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hi everyone!

i was on aadsas's site where they list all participating dental schools and at the bottom was hawaii college of dental medicine. there's no website to the school and 2006 would be the first incoming class.

anyone hear anything about it? public? private? how many they're taking in?

there is a disclaimer that they are "actively seeking accreditation through the ADA's Commission"

i've emailed the admissions officer but have yet to hear from them. any info would be great! thanks in advance!!!

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F*R*I*E*N*D*S said:
hi everyone!

i was on aadsas's site where they list all participating dental schools and at the bottom was hawaii college of dental medicine. there's no website to the school and 2006 would be the first incoming class.

anyone hear anything about it? public? private? how many they're taking in?

there is a disclaimer that they are "actively seeking accreditation through the ADA's Commission"

i've emailed the admissions officer but have yet to hear from them. any info would be great! thanks in advance!!!

Nope, nothing here. I look all over the place.
 
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Wow, i have to check this out. However I would recommend that you apply to other places in addn to Hawaii and when you do get 1+ acceptances, I would choose some school that has already been established for a good number of years. If hawaii is the only one, well then naturally u would have to attend that school. If u are very adamant about Hawaii, take a look at their faculty, course curriculum, funding, and facilities once they have that settled.

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Yeah Hawaii will be having a dental school with the first class entering in the fall of 2006 and graduating in 2010. Should be interesting....I would love to go to school in Hawaii 🙂 but it is not yet accredited and has no reputation so unfortunately I will be going somewhere else. But the option is always open to practice in Hawaii after.
 
WEto;j;awejro;ajwt! I'm a year early!!

If it becomes accredited... 4 years in hawaii ?!?! Jesus christ it would definitely be #1 choice.
 
No kidding....I think Hawaii might be the ONLY place that could unseat OHSU from my number one choice slot.
 
I couldnt google any info on this new Hawaii school, but if it does exist, you can be sure that its gonna give HIGHHH preference in-state, with out of state requirements making it impossible.
 
Keep in mind it is a small, very isolated island with a high cost of living and it is really expensive to visit the mainland. 😳
 
That or it could be a private school. I get the feeling that Hawaii probably doesn't have a big enough population (my guess would be around 1,250,000 people or so counting all of the islands) to need to be churning out 40+ DDS's per year or to pull enough people from in-state to make a decent sized class.

I guess we shall see if anything comes of this. 🙂
 
Sprgrover said:
Keep in mind it is a small, very isolated island with a high cost of living and it is really expensive to visit the mainland. 😳
True....screw it....I'll stay on the mainland.
 
i visited a friend who lives in Hilo on the Big Island, and his family was telling me how they have very little doctors and dentists on their island. it's really hard to schedule an appointment because there are so little health professionals and so many patients. i think there are two hospitals on that island, one on one side and one on the far other side. since i told them i wanted to become a dentist, they want me to move there and open a practice when i become a dentst! haha. it's kinda far from home ... so maybe not. but i also remember them telling me, especially in Big Island, where it's very scenic/country-like.. one main highway, there is a law where buildings cannot be more than three stories, etc etc.. people do not have a lot of money..so health professionals cannot charge too much either. so, dentists and doctors opt to practice on Oahu where it's more populated and city like. well, yea -- I wonder what island the dental school will be on. Probably Oahu?
 
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Looks like I'm gonna transfer my senior year :laugh: I've been looking into the cost of living of different cities, including Oahu since my wifes from there, and Hawaii isn't as bad compared to let's say Los Angeles, New York, and San Fran. But for a tiny island, it is definitely on the high end.
 
That would be a great school. But I'm betting it's going to be public, with a class size of less that 40 a year. And, I'm like many of you. I'd most likely want to avoid the growing pains associated with a new school, so I'd attend somewhere else if I had multiple acceptances.
 
Wow! last year they opened Pharmacy school and next year Dental school. I had a friend who applied to the pharm school last year just 2 weeks before school started and still got in. The only thing he complained was that since it was not an accredited school, he had to fund all his expenses via a private loan.
 
Since its not accredited yet, do you think it wouldnt be "as hard" to get in there? When do you guys think it will be accredited?
 
I just talked to an admissions person there (my uncle) and they are looking for students with a 3.4+ and 19+. If you don't have that then you will be sent a rejection letter. Tution will be $2,500 a year (that is not a mis-print) and if you show up to class and make your best effort on an exam (even if you fail) you will pass. They are building a new dental student housing over looking the ocean and that will be included in the price of the tution. So not only is it an awesome location with tons of patients, it is the most perfect dental school in the nation.
 
There is a pharmacy school in Kapolei that I think is going to headed by the same guys. www.hicp.org

They are having problems getting accredited for their pharmacy school, so I don't know how they are going to get their dental school accredited.

