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[Dr. Geoff]

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Dear SDN'ers,
Hey guys, I was bored today and was relaxing after the busy holiday so I was reading lots of posts. I'm really into my school work and want to succed and I want to get into Med school. I also like to hang out with my friends, get wasted and have fun. Reading some of your posts seems like you guys are too into the idea of medical school. Like every decision you make, you think "is this gonna benefit me?" Some of you need to relax, and enjoy life (You only get one of them, I think...). Its good to be dedicated to something but not addicted, don't let it run your life. I read in someones post about fast forwarding time to there acceptance date??????, i'm sure your excited and all but live now too man. Med school is gonna come and your don't want to look back at your younger years and just remeber your nose in books. "Get busy livin' or get busy die'n" (Shawshank 😉 ) Some of you need to go out and have fun..., drink some beer and meet some girls!!! (or vice versa). I know not everyone is like this, but some are... Just some advice... take it for what its worth. An "A" is nice (Just got one on my last orgo test, thank you very much!) but sharing a few laughs and smiles with your freinds is more important. I'm off to bed, peace...

Dr. Geoff

 

[alleyez]

maybe i should've read the whole post... but
I just wanna get into med school. That's all i care about at this point in my life.

 

[Gleevec]

Wow, how are you a doctor already and just now taking orgo? PhD? 😕

 

[ice_23]

I think his screenname is just a pseudonym for what he wants to become. He said that he wants to get into med school like us but he also likes relaxing with his friends. (So i think he's still in undergrad?)

Dr. Geoff, in response, yea, I completely agree with you. However, I dont think ppl here are ALWAYS thinking about med school. It is a classic case of adverse selection; only this time, with posts. If you come to a pre-allo forum, all you are going to see are posts about med school and all the things that come with it (i.e. stressing, what other activities should I do abt. med school, etc.).

Most ppl, (I think at least) post every once in a while about stressful shiznit, peruse the board, and then go on with the rest of their lives. This app process is highly stressful for many ppl; this forum is kinda like a release of sorts.🙂

-Ice

 

[Spitting Camel]

Originally posted by Dr. Geoff
Dear SDN'ers,
Hey guys, I was bored today and was relaxing after the busy holiday so I was reading lots of posts. I'm really into my school work and want to succed and I want to get into Med school. I also like to hang out with my friends, get wasted and have fun. Reading some of your posts seems like you guys are too into the idea of medical school. Like every decision you make, you think "is this gonna benefit me?" Some of you need to relax, and enjoy life (You only get one of them, I think...). Its good to be dedicated to something but not addicted, don't let it run your life. I read in someones post about fast forwarding time to there acceptance date??????, i'm sure your excited and all but live now too man. Med school is gonna come and your don't want to look back at your younger years and just remeber your nose in books. "Get busy livin' or get busy die'n" (Shawshank 😉 ) Some of you need to go out and have fun..., drink some beer and meet some girls!!! (or vice versa). I know not everyone is like this, but some are... Just some advice... take it for what its worth. An "A" is nice (Just got one on my last orgo test, thank you very much!) but sharing a few laughs and smiles with your freinds is more important. I'm off to bed, peace...

Dr. Geoff

I resent your post. You do not know any of us. I, myself, have tons of fun, but I also have goals in my life that I would like to see to fruition. These goal require a proactive stance, not one of beer drinking and meeting girls. I say there is more to life than wasting it on alcohol and meaningless hook-ups. I think you see life as "what is is gonna benifit me?" by wondering how you may bring yourself pleasure. Instead, think of what good you can do for others by not drinking beer and spreading STDs and becoming a well-qualified doctor. Don't talk down to us (or me at least). Here's one of those "rare" smiles for ya: 🙂

 

[jlee9531]

Originally posted by AlreadyInDebt
I resent your post. You do not know any of us. I, myself, have tons of fun, but I also have goals in my life that I would like to see to fruition. These goal require a proactive stance, not one of beer drinking and meeting girls. I say there is more to life than wasting it on alcohol and meaningless hook-ups. I think you see life as "what is is gonna benifit me?" by wondering how you may bring yourself pleasure. Instead, think of what good you can do for others by not drinking beer and spreading STDs and becoming a well-qualified doctor. Don't talk down to us (or me at least). Here's one of those "rare" smiles for ya: 🙂

Ding Ding...Thats the end of Round 1........

