgpa is down to 3.21 🙁 Sadness.

Also, DO's can still get into specialties. I'm not sure about the "difficulty of it", but I think that most people who are in medical school are going to study the hardest they can, and give their best effort to get high grades/scores. I know for sure that's what I'll be doing. If the "difficulty" only consists of studying, I would say that the difficulty of getting into specialties is the same for DO's and MD's. Now obviously since there are no rad oncology residencies in the DO world, that's one of the specialties that would be super hard for a DO to get into. But I'm pretty sure that specialties like surgery are obtainable for DO's.

Also, why does everyone love ortho? Don't they have the same long grueling hours like neurosurgeons? Sorry, I am not quite familiar with surgery as I am an "outpatient" kind of person, more geared towards primary care.

Oh of course they can get into any specialty. Heck I know a DO neurosurgeon that is like 3 miles from me. However, it can be more difficult to get into those residency programs. You have to do slightly better on boards, get away rotations at the programs you are applying to (some dont even let you), then kill it at those rotations.... From what I have heard on here about 50% of it is difficulty of studying, like just doing marginally better than your MD counterpart with identical stats. But the other half is still a tiny bit of stigma with the DO degree, a lot of places couldnt care less. But some places and some specialties can be very hard to get in to. Google how many DOs go into plastics, NS, or even ACGME Ortho, they are out there but they are few in number and I imagine have magnificent scores and experiences. Overall I just think the amount of surgical residencies that the AOA provides is less, though comparable to ACGME for amount of applicants. Thats neither here nor there, I definitely do not want this thread to go in that direction.

As for ortho... hmmm... I will say from my time shadowing I definitely found pros and cons. I mean before I went in I ONLY saw pros. Pros are the fact that its one of the only specialties that within 2 hours you can fix something. Not like, oh I helped, we are taking like they have pain, you operate, no more pain. The money is very good and there are a lot of jobs out there. Its still a generalist's craft. Unlike general surgery where a huge chunk of people are subspecializing. In ortho you can pick and choose whether or not you want to specialize, or you can still have a very fulfilling career even while going generalist. I enjoy the male camaraderie and I am definitely a Mr. fix it kind of guy. My pop and I have built and or fixed everything in and around our house. We dont take cars to shops, we build everything ourselves. I appreciate the tools and the physical manipulation in ortho (first time I saw them dislocate a femur from the hip to replace the joint it was freaking insane). Cons are that it is very very physically demanding unless you go into hand or spine. The hours blow, like even post residency you are still working like a dog (though all the orthos I met still said they were very happy with it- even in their 50s). Depending on your practice you can still have a lot of on call even when you are 40 or 50. Its physically exhausting; one day I was in the OR with him for 10 hours and the only food I had the entire day was a cracker with some hummus. After the 10 hours he was done at that surgical center but then had to drive to another hospital 30 minutes away for 2 more surgeries. That is just insane to me.... It is physically hard, my legs and back hurt from that 10 hour day and I was not even doing the surgery haha.

Realistically I will probably end up in peds or FM. I really like working with kids. When I was a medical assistant, kids like inspired me to be better.
 
Yeah but other specialties also have to work that many hours but they get compensated a lot less.

Agree sort of, its different kind of work. Technically yes you will be doing some sort of work. Almost all have the same amount. But sitting at a desk doing paperwork vs being the the OR, or even ER for that matter is super different. Then you have the amount of call which can vary drastically between specialties and where you end up working.

A CT surgeon I met once said to me "everybody is working hard. I have friends in business that are working more than I am, everyone is trying to have a better life."
Really resonated with me. However I have met more happy Orthos than FM docs which I think is really interesting.
 
Now you want something lucrative (though I dont think its all that its cracked up to be) is EM. At the hospital in my home town the ER docs worked 3-12 hour shifts a week. No call. Many pull in like 250K a year. Because of the lack of hours many have the opportunity to go part time elsewhere too, like peds EM, or urgent care or something.

Now I wont get in to why I would never go in to EM, unless someone is curious, but yea. Thats a decent deal if you are into bang for your buck
 
2013-
6135 matriculants / 16454 applicants = 37.29%
55,547 matriculant school designation for matriculants / 6135 matriculants = 9 schools per matriculating applicant
MCAT 20-24 made up 20.9% matriculants
MCAT 25-29 made up 57.8% matriculants
MCAT 30-34 made up 18.4% matriculants
sGPA between 3.20-4.00 made up 74.2% matriculants
cGPA between 3.20-4.00 made up 86.9% matriculants
sGPA 2.80-3.19 had 19.81% chance and cGPA 2.80-3.19 had a 11.4% chance

Obviously combining the lowest of MCAT and GPA will further reduce you chance but, it does happen with other application EC's, work etc.

http://www.aacom.org/data/applicantsmatriculants/Documents/2013-Applicant-Matriculant-Report.pdf
 
Yes if you only apply to 1 school, your chances are lower than that. However I think that number is pretty close because applicants apply to multiple schools.

The hard and fast numbers can be found here: http://www.aacom.org/data/applicantsmatriculants/Documents/2013-Applicant-Matriculant-Report.pdf

However they have the percentage being lower than that because they count those matriculated, not accepted which throws it off because of students accepted but choosing to go to an MD school

Yes that is true, chances are lower if one applies to only one a single school. However, a 58% matriculate doesn't make sense. A school will generally accept 33% more students than what it's class can hold, double if it's a newer school.

So let's take all thirty osteopathic schools and use an applicant size of 5,000 for each (taking into consideration some have fewer and others more).

30(5,000) = 150,000 applicants total.

let's then use 200 applicants as a uniform number of those accepted.

