Having trouble with the 20 lens

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I am having so much trouble with indirect ophthalmoscopy with the 20D lens - anyone have any advice? I start my residency on Monday but after two weeks of rotating through ophtho I am still greatly struggling with it. How long on average does it take to master it - or am I just ******ed? I am really stressed out about this. :scared:
 
golgi said:
I am having so much trouble with indirect ophthalmoscopy with the 20D lens - anyone have any advice? I start my residency on Monday but after two weeks of rotating through ophtho I am still greatly struggling with it. How long on average does it take to master it - or am I just ******ed? I am really stressed out about this. :scared:

It took me a month during my retina rotation in med school.
 
don't sweat it. start close to the eye and pull back, look at the red reflex and it will come into focus. If you are female or just have small hands consider a 30 D wider view and you can hold it closer.
 
It's a dynamic process; you have to keep moving and refining as you keep the image in view. It is tough, but with consistent practice you can become pretty good in a short amount of time.

One pointer that really helped me when I was learning: "keep the dots aligned." You will get a reflection from the light source off of the front surface of the 20D and one from the back surface of the 20D. If the lens is tilted, these reflections will appear as distinct refelctions. If you have the lens perpendicular to the optical axis of the viewing system, these reflections should overlap and you will only see one reflection of the source.

Additionally, use a finger to stabilize your hand on the patient's forehead/brow. At first, the tendency is not to have the lens far enough away from the patient's eye, so really stretch out the finger that is stabilizing your hand on the patient's head. Lastly, if you become completely lost, pull the 20D away and start over.
 
EYESURG said:
It took me a month during my retina rotation in med school.


They key to my success using it was to use my pinky to adjust the distance from the eye.
 
It takes quite a while, and a lot of patience to even become capable, let alone really good at indirect ophthalmoscopy. One of the best tips I received from one of our retina staff was to start by pointing the light at the patient's forehead (look beneath the oculars, or through the bottom of the oculars just under where the circle of light hits the patient's forehead), and then keep the lens close to the eye and slowly pull the lens toward you while stabilizing the lens by keeping a finger or two on the patient's forehead. As you pull toward you, the image of the pupil in the lens will enlarge, when the image of the pupil nearly fills the lens (keep the lens still here), move your head so that the light is on the lens, and WHAMO...the retina should appear.

hope this helps, and congrats on finishing your intern year!
 
golgi said:
I am having so much trouble with indirect ophthalmoscopy with the 20D lens - anyone have any advice? I start my residency on Monday but after two weeks of rotating through ophtho I am still greatly struggling with it. How long on average does it take to master it - or am I just ******ed? I am really stressed out about this. :scared:

Well, you might as well quit ophthalmology now. If you don't have it by July 1st of your first year, you clearly will never get it.

Anyway, I start by pointing my light at the eye and then sliding the lens into position. This way I know the light is in the right place, and I just have to move the lens around a little to get a good view. Everyone kinda does it differently. You'll figure it out. Don't stress - personally I believe that taking things too seriously doesn't help.
 
7ontheline said:
Well, you might as well quit ophthalmology now. If you don't have it by July 1st of your first year, you clearly will never get it.

Anyway, I start by pointing my light at the eye and then sliding the lens into position. This way I know the light is in the right place, and I just have to move the lens around a little to get a good view. Everyone kinda does it differently. You'll figure it out. Don't stress - personally I believe that taking things too seriously doesn't help.


I agree and can remember the frustration of feeling like everyone else can see this amazing new world, and I was stuck in reverse, pretending to see what others were, all the while fearing that I would never "get it".

Here are some pointers. With consistent practice you should be able to focus on parts of the retina within a week or so. This is the first battle. In order to do this best, I think you should do the following steps:

1. First, draw out a diagram of a retina or get a picture to practice on, so you can spend as much time as needed practicing on something that won't get light toxicity. Remember that everything you see is upside-down and backwards!

2. Once you get the hang of it with a piece of paper, you are ready to try real patients. You need to have a consistent pattern of directing the patient where to look so that you maintain your orientation. I start by having the patient look directly up, the up and left, then directly left, etc until I have covered the entire periphery, and then tell them to look straight into the light.

3. In order to get an image to focus on the retina, perform the following steps (if right handed). Look at the right eye first. Take your left hand and with your thumb and index finger, open the patient's eye. Next, shine your indirect light on the dilated pupil. With your right hand holding the 20D lens, slide it into place. I would use the pinky of my right hand against the patient's nose and brace the lens on the dorsum of my left hand. This gave me a stable platform to move my lens in or out. Once you get that flash of red, you are in the ballpark, and fine-tune it from there. Eventually you will not need to brace the lens against your left hand, but it definitely helps at first.

at first I put my headlamp way too close to the patient, and because of that I did not get a very wide view. That is ok at first, because you are trying to learn how to keep an image in focus. As you get better, you will learn to pull your head away from the patient and you'll get a wider view. Also, if you are getting disoriented on drawing what you see, just turn the progress note upside down and draw what you see. It works! Most of all, be persistent. This is the first of many new challenges that make you feel uncomfortable as an ophthalmology resident. I teaches perseverance, which you will definitely need over your residency.

Just my 0.02$
 
Thanks guys - you're the best!!! It's a miracle...after some minor adjustments (per your advice) I can finally see great images through the indirect! Whew...what a relief! Thanks a bunch!
 
The most important thing you can do to get an easily focused image of the retina is use a diffuser with your indirect lens. The focused beam that most of the new indirect ophthalmolscopes use requires a lot more technique in terms of alignment of the lens and light source. Both will give a good image, but using the diffuser will allow for a lot more play in the system. Of course, it helps to have a big pupil initially too.
 
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