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[Apoptosome]

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Hello all. I know a few of you know of my posts from the past couple of days. I need to clarify why I came off so abrasive to everyone.

First off, I'm not applying to med school. About a year ago I was considering it, but have since lost interest. I left with my Masters in December and have been working in industry since then.

I apologize for misleading everyone, but it was crucial for what I am about to explain:

A few days ago, my husband and I were discussing how different it is to be a woman in the professional field. One thing led to another, and I made a bet with him:

His assertion was that if a woman such as myself comes off as arrogant, cold, uncaring, and abrasive, she will still be spared criticisms for her opinions. That there is a gender-favoritism towards girls who act up.

To prove my point, I remembered I made an SDN account when I was still considering med school last year.

I deliberately flaunted my "intelligence" (trust me, I'm not that smart) with bogus MCAT scores and Mensa memberships. My GPA is real, but again, I'm not applying to med school so I have never even taken the MCAT. I made wild assertions that everyone is stupid, and that people's feelings should be all but taken out of the equation.

I obviously don't feel the way I posted. As some of you guessed, the ruse was obvious.

I was deliberately condescending, but careful to not insult anyone specifically. I flaunted a high IQ (albeit, made up) and downplayed emotions over logic.

Of course I don't actually feel that way in real life. I may not be applying to med school anymore, but I would be a fool to think that doctors shouldn't have a sense of compassion. I have been to enough doctors over my lifetime to know that the one thing we need more of is compassionate physicians.

Did this "troll" prove anything? Maybe. I got called a bitch and was proposed sex (my husband isn't mad, don't worry). I don't think I was spared any criticisms just because I am a female, so I guess that's something.

The point is, I apologize if anyone was misled. I tried to make my fake persona as over the top without being too obvious that it was a ruse.

Anyways, good luck to all who actually are applying! We are planning on having kids next year so I don't even know how long I will be working, let alone doing any research. I left with my Masters in December and I already kinda miss the lab.

Like I said, good luck to all the present and future med students on this forum. I'm sure you will all make great doctors.

Take care,
- Susan

 

[histidine]

I really wanted you to be real 🙁

 

[darkjedi]

interesting

 

[Apoptosome]

I really wanted you to be real 🙁

haha, sorry pal. But lets be honest, no one would benefit from that. Besides, I was only willing to give my fellow girls a bad name for so long.

 

[BlueLabel]

Hello all. I know a few of you know of my posts from the past couple of days. I need to clarify why I came off so abrasive to everyone.

First off, I'm not applying to med school. About a year ago I was considering it, but have since lost interest. I left with my Masters in December and have been working in industry since then.

I apologize for misleading everyone, but it was crucial for what I am about to explain:

A few days ago, my husband and I were discussing how different it is to be a woman in the professional field. One thing led to another, and I made a bet with him:

His assertion was that if a woman such as myself comes off as arrogant, cold, uncaring, and abrasive, she will still be spared criticisms for her opinions. That there is a gender-favoritism towards girls who act up.

To prove my point, I remembered I made an SDN account when I was still considering med school last year.

I deliberately flaunted my "intelligence" (trust me, I'm not that smart) with bogus MCAT scores and Mensa memberships. My GPA is real, but again, I'm not applying to med school so I have never even taken the MCAT. I made wild assertions that everyone is stupid, and that people's feelings should be all but taken out of the equation.

I obviously don't feel the way I posted. As some of you guessed, the ruse was obvious.

I was deliberately condescending, but careful to not insult anyone specifically. I flaunted a high IQ (albeit, made up) and downplayed emotions over logic.

Of course I don't actually feel that way in real life. I may not be applying to med school anymore, but I would be a fool to think that doctors shouldn't have a sense of compassion. I have been to enough doctors over my lifetime to know that the one thing we need more of is compassionate physicians.

Did this "troll" prove anything? Maybe. I got called a bitch and was proposed sex (my husband isn't mad, don't worry). I don't think I was spared any criticisms just because I am a female, so I guess that's something.

The point is, I apologize if anyone was misled. I tried to make my fake persona as over the top without being too obvious that it was a ruse.

Anyways, good luck to all who actually are applying! We are planning on having kids next year so I don't even know how long I will be working, let alone doing any research. I left with my Masters in December and I already kinda miss the lab.

Like I said, good luck to all the present and future med students on this forum. I'm sure you will all make great doctors.

Take care,
- Susan

 

[DrCharlemagne]

A few days ago, my husband and I were discussing how different it is to be a woman in the professional field. One thing led to another, and I made a bet with him:

His assertion was that if a woman such as myself comes off as arrogant, cold, uncaring, and abrasive, she will still be spared criticisms for her opinions. That there is a gender-favoritism towards girls who act up.

To prove my point, I remembered I made an SDN account when I was still considering med school last year.

I deliberately flaunted my "intelligence" (trust me, I'm not that smart) with bogus MCAT scores and Mensa memberships. My GPA is real, but again, I'm not applying to med school so I have never even taken the MCAT. I made wild assertions that everyone is stupid, and that people's feelings should be all but taken out of the equation.

