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There has been talk about Hawaii's new dental school. Here is the link to an interesting article about it: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8538582
Hawaii College of Dental Medicine
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How about this about their sister school:
HAWAII COLLEGE OF PHARMACY IS NOT ACCREDITED
BY AN ACCREDITING AGENCY
RECOGNIZED BY THE UNITED STATES
SECRETARY OF EDUCATION.
Note: In the United States, many licensing authorities require accredited degrees as the basis for eligibility for licensing. In some cases, accredited colleges may not accept for transfer courses and degrees completed at unaccredited colleges, and some employers may require an accredited degree as a basis for eligibility for employment.
Copyright © 2003 Pacific Educational Services. All Rights Reserved.
http://www.hicp.org/
HAWAII COLLEGE OF PHARMACY IS NOT ACCREDITED
BY AN ACCREDITING AGENCY
RECOGNIZED BY THE UNITED STATES
SECRETARY OF EDUCATION.
Note: In the United States, many licensing authorities require accredited degrees as the basis for eligibility for licensing. In some cases, accredited colleges may not accept for transfer courses and degrees completed at unaccredited colleges, and some employers may require an accredited degree as a basis for eligibility for employment.
Copyright © 2003 Pacific Educational Services. All Rights Reserved.
http://www.hicp.org/
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I wouldn't even attend that dental school if it was the only one that accepted me. Their sister school has a weird odor coming from it. Ever been with a not so fresh girl? Its not pretty man, not pretty at all. Too many red flags to even apply here.
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Plus the dean is a corrupt politician.
This is copied and pasted from the hawaii college of pharmacy thread
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=172613
Looks like Rawson the dean of the purported Hawaii dental school run by the HI College of Pharmacy left a mess behind him and is not so respectable? see:
http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/issues/2005-04-21/news/feature_6.html
Also, I saw the Pacific Business News article and he seems to have weak ethics as well. The story is very misleading with claims he couldn't support if challenged. Pacific Business News should talk to the dental association and dentists in Hawaii who know that the claims of a dental school are all another scam. He stated that the HICP was "well on it's way to accreditation", which we know is an outright lie. Sounds like he fits right in with the crew at HICP. The Hawaii Medical School dean's comments were brief but to the point. No kind words or encouragement, but he simply stated that the University of Hawaii would not affililiate themselves with an unaccredited program. All HICP students must see this article.
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Originally Posted by All4MyDaughter
Hawaii College of Dental Medicine is indeed taking applications for 2006 through AADSAS. The Dean is listed as Raymond D. Rawson, DDS, MA. The physical address is the same as HICP (I think) and email inquires go to [email protected]
A google search for Raymond Rawson brings up quite a bit of info. He was honored as Loma Linda University's dental alum of the year in 2005. He's been a state senator in Nevada since 1985. He's a forensic dentist who has been involved in some fairly high profile cases.
http://www.llu.edu/llu/dentistry/al...fyr/rawson.html
http://www.leg.state.nv.us/70th/Leg...tors/RAWSON.htm
Wonder why he'd want to be involved with this mess?
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I was raped by HICP and lost 40 grand and a year of my life. Also, I am from Las Vegas and have been raped by Ray Rawsin. The man is not only a terrible dentist (read the PHX article) and a liar but he ramroaded taxes down all of our throats. He is the reason for the UNLV dental school, which I will probably attend (ironic huh?), however, NV doesn't need a dental school and it is costing tax payers WAY more money to fund this school than it would be to pay students to go to other schools (like through the WICHE program).
Ray Rawsin has no morals or ethics, which is precisely why he is involved with the likes of dean Sadam Hasan of HICP. HICP is an utter joke and just passed everyone on every exam including the cumulative final. They rip you off, take your soul and give you absolutely nothing in return.
I feel violated haha.
But seriously, please heed my warnings, head over to the Pharmacy students forum, read the last 20 pages or so of the HICP thread that muse has posted and you get get a good feel about what exactly is going on over there.
Please read this article also, written by Stewart Yerton of the star bulletin on HICP
http://starbulletin.com/2005/07/14/news/index2.html
Ray Rawsin has no morals or ethics, which is precisely why he is involved with the likes of dean Sadam Hasan of HICP. HICP is an utter joke and just passed everyone on every exam including the cumulative final. They rip you off, take your soul and give you absolutely nothing in return.
I feel violated haha.
But seriously, please heed my warnings, head over to the Pharmacy students forum, read the last 20 pages or so of the HICP thread that muse has posted and you get get a good feel about what exactly is going on over there.