It sounds really interesting, but I am getting scared by hicp's web site (if it is run by the same people) -- they are making their pharmacy school look like a prolong vacation not a place for professional education.
 
there isn't a website up, yet. i'm hoping the linda chapman will be replying soon about the school.
 
i think the adcom are shooting too high. i doubt that an applicant with a 3.4+ GPA and 19+ DAT scores would go to Hawaii when they'd get into almost any other school that has a record of board scores, reputable and is accredited.

did your uncle say if it's private or public?
 
I really hope my formerly proposed Alma Mater gets the CODM, Hawaii Pacific University. That would make it private. But I'm sure they don't have the cash to run such a school. University of Hawaii system prob. has it. I would have loved to apply to that regardless, public or private, accredited or non!
 
Here is an update:
[from my former classmates at good ol' HPU]

The school is most likely a private school.
It is closely associated with the Hawaii College of Pharmacy, which has a deeply commercial background. As evidenced by numerous trademark symbols and advertisments on its webpage: http://www.hicp.org.
This is a little odd. Will this be the first for-profit dental school? We may have a DeVry/ITT Tech on our hands.


The College of Dentistry will have the following address: www.hicd.org
Its not up yet though.
 
F*R*I*E*N*D*S said:
i think the adcom are shooting too high. i doubt that an applicant with a 3.4+ GPA and 19+ DAT scores would go to Hawaii when they'd get into almost any other school that has a record of board scores, reputable and is accredited.

did your uncle say if it's private or public?

I'm sure he's just kidding :laugh:
 
dental2008 said:
I just talked to an admissions person there (my uncle) and they are looking for students with a 3.4+ and 19+. If you don't have that then you will be sent a rejection letter. Tution will be $2,500 a year (that is not a mis-print) and if you show up to class and make your best effort on an exam (even if you fail) you will pass. They are building a new dental student housing over looking the ocean and that will be included in the price of the tution. So not only is it an awesome location with tons of patients, it is the most perfect dental school in the nation.
Heaven! :laugh:
 
I am flying into Hawaii so where exactly is this school going to be! I might go and visit if it does exist!

HD
 
HAWAII
Hawaii College of Dental Medicine
Deadline: March 1

Raymond D. Rawson, DDS, MA
Linda Chapman, Office of Admissions
Hawaii College of Dental Medicine
949 Kamokila Blvd, Suite 375
Kapolei, Hawaii 96707-2207
Telephone: (808) 674-8765
Fax: (808) 674-9997
Email: [email protected]


Send these materials to the dental school at the same time you send AADSAS materials:
Application fee $100.00
Official DAT scores
Send these materials to the dental school only when an admissions officer contacts you:
Supplemental application
2" x 2" photograph
Three letters of recommendation

Note: Hawaii College of Dental Medicine is a developing school that will be accepting its first class in September 2006. It is actively seeking accreditation through the American Dental Association's Commission on Dental Accreditation. All students will be kept abreast of the progress on accreditation-eligible status.
 
So if they are not accredited what does that mean in regards to taking boards and practicing?
 
amartins02 said:
So if they are not accredited what does that mean in regards to taking boards and practicing?

Providing they were able to graduate a class, their first do so would also bring them the final step to accreditation. UNLV is not fully accredited yet either, but no problems for them and their students until 2008.
 
How long does it take for a school to become accredited. Is this a difficult process?
 
Clipse said:
How long does it take for a school to become accredited. Is this a difficult process?

I suppose accrediting any school designed to train health professionals will be rigorous. But at the very least it will take four years for accreditation.
 
Clipse said:
How long does it take for a school to become accredited. Is this a difficult process?

i'm copying and pasting the accredation process...it's super long.

Process

Accreditation by the Commission involves the following steps:

Application for Accreditation
Accreditation is a voluntary process. The chief executive officer of the sponsoring institution submits a program's application for accreditation to the Commission.

Self-Analysis
The educational program staff completes a self-analysis and prepares a self-study report. The report reflects the program's self-assessment of it sponsorship, resources, curriculum, effectiveness and of its operational and student policies and practices.

On-Site Review
The site visit team members are selected on the basis of their expertise in the discipline or the areas being evaluated. They interview administrators, faculty, staff and students affiliated with the program and examine documents. The data collected during this on-site review allow the Commission to determine whether or not the program meets minimum accreditation standards. The on-site visit also verifies the information provided in the self-study report.

Site Visit Report
The team prepares a report delineating the strengths and weaknesses of the program. This report is reviewed by the institution's administrators before it is submitted to the Commission. Both the preliminary report and any response received from the institution are considered when the Commission makes its final determination of accreditation status.

