Healthcare vs sick-care. Some interesting views from a former Stanford surgeon.

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oh wow. Tucker invited a couple people on his show who have innate intelligence and guess what, not long into the video they go full steam anti-vaxx. I’m shocked. Truly shocked I tell you. Did you all hear - that lady went to STANFORD!!

Had to cut it off when they started anti-vaxx. I’m so sick of that crap. If there’s anything else worth listening to pls give me the cliff notes version.

Nutrition! I’m on board, agree.
Eat better with simple ingredients! Yep, got it. Agree.
Oh and by the way NEVER GET VACCINATED!!! It’s all big pharma trying to profit off of you and kill you!! Uhhh….errmmm….ok gotta go bye.
 
Also I don’t care if she went to Stanford. You’re just not very astute if it takes you that long to understand that by doing some sinus surgery, or taking out a diseased gallbladder, you aren’t curing HTN, DM, or obesity.

Do I wish the health system weren’t so ‘for profit’? Do I wish it was preventative and physicians were more integrated? Yeah absolutely. But I don’t need to quit being an anesthesiologist to have that light shown upon me.
 
Healthcare is complicated. In the USA.
 
I have a physician family member that has leaned into this viewpoint of "medicine" recently. Everything is about foods, supplements, vitamins, etc. Medications are evil. Vaccines are evil. Real doctors are evils. They have gone off the deep end. Read way too much dark internet stuff/propaganda.
 
If Tucker Carlson isn't a pedophile, why hasn't anyone come forward on his show to refute those claims? Why hasn't anyone provided us with evidence that he is not a pedophile?

Why hasn't Tucker come out and publicly denied being a pedophile? If he were innocent I think he would have done so by now.

I'm just asking questions here!
 
Shimmy8 said:
Surgery residency dropout who wanted to "focus" on functional medicine instead. Never finished residency and never actually worked in our system, but now is an expert on the healthcare system after she saw how "broken" it was as a surgery resident. 🙄
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“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.“
 
PpfSuxTube said:
We're the only animal that has peer reviewed nutrition studies and the only animal that has diabetes and hypertension... Give me a bloody break. Who are these fruit cakes?

This is surely the worst
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Maz777 said:
I have a physician family member that has leaned into this viewpoint of "medicine" recently. Everything is about foods, supplements, vitamins, etc. Medications are evil. Vaccines are evil. Real doctors are evils. They have gone off the deep end. Read way too much dark internet stuff/propaganda.
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What specialty was s/he previously?
 
The liberals on here take over as usual..... Obey.. Vote communist.... its a shame reading these comments...."anything by tucker carlson is garbage" because who said so? the cancel culture?
 
lotsapain said:
The liberals on here take over as usual..... Obey.. Vote communist.... it’s a shame reading these comments...."anything by tucker carlson is garbage" because who said so? the cancel culture?
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Not, I’m not saying he’s garbage, but Tucker Carlson, rising star in the Kremlin propaganda train, that Tucker Carlson? And last I checked, it’s not exactly like Russia has US interests at heart.
 
lotsapain said:
The liberals on here take over as usual..... Obey.. Vote communist.... its a shame reading these comments...."anything by tucker carlson is garbage" because who said so? the cancel culture?
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You got anything intelligent to add? Brainrot is real folks!
 
Iso4ane said:
Not, I’m not saying he’s garbage, but Tucker Carlson, rising star in the Kremlin propaganda train, that Tucker Carlson? And last I checked, it’s not exactly like Russia has US interests at heart.
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I love that clip from Tucker's trip to Russia where he visited a supermarket and feigned surprise when they had cheap bread. Just blatant propaganda to capitalize on rising food prices in the US. Even some Russian youtubers were making fun of him. Meanwhile, there are estimates suggesting 60% of Russians spend half their salary on food.

www.thewrap.com

Tucker Carlson Says Trip to Russian Grocery Store Has 'Radicalized' Him Against US Leaders: 'Legitimately Angry'

Tucker Carlson 'Radicalized' by Trip to Moscow Grocery Store
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Russian YouTuber Mocks Tucker Carlson’s Awe At Grocery Shops Having Bread

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tass.com

Over 60% of Russians spend half of their salary on food — research

More than 96% of the survey participants drew attention to the rise in food prices
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Maz777 said:
I have a physician family member that has leaned into this viewpoint of "medicine" recently. Everything is about foods, supplements, vitamins, etc. Medications are evil. Vaccines are evil. Real doctors are evils. They have gone off the deep end. Read way too much dark internet stuff/propaganda.
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Doctors are not evil and there is real validity to medical science antibiotics etc. Leeches are not the answer. That being said 80% of medical problems can be solved via loosing weight, exercising and eating less processed foods as is evident in increased longevity in Mediterranean diet countries (Italy still trying to closely control additives while Euro union is attempting to be more liberal with it).