Please read this article also, written by Stewart Yerton of the star bulletin on HICP
http://starbulletin.com/2005/07/14/news/index2.html
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Are you John Quinn by any chance?JohnHICP said:
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Look at this:
"However, state officials say it's unlikely the dental school will receive accreditation because of Hawaii's limited population base and laws that don't allow unlicensed dental students to treat patients."
Thats one mega blow when the state says this. Why even attempt to open a dental school if the law prohibits students from working on patients? Are the students just going to shadow during their 3 and 4 the years???
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8866583/
"However, state officials say it's unlikely the dental school will receive accreditation because of Hawaii's limited population base and laws that don't allow unlicensed dental students to treat patients."
Thats one mega blow when the state says this. Why even attempt to open a dental school if the law prohibits students from working on patients? Are the students just going to shadow during their 3 and 4 the years???
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8866583/
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Anyone interested in wasting their life at HICD, head over to the Pharmacy Students forum and read the post with the court transcripts from today's hearing.
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=172613&page=65&pp=25
The judge made the injunction permanent and froze all assets. We should be getting some of our money back and the school probably wont open.
RawSIN was there to witness the carnage and I hope he got a good look at what his future looks like.
So much for that pathetic excuse for a pharmacy/dental school.
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=172613&page=65&pp=25
The judge made the injunction permanent and froze all assets. We should be getting some of our money back and the school probably wont open.
RawSIN was there to witness the carnage and I hope he got a good look at what his future looks like.
So much for that pathetic excuse for a pharmacy/dental school.
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Aug. 10, 2005
Copyright © Las Vegas Review-Journal
Troubles rise for school, Rawson
Court orders college to halt financial deals
By ROD SMITH
GAMING WIRE
The assets and accounts of a holding company for the year-old Hawaii College of Pharmacy have been frozen, spurring new concerns among gaming industry observers about Nevada Gaming Commissioner Ray Rawson's role in helping start up a sister dental school.
The former Nevada senator is the founding dean of the Hawaii College of Dental Medicine, which is to open in 2006 as a sister school for Pacific Educational Services' pharmacy college in Kapolei on Oahu.
A Hawaii court last week issued a temporary restraining order prohibiting Pacific Educational from engaging in any financial transactions in response to a lawsuit filed by the state's Department of Commerce and Consumer Affairs, which is investigating a series of complaints accusing the yet-to-be-accredited pharmacy school of unfair and deceptive business practices.
The order also applies to the incipient dental college, blocking its further development at least until the issues involved in the state's lawsuit have been resolved, Hawaii sources said.
The dental school that Rawson is helping launch is not involved in the state's lawsuit over unfair business practices, but his role as the founding dean of a professional college is raising concerns among many industry experts about how Nevada selects its regulators and how effective Rawson can be on the commission.
Jim Medick, chief executive officer of the MRC Group, Nevada's largest market research firm, said Rawson's involvement in the brewing issue undermines the public confidence he is charged to uphold in the regulatory process.
"The question that then begs to be answered is how will he judge anyone accused of deceptive business practices as a Nevada Gaming Commission member. The answer is he can't," Medick said. "This is another case of what I have labeled catch-me-if-you-can" politics.
"If the 60 percent of us Nevadans cared enough to say our piece and maybe even vote, we would tell Mr. Rawson that the color gray doesn't work in the Nevada Gaming Commission. It's black or white or you are out," he said.
Hal Rothman, a professor at the University of Nevada Las Vegas, questioned how effective Rawson will be with the dual jobs.
"Nevada has too much at stake to permit regulators who do not have full commitment to the state as well as an unassailable reputation," he said. "The integrity of the gaming industry demands commissioners who are actively engaged in observing and evaluating the industry and its participants."
Nevada is one of only a handful of states in which dual-office holding is not a major conflict of interest, said University of Nevada, Las Vegas professor Bill Thompson, who specializes in gaming studies.
"Our state makes it very difficult to deal with (such) ethical situations," he said. "It's just not in our best interest to have a gaming regulator whose feet are also firmly entrenched in (public) activities in another state, in this case thousands of miles away."
Rawson, who could not be reached for comment, has said that he has made arrangements so he will be able to manage both of his jobs effectively. He has not commented on where he will reside most of the time.
In addition to his home in the Summerlin community, Rawson purchased a $950,000 home in an upscale Honolulu residential development on May 10, about a month after his appointment to the Gaming Commission, according to conveyance documents at the Honolulu Real Property Assessment and Treasury Division. The house is about five minutes from the dental school campus.