So you did it for the lulz? And buttercup, several of the posters you offended were female but don't advertise their gender (hint: me); consequently your "bet" was worthless. If you wanted to demonstrate gender dynamics/disparities in the workplace, there are better* way*s to buttress your argument than trolling this forum. For reals, Science even did an entire issue about women in academia.

 

[Apoptosome]

So you did it for the lulz? And buttercup, several of the posters you offended were female but don't advertise their gender (hint: me); consequently your "bet" was worthless. If you wanted to demonstrate gender dynamics/disparities in the workplace, there are betters way to buttress your argument than trolling this forum. For reals, Science even did an entire issue about women in academia.

Not for the "lulz", but to show that a woman acting like a jerk would get the same treatment as if my husband was the one on here with the same demeanor.

Like I said, I kept my time on here short (~48 hours) for that same reason.

 

[joonage]

 

[TheWeeIceMan]

Man, this is the biggest poster 180 I've ever seen.

Also, I would say that women catch hate worse than men if they come of as arrogant, cold, etc.

 

[Apoptosome]

lol, I died when you posted this yesterday! 😉

 

[SunsFun]

That was some really good trolling. Got a lot of posters riled up.

 

[3838]

Hello all. I know a few of you know of my posts from the past couple of days. I need to clarify why I came off so abrasive to everyone.

First off, I'm not applying to med school. About a year ago I was considering it, but have since lost interest. I left with my Masters in December and have been working in industry since then.

I apologize for misleading everyone, but it was crucial for what I am about to explain:

A few days ago, my husband and I were discussing how different it is to be a woman in the professional field. One thing led to another, and I made a bet with him:

His assertion was that if a woman such as myself comes off as arrogant, cold, uncaring, and abrasive, she will still be spared criticisms for her opinions. That there is a gender-favoritism towards girls who act up.

To prove my point, I remembered I made an SDN account when I was still considering med school last year.

I deliberately flaunted my "intelligence" (trust me, I'm not that smart) with bogus MCAT scores and Mensa memberships. My GPA is real, but again, I'm not applying to med school so I have never even taken the MCAT. I made wild assertions that everyone is stupid, and that people's feelings should be all but taken out of the equation.

I obviously don't feel the way I posted. As some of you guessed, the ruse was obvious.

I was deliberately condescending, but careful to not insult anyone specifically. I flaunted a high IQ (albeit, made up) and downplayed emotions over logic.

Of course I don't actually feel that way in real life. I may not be applying to med school anymore, but I would be a fool to think that doctors shouldn't have a sense of compassion. I have been to enough doctors over my lifetime to know that the one thing we need more of is compassionate physicians.

Did this "troll" prove anything? Maybe. I got called a bitch and was proposed sex (my husband isn't mad, don't worry). I don't think I was spared any criticisms just because I am a female, so I guess that's something.

The point is, I apologize if anyone was misled. I tried to make my fake persona as over the top without being too obvious that it was a ruse.

Anyways, good luck to all who actually are applying! We are planning on having kids next year so I don't even know how long I will be working, let alone doing any research. I left with my Masters in December and I already kinda miss the lab.

Like I said, good luck to all the present and future med students on this forum. I'm sure you will all make great doctors.

Take care,
- Susan

Soo...you conducted an unsanctioned sociology experiment. And you decided to respond in hurtful ways to many people, ESPECIALLY someone who was clearly upset/depressed about their life? NOT ethical.

 

[Apoptosome]

That was some really good trolling. Got a lot of posters riled up.

Haha, again, my bad if any feelings were hurt.

And thanks for the PM. For obvious reasons, I couldn't reply. You really are gonna make a good doctor (if you arent one already). You honestly care.

 

[DubZteR]

 

[Chipster.]

Hello all. I know a few of you know of my posts from the past couple of days. I need to clarify why I came off so abrasive to everyone.

First off, I'm not applying to med school. About a year ago I was considering it, but have since lost interest. I left with my Masters in December and have been working in industry since then.

I apologize for misleading everyone, but it was crucial for what I am about to explain:

A few days ago, my husband and I were discussing how different it is to be a woman in the professional field. One thing led to another, and I made a bet with him:

His assertion was that if a woman such as myself comes off as arrogant, cold, uncaring, and abrasive, she will still be spared criticisms for her opinions. That there is a gender-favoritism towards girls who act up.

To prove my point, I remembered I made an SDN account when I was still considering med school last year.

I deliberately flaunted my "intelligence" (trust me, I'm not that smart) with bogus MCAT scores and Mensa memberships. My GPA is real, but again, I'm not applying to med school so I have never even taken the MCAT. I made wild assertions that everyone is stupid, and that people's feelings should be all but taken out of the equation.

I obviously don't feel the way I posted. As some of you guessed, the ruse was obvious.

I was deliberately condescending, but careful to not insult anyone specifically. I flaunted a high IQ (albeit, made up) and downplayed emotions over logic.

Of course I don't actually feel that way in real life. I may not be applying to med school anymore, but I would be a fool to think that doctors shouldn't have a sense of compassion. I have been to enough doctors over my lifetime to know that the one thing we need more of is compassionate physicians.