In terms of medications being evil there is some truth to that in a sense that there is dependence potential even in anti-hypertensive meds as some of them also have psychotropic effects (beta blockers for example). Point being the pharma industry is invested in treated the disease not eliminating the root cause.
 
lotsapain said:
Doctors are not evil and there is real validity to medical science antibiotics etc. Leeches are not the answer. That being said 80% of medical problems can be solved via loosing weight, exercising and eating less processed foods as is evident in increased longevity in Mediterranean diet countries (Italy still trying to closely control additives while Euro union is attempting to be more liberal with it).

In terms of medications being evil there is some truth to that in a sense that there is dependence potential even in anti-hypertensive meds as some of them also have psychotropic effects (beta blockers for example). Point being the pharma industry is invested in treated the disease not eliminating the root cause.
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You're acting like we don't all already know this. I'm an FP, if people ate right, didn't smoke, and exercised probably 50% of us would be out of work. Likely the same for cardiology and probably worse for pulmonology.
 
There's a grain of truth to all of this, of course -- processed food is bad for us, pharma companies are trying to profit maximize, etc. That's probably part of what makes it so insidious - there are some reasonable ideas buried in there, but they're used as a trojan horse for whatever bat**** crazy conspiracy theory that grifter believes might make him money this week.

As a poster said above, Tucker Carlson argued in a court of law that he wasn't liable for what was said on his show because no one could possibly believe he was telling the truth - it was all entertainment. This is all right after he got fired from Fox News for being too crazy for the Murdoch family and promptly went to Russia and fellated a ruthless autocrat who wants to diminish US power at all costs -- you know, that country that the American right wants to "make great again", ostensibly. I'm sure several of the posters above who are "just asking questions" have multiple American flags and stand reverently at the anthem, and yet they're spreading disinformation from a Russian mouthpiece.

I am so ready for this iteration of the American right to go under - can we go back to when they were just the party of corporate welfare and oil money?

TL, DR: there's probably some truth to the underlying message until you get to the conspiracy theory stuff, but Tucker Carlson is a piece of **** (and so are people who spread his content)
 
VA Hopeful Dr said:
You're acting like we don't all already know this. I'm an FP, if people ate right, didn't smoke, and exercised probably 50% of us would be out of work. Likely the same for cardiology and probably worse for pulmonology.
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This. It is not some profound insight that overeating highly processed foods is bad, and that pharma is going to behave in a profit maximizing fashion. Food companies want to sell you food. Drug companies want to sell you drugs. We are evolutionarily maladapted to an environment of easily accessible, cheap, highly palatable, calorie dense foods. It is not some grand cabal or conspiracy, these companies are giving us what our bodies tell us they want and then helping us treat the complications of that. Evil? I'd argue inevitable.

So it falls on doctors and pharma to manage the issues associated with this lifestyle, and we do our best. Anorectic drugs like ozempic show a ton of promise in helping match our biologic drives to the environment we live in. I expect subsequent generations will be even better. By all means we should (and do!) push diet and exercise, but its fighting an uphill battle against our biologic drives.
 
lotsapain said:
Doctors are not evil and there is real validity to medical science antibiotics etc. Leeches are not the answer. That being said 80% of medical problems can be solved via loosing weight, exercising and eating less processed foods as is evident in increased longevity in Mediterranean diet countries (Italy still trying to closely control additives while Euro union is attempting to be more liberal with it).

In terms of medications being evil there is some truth to that in a sense that there is dependence potential even in anti-hypertensive meds as some of them also have psychotropic effects (beta blockers for example). Point being the pharma industry is invested in treated the disease not eliminating the root cause.
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Yes but what about issues like CTFR gene mutations? Diet and exercise doesn’t fix everything.
 