200 (30) = 6000 applicants accepted.

If we divide 6,000/150,000 then we have only an acceptance rate of 4%.

Now let's take into consideration that people are not numbers and that the average MCAT and GPA is 27 and 3.5, respectively. If a person with average MATRICULATING stats applies randomly his chances are, what you said, about 58%. However, the average applicant does not have these stats. If a person has a GPA of 3.0 and an MCAT of 24 no amount of application cycles will ever allow him to gain an acceptance.

So to answer the OP's question. Yes, many people have been rejected from all schools they've applied to. But seeing as you felt the need to make a thread about this topic tells me that you are not like most applicants.

So apply broadly, I'm sure you will be fine.
 
2013-
6135 matriculants / 16454 applicants = 37.29%
55,547 matriculant school designation for matriculants / 6135 matriculants = 9 schools per matriculating applicant
MCAT 20-24 made up 20.9% matriculants
MCAT 25-29 made up 57.8% matriculants
MCAT 30-34 made up 18.4% matriculants
sGPA between 3.20-4.00 made up 74.2% matriculants
cGPA between 3.20-4.00 made up 86.9% matriculants
sGPA 2.80-3.19 had 19.81% chance and cGPA 2.80-3.19 had a 11.4% chance

Obviously combining the lowest of MCAT and GPA will further reduce you chance but, it does happen with other application EC's, work etc.

http://www.aacom.org/data/applicantsmatriculants/Documents/2013-Applicant-Matriculant-Report.pdf

What do you mean 16,454 applicants?

PCOM main had around 10,300 applicants last year.
 
You don't realize that people apply to multiple schools. There aren't 150k people applying. There are actually 10x fewer, since the average applicant applies to ~9 schools.

You're right I didn't account for the multiple applications to different schools. The data that AlbinoHawk DO gave us showed only 137,542 applicants and only 5857 matriculates. However, I'm hard pressed to believe that the average applicant in general will apply to 9 schools. Maybe the average SDN applicant who is serious about medicine, but I'm talking about the average one who will only apply to those instate to stay close to home (or for some other reason). I'll still stand by the point I made earlier. A poor applicant for one school will probably not be able to get into others no matter how many times he has applied. Increasing your odds by applying to multiple schools will only work if you already have a somewhat strong application.
 
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I think some people have brought up some good points though, that seriously you could end up with 5 passages of your worst subject or 5 of your best. So again I would seriously stress making sure you take all of your pre-requisites before you take it. Sure some people take it before, and sure some people get lucky and have the starts align so that they get mostly their favorite subject but a lot of the time it is going to hit pretty much everything- which again points back to why it can be challenging.

Yeah my friend got lucky, he didn't complete the physics curriculum. But he said the only thing he didn't cover was optics and there were only 2 questions on the MCAT on it and he think he got one of them right. He ended up getting in the mid 30s fairly easily.
 
What are you talking about? That's aamc data. From the data on aacom, it appears the average applicant applies to less than 8 schools. I applied to 12 but only completed 8 secondaries.

Do you really think that individuals who apply allo are any different from those who apply osteo? No the bottom line is they both apply to multiple schools, like you said. Whether or not that be 9 or 14 it's still multiple applications
 
Do you really think that individuals who apply allo are any different from those who apply osteo? No the bottom line is they both apply to multiple schools, like you said. Whether or not that be 9 or 14 it's still multiple applications
There is overlap in the population, but to assume parity is going too far. It could be the case that poor people apply to MD schools more because FAP gives them 14 applications. It could be the case that they attract larger number of international hopefuls. People with greater money and influence may apply exclusively to MD. It could be the case that DO receives more applications per COM because of the number of desperate re-applicants that are willing to apply to any DO school just to get into somewhere. There are simply too many scenarios.
 
I have a 3.4/31. I applied to every DO school. I applied pretty early. I only got 2 interviews and one acceptance. It's very possible to not get an interview. I feel very lucky to get an interview at all. No red flags really but a mip alcohol when I was in high school
 
I was rejected last cycle by all schools. I applied exclusively MD and completed around October. No interview until January, and I didn't like my chances (3.4, 10/8/8 MCAT, but very confident in my story). In March I applied to all the DO schools I could (those with March deadlines and didn't require a DO recommendation). I got interviews at WVSOM, RVU, and CUSOM. WVSOM wanted a DO rec, so I was out. I was waitlisted and rejected from everywhere. But what I realized was how much I liked the DO community. As compared to MD interviews, I thought the students were nicer and less on edge, as I'm very type B (at a particular MD school interview, a student said "well let's be honest, we're all type A's if we're in med school" which surprised me, anyways).

So this cycle I was excited to get into a DO program. I inversed my med school applications (last year 13 MD's to 5 DO's, became 5 MD's to 10 DO's). I got shadowing and a recommendation from a DO. I improved my MCAT to a 10/9/9. I applied to all the MD's by October, and all the DO's by December. Was accepted to RVU and KCOM in February, while I think I was late to the other schools again (I feel guilty about it), and I received interviews at a couple MD schools as well. I had the same apprehension to the student bodies at MD schools verse DO schools which has made me very comfortable with my decision this year.

I am living proof that applying earlier can help a lot, and I think showing improvement across application cycles helped me too.
 
I have a 3.4/31. I applied to every DO school. I applied pretty early. I only got 2 interviews and one acceptance. It's very possible to not get an interview. I feel very lucky to get an interview at all. No red flags really but a mip alcohol when I was in high school

impossible
 
impossible
You aren't taking into account that he might have relatively weak ECs. Nothing is guaranteed, and those that say you are "one shoe in" aren't telling you the whole truth.
 
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