Accreditation Action
The Commission and its discipline specific review committees meet twice each year, usually in January and July. Following each semiannual Commission meeting, formal notification of each accreditation decision is sent to the chief executive officer of the sponsoring institution. In addition, an updated list of all accredited programs is distributed to the dental community and is made available to the public.

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Evaluation Cycle

To maintain an accreditation status, all programs must be reevaluated with an on-site review at regular intervals. All programs are reviewed every seven years, except for programs in the specialty of oral and maxillofacial surgery, which are reviewed every five years. If major changes have occurred that could affect the program's ability to meet accreditation standards, a special site visit may be conducted.

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Coordinated Site Visits

If an institution offers more than one dental educational program, the Commission tries to evaluate all programs during a single site visit. Additionally, the Commission encourages the coordination of its evaluations with evaluations of regional and/or other nationally recognized accrediting associations. It will make every effort to coordinate its evaluations with those of other associations if requested to do so by an institution.

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The Multi-Level Review Process

A system of committees ensures reliability through a multi-level review of site visit and other accreditation reports. This system also ensures adequate and equitable representation of the communities of interest through participation in the different levels which include:

site visit teams tailored to each discipline and type of program;
discipline-specific review committees;
the Commission on Dental Accreditation; and
the Commission's independent Appeal Board.
The Commission has sole authority for activities pertaining to the accreditation of more than 1,300 educational programs in the dental and dental-related disciplines. The accreditation review process is based on nationally accepted standards established by the Commission to guide program administrators, faculty and staff in developing and maintaining acceptable quality in educational programs.

Any program wishing to be accredited by the Commission uses the accreditation standards in conducting a self-analysis and preparing a self-study report for an on-site evaluation team. The team reviews the self-study report and evaluates the program on site to determine the degree to which it complies with the accreditation standards. The site visit team prepares a written site visit report which, along with the institution's written response to the report, is then reviewed at the next level by the appropriate review committee prior to final action by the Commission.

Such a multi-level review assures institutions that their programs are reviewed by the appropriate experts and that accreditation standards are applied similarly between institutions and programs. This latter point refers to the degree of consistency of judgments made in evaluating educational programs, or the reliability of the process. The review process ensures that the accreditation standards are applied in the same way by different individuals involved in the evaluation and decision-making processes. Each review level encompasses a broader perspective which contributes to the consistency of the Commission's accreditation actions.

The "checks and balances" that are an important part of its multi-level system have been consistently identified as one of the Commission's many strengths as an accrediting agency.

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The Review Committees

Prior to review and action on accreditation matters, the Commission assigns site visit reports, progress reports and other reports to the discipline specific review committees. In these committees, each report is assigned to a primary and secondary reviewer. Recommendations on accreditation status are acted upon by the Commission only after the careful preliminary reviews by the review committees. Review committees are composed of experts in the respective fields. Each review committee is chaired by a Commissioner.

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The Commission Appeal Board

The final level in the Commission's review process is the independent Appeal Board. When all other avenues of due process have been explored, any program has the right to appeal an adverse accreditation decision (i.e., denial or withdrawal of accreditation) to the Appeal Board. This body is separate from the Commission and could support the decision of the Commission or refer a case back to the Commission for further consideration. More specific information about the composition and duties of the Appeal Board is available upon request.

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Special Appearance

Although not a separate "level" in the review process, the Commission also provides programs with the opportunity to request a special appearance before a review committee or the Commission. Program representatives, groups or individuals can request an appearance before the Commission to discuss any special issue or topic of concern. This is another important way in which the communities of interest are provided with direct input into the Commission's accreditation process. The freedom to request special hearings on any topic for any reason is also an additional means of ensuring the due process rights of accredited programs.

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Results Of The Multi-Level Review

The multiple level review process has led to a reliable accreditation process for institutions. Standards are applied consistently and equitably to all programs. The inclusion of different people with broader perspectives and broader concerns in the membership of the Commission enhances the reliability of its process. The consistency with which consultant and review committees have independently applied the standards has been monitored since the Commission was established.

Almost unanimous agreement among the site visit team, the primary and secondary reviewers, the review committees and the Commission on recommendations based on review of the same information means that programs receive accreditation recommendations and status based on the most thorough and objective system of review possible.
 
Dr. Rawson is the same guy who started the UNLV program in 2002. There have been rumors around Las Vegas that he was asked to start the program in Hawaii as well. Interesting.