We have way overutilized healthcare in USA

So the uK does 300 a year under nhs govt healthcare

The USA does 25k (and I’m assuming the vast majority paid for by some type of healthcare)

That’s eighty times the number elective penile implants in USA than uK. Does the USA have eighty thousand more population than the uK?

Here's some information about penile implants in the UK:
  • Number of procedures
    A baseline analysis of 1,071 penile prosthesis procedures performed in the UK over three years found that the number of surgeons and centers performing the procedure was decreasing.

  • Treatment options
    The NHS only offers penile prosthesis surgery as a final treatment option for patients with end-stage erectile dysfunction.

  • Implant types
    The most common type of implant is inflatable, accounting for 62.1% of the procedures in the analysis. Malleable implants accounted for 14.2% of the implants.

  • Now compare to the USA
Approximately 25,000 IPP procedures are performed annually in the U.S. (19,31).

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Penile implants: a look into the future - PMC

Inflatable penile prosthesis (IPP) has been around since the 1970’s as a durable and one-time cure for erectile dysfunction (ED). For the past 40 years, many changes have been made to make the device better and currently IPP boasts a high percentage ...
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aneftp said:
We have way overutilized healthcare in USA

So the uK does 300 a year under nhs govt healthcare

The USA does 25k (and I’m assuming the vast majority paid for by some type of healthcare)

That’s eighty times the number elective penile implants in USA than uK. Does the USA have eighty thousand more population than the uK?

Here's some information about penile implants in the UK:
  • Number of procedures
    A baseline analysis of 1,071 penile prosthesis procedures performed in the UK over three years found that the number of surgeons and centers performing the procedure was decreasing.

  • Treatment options
    The NHS only offers penile prosthesis surgery as a final treatment option for patients with end-stage erectile dysfunction.

  • Implant types
    The most common type of implant is inflatable, accounting for 62.1% of the procedures in the analysis. Malleable implants accounted for 14.2% of the implants.

  • Now compare to the USA
Approximately 25,000 IPP procedures are performed annually in the U.S. (19,31).

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Penile implants: a look into the future - PMC

Inflatable penile prosthesis (IPP) has been around since the 1970’s as a durable and one-time cure for erectile dysfunction (ED). For the past 40 years, many changes have been made to make the device better and currently IPP boasts a high percentage ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
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I just shake my head in disbelief every time I hear that one of these patients was seen in our preop clinic but their LVEF is 10-20%. Happens every few months apparently.
 
DoctwoB said:
This. It is not some profound insight that overeating highly processed foods is bad, and that pharma is going to behave in a profit maximizing fashion. Food companies want to sell you food. Drug companies want to sell you drugs. We are evolutionarily maladapted to an environment of easily accessible, cheap, highly palatable, calorie dense foods. It is not some grand cabal or conspiracy, these companies are giving us what our bodies tell us they want and then helping us treat the complications of that. Evil? I'd argue inevitable.

So it falls on doctors and pharma to manage the issues associated with this lifestyle, and we do our best. Anorectic drugs like ozempic show a ton of promise in helping match our biologic drives to the environment we live in. I expect subsequent generations will be even better. By all means we should (and do!) push diet and exercise, but its fighting an uphill battle against our biologic drives.
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You are having a paradoxical discussion with yourself... you just pinpointed the issue. Do some research, tobacco companies actually heavily invested into the food industry for the foods to become addictive when tobacco products were found to be harmful to one's health. There is a conspiracy for you which is not a conspiracy its just a lack of common knowledge.

Maladapted you say? more like f***ing lazy.... it is not a "deathly environment of falling rocks" and this is not Indiana Jones dodging them.... we are very well adapted to make better choices and not reach for **** when in a supermarket.... don't make excuses for idiots. There are plenty of calorie dense foods (ie brown rice for example) yes unfortunately it won't give you a hard on when you eat it....
 
Im the first to point fingers at patients needing to take more responsibilty for diet, exercise, and making better choices. mcdonalds has salads too. chick fil a has a grilled chicken sandwich and you can skip the fries..... but our government allows tons of additives and total crap to be added to our foods.... even the fast food in other countries is healthier. theres 3 ingredients in mcdonalds fries in europe.... in the usa mcdonalds is allowed to put some artificial crap in the frier that allows them to reuse the oil for longer to boost profits. thats bs. the fda should highly regulate these things. i think RFK is a whackado but he is right about this topic.... even a broken clock is right twice a day.
 
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