Round 2 coming up... 😀

 

[Blade28]

Interesting thread. I agree that there are pre-meds out there that need to relax a little, if only to remain sane. 🙂 But on the other hand, there have been many times during college when I resisted temptation (sleeping in and missing an important lecture/review session; being lazy and deciding not to take that extra class/lab/research project; choosing a night of partying over studying for a midterm) because I really wanted med school badly...and I knew that, one day, I didn't want to be looking back on my life and thinking, "man, those 3-4 hours of goofing off just weren't worth it." Of course one test or one grade or even one semester probably won't mean much in the long-term...but it's definitely important to be self-motivated at times.

 

[SarahGM]

Dr. Geoff, your post makes a lot of sense to me, and where I'm at in my life... but mainly because I'm not in school anymore (having graduated in June). I can see how it might be harder for someone still completing undergrad requirements.
I too have seen people say they'd like to fast forward time till when med school starts, but it is definitely important to appreciate the free time we have now before we have to devote hours upon hours to studying, etc. This is my year off between undergrad and med, and I say live it up!!

 

[Wardens]

I'm still in school myself though I have been accepted, and I agree whole-heartedly with Dr.Geoff. I partied a fair amount in college, experienced plenty of random hook-ups, and do not consider myself unmotivated or unfocused. Those experiences, of walking into a party where you don't know anyone, of learning how to flirt with a girl, of learning how to handle yourself in social situations, are invaluable tools not just for becoming a good doctor, but for the rest of your life. You can go through school, think medicine is everything in the world and be deluded by the belief that studying organic chemistry every friday and saturday night is the only route to getting there. Having fun in college is not about those days thirty years from now where you drift back nostalgically into a 'wild kegger' daydream. It's about learning how to live in this world of social networks with people outside your profession. You may think there's more to life, but ultimately those things you consider 'greater' are reducible to the same basic interactions. It's ironic that we're healing people so they can experience life's more 'primitive' desires themselves. My point is that never again will you be surrounded by so many bright and diverse minds, exciting events, and great opportunities. Live it up, or not only will you be missing those moments of nostalgia, but also the tools to become a competent and happy person.

 

[musiclink213]

the way i see it, everybody is stressed about getting in and going at one point or another. the purpose of these boards is so we can talk with somebody else going through the same thing. it is unfair to post comments like that on a board that is about, what else? PREMED!! on this site, we're not going to post about our drunken nights or one night stands. that's what the lounge is for. for you to say that we don't know how to have fun because we're too worried about getting in, well, that's just flat out wrong. yes, people get antsy waiting, so what? you have absolutly no right to pass judgment on any of us.

 

[cguidr4]

Wow, it is amazing how every thread turns into a fight on this forum. Some people need to relax. Dr. Geoff isn't judging people. He is just stating his opinion. Also, he wasn't refering to everyone.

Some of you need to relax, and enjoy life

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If this doesn't apply to you do not reply or at least do not reply in a rude way (alleyz post is a good ex. of a non-rude post). The purpose of this forum is to help others. I'm tired of seeing stupid arguements that do not help.
This is just my opinion. I'm not pointing out any specific posts as being rude because I do not want to argue.

As far as relaxing and having fun in undergrad, I never regreted it. Sure , there are times when you really have no other life and need to focus on getting in med school, for me it was when I was studying for the MCAT. As long as your priorities are straight you should have time to do whatever you want.

 

[Spitting Camel]

Originally posted by cguidr4
Dr. Geoff isn't judging people. He is just stating his opinion.

WHAT?!? Did you even read his post? He said that "some of us" only make decisions based on what it will benifit us. Isn't that the definition of judgement? What does he know about anyone outside of this forum? I have met some of you outside of this forum and guess what - there are PEOPLE behind the screen names. Maybe if Dr. Geoff wasn't too busy getting "wasted" he would realize this.

 

[::Seabass::]

Originally posted by Wardens
I'm still in school myself though I have been accepted, and I agree whole-heartedly with Dr.Geoff. I partied a fair amount in college, experienced plenty of random hook-ups, and do not consider myself unmotivated or unfocused. Those experiences, of walking into a party where you don't know anyone, of learning how to flirt with a girl, of learning how to handle yourself in social situations, are invaluable tools not just for becoming a good doctor, but for the rest of your life. You can go through school, think medicine is everything in the world and be deluded by the belief that studying organic chemistry every friday and saturday night is the only route to getting there. Having fun in college is not about those days thirty years from now where you drift back nostalgically into a 'wild kegger' daydream. It's about learning how to live in this world of social networks with people outside your profession. You may think there's more to life, but ultimately those things you consider 'greater' are reducible to the same basic interactions. It's ironic that we're healing people so they can experience life's more 'primitive' desires themselves. My point is that never again will you be surrounded by so many bright and diverse minds, exciting events, and great opportunities. Live it up, or not only will you be missing those moments of nostalgia, but also the tools to become a competent and happy person.