Rothman said any conflict-of-interest concerns are compounded by the residency question, in this situation because of the demands that forming a new professional school will put on Rawson.
"The job of a founding dean would be a full-time job and then some. It requires a tremendous amount of community involvement, building personal and professional ties in the community, profession, and state, and would require a great deal more than 40 hours a week," he said. "In my estimation, the role of gaming commissioner can only effectively be performed by a full-time Nevada resident."
Observers also agree that the Rawson issue raises some serious issues for Nevada's gaming industry and underscores the need for a confirmation process that holds regulators to the same high standards as those set for gaming licensees.
"We should go to a full vetting of individuals selected, a process similar to that of New Jersey's and maybe even more stringent," Rothman said. "Potential commissioners should expect to be held accountable to the highest standards. They should expect their financial and personal relationships with the industry to be made public and scrutinized, and they should be held accountable to even a higher standard than elected officials.
"In many ways, the state economy depends on their judgment," he said.
Keith Schwer, director of the University of Nevada, Las Vegas' Center for Business and Economic Research who specializes in public finance, concurs.
He said the issue along the lines of the one that Rawson is involved in could compromise the gaming industry's sound standing with Wall Street, which wants thorough and honest regulatory process to encourage investor confidence.
Thompson suggests that kind of transparency requires that all members of the Gaming Control Board and Gaming Commission be subject to the same type of background review that is done for major licensees.
Further, he said, "the state Senate should have to give advise and consent" for all appointments.
Hawaii is suing the pharmacy school and trying to force its founders and Rawson's partners, two former employees at UNLV's College of Pharmacy in Henderson, to return the $28,000 in tuition paid by 240 students who enrolled in courses last year. The total exceeds $6.7 million.
Hawaii claims the pharmacy school, which had five teachers, violated state statutes for unaccredited colleges and engaged in deceptive trade practices by misleading students about the school's accreditation and its services.
Rawson's partners last year falsely assured the Office of Consumer Protection it had enrolled no students and would not until it was accredited, court records show.
The state also found the partners had failed to even apply for pre-candidacy accreditation status despite written promises to do so and still started accepting student applications last spring.
Rawson has said he has no plans to sever ties with the dental college, barring "evidence or convictions."
The state's gaming commissioners, who are paid $40,000 a year, have other employment. Rawson's term runs through April 2008.
Copyright © Las Vegas Review-Journal
Troubles rise for school, Rawson
Court orders college to halt financial deals
By ROD SMITH
GAMING WIRE
The assets and accounts of a holding company for the year-old Hawaii College of Pharmacy have been frozen, spurring new concerns among gaming industry observers about Nevada Gaming Commissioner Ray Rawson's role in helping start up a sister dental school.
The former Nevada senator is the founding dean of the Hawaii College of Dental Medicine, which is to open in 2006 as a sister school for Pacific Educational Services' pharmacy college in Kapolei on Oahu.
A Hawaii court last week issued a temporary restraining order prohibiting Pacific Educational from engaging in any financial transactions in response to a lawsuit filed by the state's Department of Commerce and Consumer Affairs, which is investigating a series of complaints accusing the yet-to-be-accredited pharmacy school of unfair and deceptive business practices.
The order also applies to the incipient dental college, blocking its further development at least until the issues involved in the state's lawsuit have been resolved, Hawaii sources said.
The dental school that Rawson is helping launch is not involved in the state's lawsuit over unfair business practices, but his role as the founding dean of a professional college is raising concerns among many industry experts about how Nevada selects its regulators and how effective Rawson can be on the commission.
Jim Medick, chief executive officer of the MRC Group, Nevada's largest market research firm, said Rawson's involvement in the brewing issue undermines the public confidence he is charged to uphold in the regulatory process.
"The question that then begs to be answered is how will he judge anyone accused of deceptive business practices as a Nevada Gaming Commission member. The answer is he can't," Medick said. "This is another case of what I have labeled catch-me-if-you-can" politics.
"If the 60 percent of us Nevadans cared enough to say our piece and maybe even vote, we would tell Mr. Rawson that the color gray doesn't work in the Nevada Gaming Commission. It's black or white or you are out," he said.
Hal Rothman, a professor at the University of Nevada Las Vegas, questioned how effective Rawson will be with the dual jobs.