MarioMatty said:
HAWAII
Hawaii College of Dental Medicine
Deadline: March 1

Raymond D. Rawson, DDS, MA
Linda Chapman, Office of Admissions
Hawaii College of Dental Medicine
949 Kamokila Blvd, Suite 375
Kapolei, Hawaii 96707-2207
Telephone: (808) 674-8765
Fax: (808) 674-9997
Email: [email protected]


Send these materials to the dental school at the same time you send AADSAS materials:
Application fee $100.00
Official DAT scores
Send these materials to the dental school only when an admissions officer contacts you:
Supplemental application
2" x 2" photograph
Three letters of recommendation

Note: Hawaii College of Dental Medicine is a developing school that will be accepting its first class in September 2006. It is actively seeking accreditation through the American Dental Association's Commission on Dental Accreditation. All students will be kept abreast of the progress on accreditation-eligible status.
 
Does anyone know for sure if this school is private? It certainly seems to be with the $100 app fee. I tried to call and get an answering machine.
 
hawaii!!! great place, great weather...but do I want to live there for 4 years while going to an unaccredited school? i don't think so. I had the unique experiance of working at UNLV while it was building up and the school was unaccredited. I will tell you this, the diff b/w the DS1 education and the then DS1 education is like light and day. I'd say unless it has a working lab, don't even bother going.
 
mochafreak said:
Does anyone know for sure if this school is private? It certainly seems to be with the $100 app fee. I tried to call and get an answering machine.

i just got off the phone with an aadsas rep and he said it's private.
 
How can we find out more about this new school. I have looked and can't find anything.
 
amartins02 said:
So if they are not accredited what does that mean in regards to taking boards and practicing?

They will be accredited prior to entering a class or they won't stand a chance of surviving. Nobody wants to attend a non-accredited dental school. It makes it impossible to obtain a license and practice dentistry.
 
786mine said:
I will tell you this, the diff b/w the DS1 education and the then DS1 education is like light and day. I'd say unless it has a working lab, don't even bother going.

I'd agree wholly with that. That was one of the reasons I chose Arizona over UNLV in my situation.
 
ItsGavinC said:
I'd agree wholly with that. That was one of the reasons I chose Arizona over UNLV in my situation.

I'm not sure what this means. I am in the first class at UNLV and am incredibly happy with my education. Great professors. Great patient pool. Great students. Great facilities.

I think everybody going to a new school expects bumps along the road. Those bumps have definitely been there, but nothing more than that.
 
786mine said:
I will tell you this, the diff b/w the DS1 education and the then DS1 education is like light and day. I'd say unless it has a working lab, don't even bother going.


I agree with jrd...sure there were some things about the organization of the school early on that made things interesting for us, but as a whole I think our education has been very good. I'll say this, we are getting to do far more complex procedures than most dental students at our level and in my opinion, will be much more qualified to practice right after school. The complexity of our patient pool is amazing and we are managing these patients and providing their care.
In terms of the education being night and day...I don't see it. The courses are the same. The only thing different is the organization and sequence. The first years aren't seeing anything more than we did. I completely refute this statement. A working lab...we had one sink and one grinder for a whole year and we were still able to get things done. Yeah there was a line, but we weren't deprived of what we needed. I don't know what this person is talking about.
 
No web site, don't answer calls, don't respond to emails, has the same address as a pharmacy school, no info anywhere......are these guys serious about opening a dental school?
 
does anyone out there think Hawaii will be eaier to get in, being this is their first year. My stats are as follows gpa 3.4
18AA, 19 bio, 17 GC, 16Org, 14Pat, 14 QR, 23 Reading. I am thinking about risking it and hoping they become accredited within four years time
 
How much is this school going to cost. The pharmacy school is 28,000. I definetly wouldn't risk it at that cost per year!
 
Why is 28,000 expensive? Granted we have no idea how much the dental school is going to cost... but if it was the same...Unless you have a state school, that doesn't sound bad. Compare to the right hand column of this website http://dentalstats.tripod.com/03-04.htm

Also, this pharmacy school thread doesn't seem too related to the dental school. They accepted students before a dean. Great, don't we already know who the dean of the Hawaii Dental School is? So why are we to base our opinion of the dental school on this pharmacy school.
The pharmacy school didn't seek pre-accredidation.... great, what does that have to do with the dental school? "Hawaii College of Dental Medicine is a developing school that will be accepting its first class in September 2006. It is actively seeking accreditation through the American Dental Association's Commission on Dental Accreditation. All students will be kept abreast of the progress on accreditation-eligible status." So doesn't that make them different in every regard other than perhaps being in the same city as the pharmacy school?

Others on this thread said it was being started by the same guy that started UNLV. Doesn't that mean it'll probably have less hiccups than UNLV did, because the guy has done it before?

Or are people just trying to scare others away from applying so they can get in? I've noticed similar tactics with NYU and BU on this forum.
 
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