I think you said it best.

Yes I've spent some time drinking and earning bad grades, but I also put it in gear and did what I needed to do other times. And others I went out all the time and got still got really good grades.

The people who are all cracked out now in med school are those who forgot to have a life in college and to learn how to define themselves as something other as 'the one getting the top grades' or 'the premed.' They are also the most boring people in my class. Thats why sometimes we react to those who are stressing out about getting a *gasp* B in a class cause we know what is going to happen to them down the road and we know how unimportant it will be in say a year or 5 years from now.

Life is too short to let it pass you by.

 

[PMED99]

I doubt anyone in here can not say that they have not given up a night of partying or a big date to do something that will help us down the road for med school. I know I have.

But, I think what he is trying to say is just relax a bit. This may not apply to you. I for one am not offended by it. I admit sometimes I forget to have fun. Yet I am more than capable to have my fun and do all I need to do.

I like his post. It reminds me to enjoy the times. If we wait until after medical school, we will have missed out. I recommend that everyone make a point to go out and do whatever makes you happy, if only for an hour a day.

Viva la fun!

 

[PreMedAdAG]

Hey Guys,
This has started a little fire.... but a good discussion topic nonetheless. Well, Dr. Geoff, you have some good points. I played a sport in college which means that most likely you are the ONLY pre-med person on your team, or in some cases, the entire athletic "cult" ha ha. So, yes, you party, you go nuts and have fun, like I did and then one day you're like, "whoah, I just got two C's in one quarter".... and then you realize that it's cool to go hang out like a few times a month or something, but that you have bigger priorities than getting laid or getting drunk. It's fun, but not so fun when you wake up with a hangover and you still have your organic test the next day and while you're praying to the porcelain god, those mechanisms aren't working themselves out at your desk.

The thing is, people come here to get advice on the med school process... not to share about their drunken fiasco's (s/p?) I think most pre-meds know how to have fun at heart, but have made some sacrifices along the way. It shows determination and committment. Yes it sucks when you have a test and your roommates are "in da club, bottle full of bub", however it's a choice many of us make.

Dr. Geoff, if you are doing orgo, you are probably a sophomore in your undergrad. Give it a couple years, the party madness will wind down and you'll realize that your future is much more important than a pitcher of newcastle at your local bar. You'll also realize that all of the bar hootchies wear the same thing.. it gets old

So yes, go out, have fun, be social, be the person everyone wants to hang out with, but be serious about school too...we're not all GENIUSES, you know those people who get A's and 35 MCAT scores regardless of how little they study. I'm down for a tequila shooter every once in a while, but I'm also down for a good application and acceptance into med school!

 

[Spitting Camel]

Originally posted by PreMedAdAG
Hey Guys,
This has started a little fire.... but a good discussion topic nonetheless. Well, Dr. Geoff, you have some good points. I played a sport in college which means that most likely you are the ONLY pre-med person on your team, or in some cases, the entire athletic "cult" ha ha. So, yes, you party, you go nuts and have fun, like I did and then one day you're like, "whoah, I just got two C's in one quarter".... and then you realize that it's cool to go hang out like a few times a month or something, but that you have bigger priorities than getting laid or getting drunk. It's fun, but not so fun when you wake up with a hangover and you still have your organic test the next day and while you're praying to the porcelain god, those mechanisms aren't working themselves out at your desk.

The thing is, people come here to get advice on the med school process... not to share about their drunken fiasco's (s/p?) I think most pre-meds know how to have fun at heart, but have made some sacrifices along the way. It shows determination and committment. Yes it sucks when you have a test and your roommates are "in da club, bottle full of bub", however it's a choice many of us make.

Dr. Geoff, if you are doing orgo, you are probably a sophomore in your undergrad. Give it a couple years, the party madness will wind down and you'll realize that your future is much more important than a pitcher of newcastle at your local bar. You'll also realize that all of the bar hootchies wear the same thing.. it gets old

So yes, go out, have fun, be social, be the person everyone wants to hang out with, but be serious about school too...we're not all GENIUSES, you know those people who get A's and 35 MCAT scores regardless of how little they study. I'm down for a tequila shooter every once in a while, but I'm also down for a good application and acceptance into med school!

Well said!! PreMedAdAG, you are a very wise person to point out the sophomore status. I missed that and perhaps would have dismissed his comments as inexperience. Thanks!

 

[jbing]

well you have to remember that this is a premed forum, so obviously people are gonna focus on that aspect of their life when they post in here. if this were say the Student Party Network (SPN) and you had people going on and on about their orgo this and amcas that, then id be worried. as it stands though im pretty sure a good chunk of the people in here like to go out and party once in a while, it just wouldn't make much sense to talk about it in a premed forum.