"Nevada has too much at stake to permit regulators who do not have full commitment to the state as well as an unassailable reputation," he said. "The integrity of the gaming industry demands commissioners who are actively engaged in observing and evaluating the industry and its participants."
Nevada is one of only a handful of states in which dual-office holding is not a major conflict of interest, said University of Nevada, Las Vegas professor Bill Thompson, who specializes in gaming studies.
"Our state makes it very difficult to deal with (such) ethical situations," he said. "It's just not in our best interest to have a gaming regulator whose feet are also firmly entrenched in (public) activities in another state, in this case thousands of miles away."
Rawson, who could not be reached for comment, has said that he has made arrangements so he will be able to manage both of his jobs effectively. He has not commented on where he will reside most of the time.
In addition to his home in the Summerlin community, Rawson purchased a $950,000 home in an upscale Honolulu residential development on May 10, about a month after his appointment to the Gaming Commission, according to conveyance documents at the Honolulu Real Property Assessment and Treasury Division. The house is about five minutes from the dental school campus.
Rothman said any conflict-of-interest concerns are compounded by the residency question, in this situation because of the demands that forming a new professional school will put on Rawson.
"The job of a founding dean would be a full-time job and then some. It requires a tremendous amount of community involvement, building personal and professional ties in the community, profession, and state, and would require a great deal more than 40 hours a week," he said. "In my estimation, the role of gaming commissioner can only effectively be performed by a full-time Nevada resident."
Observers also agree that the Rawson issue raises some serious issues for Nevada's gaming industry and underscores the need for a confirmation process that holds regulators to the same high standards as those set for gaming licensees.
"We should go to a full vetting of individuals selected, a process similar to that of New Jersey's and maybe even more stringent," Rothman said. "Potential commissioners should expect to be held accountable to the highest standards. They should expect their financial and personal relationships with the industry to be made public and scrutinized, and they should be held accountable to even a higher standard than elected officials.
"In many ways, the state economy depends on their judgment," he said.
Keith Schwer, director of the University of Nevada, Las Vegas' Center for Business and Economic Research who specializes in public finance, concurs.
He said the issue along the lines of the one that Rawson is involved in could compromise the gaming industry's sound standing with Wall Street, which wants thorough and honest regulatory process to encourage investor confidence.
Thompson suggests that kind of transparency requires that all members of the Gaming Control Board and Gaming Commission be subject to the same type of background review that is done for major licensees.
Further, he said, "the state Senate should have to give advise and consent" for all appointments.
Hawaii is suing the pharmacy school and trying to force its founders and Rawson's partners, two former employees at UNLV's College of Pharmacy in Henderson, to return the $28,000 in tuition paid by 240 students who enrolled in courses last year. The total exceeds $6.7 million.
Hawaii claims the pharmacy school, which had five teachers, violated state statutes for unaccredited colleges and engaged in deceptive trade practices by misleading students about the school's accreditation and its services.
Rawson's partners last year falsely assured the Office of Consumer Protection it had enrolled no students and would not until it was accredited, court records show.
The state also found the partners had failed to even apply for pre-candidacy accreditation status despite written promises to do so and still started accepting student applications last spring.
Rawson has said he has no plans to sever ties with the dental college, barring "evidence or convictions."
The state's gaming commissioners, who are paid $40,000 a year, have other employment. Rawson's term runs through April 2008.
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Aug. 12, 2005
Copyright © Las Vegas Review-Journal
Dental school threatened by Hawaii court action
By ROD SMITH
GAMING WIRE
Ray Rawson Nevada gaming regulator says dental school plans in jeopardy.
A Hawaii state court may have sealed the fate of the dental college being set up by Nevada Gaming Commissioner Ray Rawson when it effectively shut down its holding company, Pacific Educational Services.
Hawaii Circuit Judge Sabrina McKenna on Wednesday confirmed a temporary restraining order issued last week freezing the holding company's assets and those of all affiliated organizations, including the year-old Hawaii College of Pharmacy.
The pharmacy school dean, H.A. Hasan, said in a written statement that he was "extremely disappointed" by the court injunction and that it would force the school to fold.
Rawson conceded Wednesday's that the court action against the holding company also jeopardized the future of the Hawaii College of Dental Medicine, a sister professional school he has been working to set up in Honolulu.
He declined to comment further as long as a lawsuit by the state of Hawaii is still pending in court there.
However, sources close to the case said the judge's actions Wednesday were intended to pave the way for settling the state's lawsuit and possibly repaying tuition and other fees students at the pharmacy school have paid.
