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how about this...reduce the maximum amount ppl can sue doctors for, impose other restrictions so frivolous lawsuits are avoided. this causes malpractice insurance to go down. you can then reduce doctors salaries, but they will still make the same amount of money overall so its all good. only the money hungry, do nothing, slimy, we want to exploit ppl for their money lawyers get nothing.
 
Some states already have medical review panels to help determine which claims are frivolous, but overall an entirely original and revolutionary concept that you've mentioned, can't believe it hasnt been brought up in a thread yet
 
I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
 
of course its not an original idea. i guess i was trying to say its not brought up that often. in the end resources and money are limited, why should lawyers get healthcare dollars?
 
obama's adamantly against this...how nice.

if obama believes competition is what will lead to reduced health care costs, how about this then? open up the insurance market nationally so that two or three groups don't monopolize regions, let INDIVIDUALS not employers pick the best plan for themselves. and people who cannot afford insurance get vouchers to pay their own plan.

when was the last time gov led to increased competition? that's silly -- it's just a stepping stone to single payer system, and this is not hidden.
 
if the gov. plan has to be self-sustainable (no gov subsidies), then i would imagine that it would try and offer the best price possible that keeps it afloat and should foster competition.
 
if the gov. plan has to be self-sustainable (no gov subsidies), then i would imagine that it would try and offer the best price possible that keeps it afloat and should foster competition.
medicare, social security all were supposed to be self sustaining when they were created. medicare in a few years is going to start paying out more than it takes in. i'm skeptical of gov plans that will "save" money, esp when the congressional budget office says it will increase our deficit.

if obama's plan is supposed to bring cost down, isn't medicare a very controlled experiment to demonstrate it ? do it there first, and i'll be more willing to support obama's ideas.
 
do you know a site where i could read about how medicare/social security were supposed to be self-sustaining? im not doubting you, im just curious/want to learn
 
obama's adamantly against this...how nice.

He said he's against caps on non-economic damages, and I happen to agree with him. It's a blunt instrument applied to very delicate problem. Liability is one of our most powerful weapons in fending off the encroachment of midlevels who are battling for independing practice rights. There has to be a better way to fend off frivolous suits while preserving the rights of those with meritous claims of malpractice.

linkin06 said:
that's silly -- it's just a stepping stone to single payer system, and this is not hidden.

Then why are the proponents of a single payer system so deeply disappointed?
 
while there are instances of malpractice, people in the public do not understand that medicine is not a perfect science. most of the times a cough is a cough, but yes very rarely it is lung cancer. if we worked up every little problem to the fullest extent we would go broke (this adds so much to our deficit already).

also, ppl only sue because there is money involved. they want bank.
for example, a 911 dispatcher ignores the call of a 5year old who is saying her mother is dying. dispatcher thinks its a prank call. mom is actually dying and dies, dispatcher is back on the job the next day. no lawsuit nothing. isnt that "malpractice"?
 
He said he's against caps on non-economic damages, and I happen to agree with him. It's a blunt instrument applied to very delicate problem. Liability is one of our most powerful weapons in fending off the encroachment of midlevels who are battling for independing practice rights. There has to be a better way to fend off frivolous suits while preserving the rights of those with meritous claims of malpractice.
Has he proposed anything to lower malpractice costs?
 
while there are instances of malpractice, people in the public do not understand that medicine is not a perfect science. most of the times a cough is a cough, but yes very rarely it is lung cancer. if we worked up every little problem to the fullest extent we would go broke (this adds so much to our deficit already).

also, ppl only sue because there is money involved. they want bank.
for example, a 911 dispatcher ignores the call of a 5year old who is saying her mother is dying. dispatcher thinks its a prank call. mom is actually dying and dies, dispatcher is back on the job the next day. no lawsuit nothing. isnt that "malpractice"?


You may enjoy perusing this from the 2006 New England Journal of Medicine:

Claims, errors, and compensation payments in medical malpractice litigation

Background - In the current debate over tort reform, critics of the medical malpractice system charge that frivolous litigation — claims that lack evidence of injury, substandard care, or both — is common and costly.

Methods - Trained physicians reviewed a random sample of 1452 closed malpractice claims from five liability insurers to determine whether a medical injury had occurred and, if so, whether it was due to medical error. We analyzed the prevalence, characteristics, litigation outcomes, and costs of claims that lacked evidence of error.

Results - For 3 percent of the claims, there were no verifiable medical injuries, and 37 percent did not involve errors. Most of the claims that were not associated with errors (370 of 515 [72 percent]) or injuries (31 of 37 [84 percent]) did not result in compensation; most that involved injuries due to error did (653 of 889 [73 percent]). Payment of claims not involving errors occurred less frequently than did the converse form of inaccuracy — nonpayment of claims associated with errors. When claims not involving errors were compensated, payments were significantly lower on average than were payments for claims involving errors ($313,205 vs. $521,560, P=0.004). Overall, claims not involving errors accounted for 13 to 16 percent of the system's total monetary costs. For every dollar spent on compensation, 54 cents went to administrative expenses (including those involving lawyers, experts, and courts). Claims involving errors accounted for 78 percent of total administrative costs.

Conclusions - Claims that lack evidence of error are not uncommon, but most are denied compensation. The vast majority of expenditures go toward litigation over errors and payment of them. The overhead costs of malpractice litigation are exorbitant.

 
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he did say to the AMA that they would lower malpractice insurance premiums, but not the maximum amount people can sue. i dont they he said any details though which make it skeptical at best. anyone else can enlighten me if they know more about this
 
thx for the nejm article (good read). i know the prosecution dont end up winning most of the time, but the cases take years and cost so much in legal expenses.
 
Has he proposed anything to lower malpractice costs?

I've heard the notion of protecting physicians who treat according to evidence-based guidelines, but that's about it.

Malpractice has traditionally been fought in state courts according to state laws, so that may be why the Federales aren't fooling around with it very much.
 
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