 

[felipe5]

Originally posted by PreMedAdAG
I'm down for a tequila shooter every once in a while, but I'm also down for a good application and acceptance into med school!

Yes my friend, I agree with your wise words as well. I think all of us have our own passions which we like to explore, but those of us who are coming down this final path towards med-school are faced with something new and exciting......I don't know about you guys, but the application process adds a new twist to my usual everyday life as an undergrad.

Faced with this crazy process of applying, I find that I enjoy posting and reading on SDN, not because I'm a Van-Wilder-type- Premed'er, but just b/c its nice to talk to people in my same boat.

Good luck to you all

 

[ornis4]

I'm not much for fighting, and quite frankly, I think this post was in good spirit...BUT, I'm pretty sure my undergrad days of beer and women are a significant part of the reason I ended up with a 3.4 and am now in a MS program, and not in med school already. I love the times I had and all the great friends I still have from those days, but I gotta say...convincing yourself that repetitively getting drunk and finding random young women around campus is gonna give you some sort of helpful perspective on medicine may be a bit optimistic. Either way, everyone goes about life in their own way, especially in college. I think the original post was just an observation, though I understand why others got fired up about it. Everything in moderation...

 

[UCLAMAN]

Originally posted by Dr. Geoff
Dear SDN'ers,
Hey guys, I was bored today and was relaxing after the busy holiday so I was reading lots of posts. I'm really into my school work and want to succed and I want to get into Med school. I also like to hang out with my friends, get wasted and have fun. Reading some of your posts seems like you guys are too into the idea of medical school. Like every decision you make, you think "is this gonna benefit me?" Some of you need to relax, and enjoy life (You only get one of them, I think...). Its good to be dedicated to something but not addicted, don't let it run your life. I read in someones post about fast forwarding time to there acceptance date??????, i'm sure your excited and all but live now too man. Med school is gonna come and your don't want to look back at your younger years and just remeber your nose in books. "Get busy livin' or get busy die'n" (Shawshank 😉 ) Some of you need to go out and have fun..., drink some beer and meet some girls!!! (or vice versa). I know not everyone is like this, but some are... Just some advice... take it for what its worth. An "A" is nice (Just got one on my last orgo test, thank you very much!) but sharing a few laughs and smiles with your freinds is more important. I'm off to bed, peace...

Dr. Geoff

Hmm...maybe...just maybe...the reason all the posts are about medical school and how to get in and people worrying about getting into medical school because its a friggin pre-med message board!!!! EVERY post is gonna be stressin medical school.

What do you want these people to post about?!? You want them to post about their baseball card collections or something? If you want people to post about the last rave they went to, then go to a rave forum or something.

 

[jayski2030]

The original post is not the first suggestion I've heard to relax and enjoy life because it's all over in the blink of an eye. In fact, I hear it all of the time. I've always hung out with people who enjoy partying, so I've gotten made fun of more than a couple times for doing homework on a friday night. My problem with the suggestion to relax and find a girl to screw is that it's usually coming from one of my friends who has dropped out and never gets ass. As long as you maintain friendships, what's the point of going out more if you'd rather study?

 

[Dr. Geoff]

Dear SDNers',
I read through all your posts and sorry I can reply to you all your comments, as I am busy working on a project. First off, I was not trying to offend anyone or make judgment. I did not say Everyone, I said SOME! And I am right when I say Some..., look at the second post!

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I just wanna get into med school. That's all i care about at this point in my life.
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I understand that this is a pre-med forum, and discussion will relate to getting into med school but I feel some are too concerned from reading many of the posts. I was just offering some advice.

Also, those that were offended need to realize that not everything applies to them, and I made sure that what I stated was very generalized and not referring to people specifically.

Just to clarify also, I?m a junior, just behind on my pre-req?s because of a major change. However, I still plan to graduate on time and am taking the MCAT?s this year. Also, I?m not a hung over STD factory like some of you implied. Drinking beer and getting laid was just a way of expressing going out and having fun. It doesn?t mean that is my life. And it doesn?t mean that is the only way to have fun. I have fun without alcohol and girls. Some of YOU are making judgments about me! I was just telling people to relax, and to think about what life is really about (that is why your becoming a doctor, to help those enjoy life!) However, many of you did understand what I was saying and I?m glad, but those who took offense, I don?t see why any should have been taken. Peace?

Dr. Geoff

 

[moops]

sometimes i play with myself

 

[jlee9531]

Originally posted by moops
sometimes i play with myself

i only dance with myself. havent been able to make the leap to the next level..