The restraining order resulted from a lawsuit filed by the Hawaii Department of Commerce and Consumer Affairs for unfair and deceptive business practices that came to light after a series of complaints filed by students since 2003. The state alleges the pharmacy school falsely led students to believe it would soon by recognized by an accrediting institution.
The state has asked the court to impose civil penalties and to award the students full restitution. The school received a total of $6.7 million in tuition payments.
The Hawaii court also heard evidence that Pacific Educational Services has a negative worth of $400,000, because of a transfer of approximately $500,000 in student tuition to the planned dental school.
Rawson also declined to comment on the transfer or other specific issues involved in the case as long as the lawsuit is still pending.
The ruling Wednesday retained a freeze on the assets of the college's parent company, Pacific Educational Services Co. of Nevada, and its founders, Denise Criswell and David Monroe, leaving the college unable to pay expenses.
Criswell previously was the financial officer for the University of Southern Nevada and Monroe was its librarian.
Gaming Commission Chairman Peter Bernhard declined to comment on the ongoing case except to say Rawson has met all of his responsibilities as a gaming commissioner.
The case has raised concerns among gaming industry observers about Rawson's ability to serve as a gaming regulator in Nevada and as founding dean of the dental school in Hawaii as well as concerns about how regulators are appointed in Nevada.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
Aug. 12, 2005
Copyright © Las Vegas Review-Journal
Dental school threatened by Hawaii court action
By ROD SMITH
GAMING WIRE
Ray Rawson Nevada gaming regulator says dental school plans in jeopardy.
A Hawaii state court may have sealed the fate of the dental college being set up by Nevada Gaming Commissioner Ray Rawson when it effectively shut down its holding company, Pacific Educational Services.
Hawaii Circuit Judge Sabrina McKenna on Wednesday confirmed a temporary restraining order issued last week freezing the holding company's assets and those of all affiliated organizations, including the year-old Hawaii College of Pharmacy.
The pharmacy school dean, H.A. Hasan, said in a written statement that he was "extremely disappointed" by the court injunction and that it would force the school to fold.
Rawson conceded Wednesday's that the court action against the holding company also jeopardized the future of the Hawaii College of Dental Medicine, a sister professional school he has been working to set up in Honolulu.
He declined to comment further as long as a lawsuit by the state of Hawaii is still pending in court there.
However, sources close to the case said the judge's actions Wednesday were intended to pave the way for settling the state's lawsuit and possibly repaying tuition and other fees students at the pharmacy school have paid.
The restraining order resulted from a lawsuit filed by the Hawaii Department of Commerce and Consumer Affairs for unfair and deceptive business practices that came to light after a series of complaints filed by students since 2003. The state alleges the pharmacy school falsely led students to believe it would soon by recognized by an accrediting institution.
The state has asked the court to impose civil penalties and to award the students full restitution. The school received a total of $6.7 million in tuition payments.
The Hawaii court also heard evidence that Pacific Educational Services has a negative worth of $400,000, because of a transfer of approximately $500,000 in student tuition to the planned dental school.
Rawson also declined to comment on the transfer or other specific issues involved in the case as long as the lawsuit is still pending.
The ruling Wednesday retained a freeze on the assets of the college's parent company, Pacific Educational Services Co. of Nevada, and its founders, Denise Criswell and David Monroe, leaving the college unable to pay expenses.
Criswell previously was the financial officer for the University of Southern Nevada and Monroe was its librarian.
Gaming Commission Chairman Peter Bernhard declined to comment on the ongoing case except to say Rawson has met all of his responsibilities as a gaming commissioner.
The case has raised concerns among gaming industry observers about Rawson's ability to serve as a gaming regulator in Nevada and as founding dean of the dental school in Hawaii as well as concerns about how regulators are appointed in Nevada.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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Wow, you brought this thread back from the dead. Hawaii is not accepting applications this year. I believe their assets were frozen due to their shady dealings in their pharmacy school.
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For the class that would start Aug 06 (Class of 2010). If you're talking about 07, then I don't know. I wouldn't waste my money on that school though. At this point, I'm not sure they'd get initial accredidation anyways. Why would you want to go to a school that is run by people that have a history of ripping students off, and have had their assets frozen? If you're interested, I may have some hot real estate to sell you. 
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Sumoz, there is no HICDM. AADSAS sent a message saying that they werent accepting applications and HICP is still being sued and the assets still being frozen and liquidated (hopefully), and some of us are waiting for a couple bucks back. There will not be any DS associated with these criminals, or any other school for that matter.
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