 

[jayski2030]

Originally posted by Dr. Geoff

Also, I?m not a hung over STD factory like some of you implied.
Dr. Geoff

hahaha

 

[jayski2030]

Originally posted by Dr. Geoff

Also, I?m not a hung over STD factory like some of you implied.
Dr. Geoff

hahaha

 

[topherius]

Originally posted by Dr. Geoff
drink some beer and meet some girls!!! (or vice versa)

😕 drink some girls and meet some beer?

i met this smoking hot beer the other night...

just kidding, i know what you really meant.

i agree with the folks who said this is a self-selecting forum. of course people are going to write in here about things that are stressing them out. it's also somewhat self-selecting as to who posts on here...most of the people who are really (too?) laid back about med school won't bother to post on sdn. they probably don't even know it exists.

i also agree that it's good to chill out now and then. probably reading this forum doesn't help. oh well.

 

[DrBodacious]

I think Dr. Geoff and those who agreed w him are just reveling in thier social successes. Hoora, way to be a balanced person. Do you really need to make a big deal out of other people whos life revolves around studying. If you are that concerned, find a fellow student who you think has such a problem and make an earnest attempt to take them out and show them a good time. Personally, I don't enjoy hanging out with many of the people at my "party" school in the "party" atmoshperes. I'm looking forward to medical school as a place to have fun with more goal oriented people. Besides, don't judge peoples social life by thier SDN posts.

 

[DrBodacious]

Of course there are the people who revel in their academic successes and dismiss social activity alltogether, I just didn't find this thread to be that helpful to anyone.

 

[ehd327]

I have to agree with AlreadyInDebt about the fact that Dr. Geoff cannot possible judge our activities and lives based on our responses and inquiries in a pre-med forum. The pre-med population is a diverse group of people. Some prefer to strictly focus on entrance to medical school (which,I heard, is a major stepping stone toward your medical future), some prefer not to focus on entrance, while others are somewhere in between. Whatever their preference, we have no right to tell them what they should or should not do. I am currently taking a year off before I enter med school. Some people come up to me and ask me if I feel like I'm 'behind.' Absolutely not. Don't judge me based on the little evidence you see before you. I am not sitting on my ass this whole year. I have found time to conduct research, volunteer, work, travel, and party with my friends and family almost every weekend while I wait for med school respenses. Dr. Geoff, don't ever assume that your life is the best example of living, because there is no such thing.

 

[Dr. Geoff]

Where did I say that my life was the best example of living, I don't remember that? I was simply offering advice to those people who seem to have one thing on there mind, medical school. I'm not judging anyone, someone said it in a earlier post, I am just stating my opinion. I'm only offering advice. People get caught up in things and it is normal for some, including myself!!!, to get a one track mind. (I do this all the time.) And everything becomes centered around this one thing, and that's not good. Don't tell me that I can't make assumptions about people having one track minds because I am only reading posts on a Pre-medical forum. As I think it is clear that some may be:
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alleyez: I just wanna get into med school. That's all i care about at this point in my life
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Its advice that I was giving, I was not making judgements nor slandering anyone on the board. Why you chooose to critisize my comments, I'm not sure... some people felt that what I said was worth while, and many agreed with what I had to say... I think it was summed up best by Wardens
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Wardens: I'm still in school myself though I have been accepted, and I agree whole-heartedly with Dr.Geoff. [...] It's about learning how to live in this world of social networks with people outside your profession. You may think there's more to life, but ultimately those things you consider 'greater' are reducible to the same basic interactions. It's ironic that we're healing people so they can experience life's more 'primitive' desires themselves. My point is that never again will you be surrounded by so many bright and diverse minds, exciting events, and great opportunities. Live it up, or not only will you be missing those moments of nostalgia, but also the tools to become a competent and happy person.
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PMED99: I like his post. It reminds me to enjoy the times. If we wait until after medical school, we will have missed out. I recommend that everyone make a point to go out and do whatever makes you happy, if only for an hour a day.

Viva la fun!
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Seaworthc: Life is too short to let it pass you by.
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Life is too short, and anyone who requires a fast forward button has a problem.... what someone really needs is a rewind button... and not so you can get some extra hours of studying in.... (although that would be nice) so you can enjoy life while your young and live for a little without your future being your only concern. Its important to plan and prioritize your life but its also important to enjoy it. Anyone who's experienced a near death experience or even lossed a friend or loved one knows what is really important in life. "You may think there's more to life, but ultimately those things you consider 'greater' are reducible to the same basic interactions" (Wardens) Im off to class, c-ya..

Dr. Geoff