Did this "troll" prove anything? Maybe. I got called a bitch and was proposed sex (my husband isn't mad, don't worry). I don't think I was spared any criticisms just because I am a female, so I guess that's something.

The point is, I apologize if anyone was misled. I tried to make my fake persona as over the top without being too obvious that it was a ruse.

Anyways, good luck to all who actually are applying! We are planning on having kids next year so I don't even know how long I will be working, let alone doing any research. I left with my Masters in December and I already kinda miss the lab.

Like I said, good luck to all the present and future med students on this forum. I'm sure you will all make great doctors.

Take care,
- Susan

So I punched a wall over these arguments for nothing? My brother-lawyer will be sending you the hospital bill shortly.

 

[Oso]

WAIT so you're not gonna fire me?! I'm gonna keep my job everybody!!!

You picked a horrible thread to do that. The OP was hurting and seeking advice. Now his/her thread is locked and they're probably terrified of SDN.

 

[Apoptosome]

Soo...you conducted an unsanctioned sociology experiment. And you decided to respond in hurtful ways to many people, ESPECIALLY someone who was clearly upset/depressed about their life? NOT ethical.

No, I made a bet with my husband and acted like someone I am not. I wish no harm on anyone. Im not sure what ethics have to do with it. This is a public forum.

I understand you were misled. Like I said, that was the point, not to hurt people's feelings.

I will take a ban if one is necessary. I do not plan on posting on these forums any longer in either case.

Good luck!

 

[Apoptosome]

So I punched a wall over these arguments for nothing? My brother-lawyer will be sending you the hospital bill shortly.

I think I will miss you the most, Chipster 😉

 

[TheWeeIceMan]

I'm so conflicted.

 

[Docility]

Wait, is this thread part of the "experiment" too? 😕 This guinea pig right here is confused! 🙄

 

[knv2u]

As someone with a Ph.D. or in the process of obtaining a Ph.D., I would think that you would be aware of the importance of informed consent whenever performing research on humans. There are reasons that institutional review boards were created for human research. Notwithstanding this fact, even if this was an experiment, it was in poor taste to choose a thread with someone who was already down trodden. The poster was showing signs of clear mental distress. For all you know, the poster could be experiencing chronic clinical depression and be suicidal. Posts like yours could push someone over the edge. Now I don't necessarily think the poster on the other thread was feeling that way, but you can never be too safe.

Good luck with the completion of your Ph.D.

 

[BlueLabel]

No, I made a bet with my husband and acted like someone I am not. I wish no harm on anyone. Im not sure what ethics have to do with it. This is a public forum.

I understand you were misled. Like I said, that was the point, not to hurt people's feelings.

I will take a ban if one is necessary. I do not plan on posting on these forums any longer in either case.

Good luck!

Please leave.

 

[NontradCA]

No, I made a bet with my husband and acted like someone I am not. I wish no harm on anyone. Im not sure what ethics have to do with it. This is a public forum.

I understand you were misled. Like I said, that was the point, not to hurt people's feelings.

I will take a ban if one is necessary. I do not plan on posting on these forums any longer in either case.

Good luck!

I think I will miss you the most, Chipster 😉

Don't buy it. It won't and can not stop posting. It's a troll. One who is trolling a thread about trolling threads. Trollception.

 

[3838]

No, I made a bet with my husband and acted like someone I am not. I wish no harm on anyone. Im not sure what ethics have to do with it. This is a public forum.

I understand you were misled. Like I said, that was the point, not to hurt people's feelings.

I will take a ban if one is necessary. I do not plan on posting on these forums any longer in either case.

Good luck!

Posing as someone you're not, whether in a forum or in real life, is participant observation. You had a hypothesis and you tested it. This was basically a sociological experiment. As a researcher, you probably should understand no matter what you do research in, you are obligated to understand the consequences of exploring the answers to your hypotheses/questions. This is true whether you are formally or informally exploring something, not just when the IRB is holding a gun to your head. When those consequences are negative (what if you really upset that person seeking help? what if he goes off and god forbid, tries to harm himself?) Did you think about that before carrying out this bet? You might have intended it to be harmless, but it could have caused a lot of harm.

 

[terp720]

No, I made a bet with my husband and acted like someone I am not. I wish no harm on anyone. Im not sure what ethics have to do with it. This is a public forum.

I understand you were misled. Like I said, that was the point, not to hurt people's feelings.

I will take a ban if one is necessary. I do not plan on posting on these forums any longer in either case.

Good luck!

Someone created a thread who had a legitimate concern and needed help/advice. You posted your critical remarks at their expense just to prove a point to your husband. I don't get how you couldn't see how your posts could be so destructive. These are real people with real problems that you were putting down for no reason.
I'm glad you don't actually feel the way you felt in your posts, but that means you should know that this was completely uncalled for.

 

[Apoptosome]

Don't buy it. It won't and can not stop posting. It's a troll. One who is trolling a thread about trolling threads. Trollception.

Haha, I meant once this thread dies down. Seriously, I have no reason to be on these forums.

Im totally serious, I will take the ban if you like. I have no animosity towards anyone on here, nor do I have a reason to post on here.

 

[Docility]

Don't buy it. It won't and can not stop posting. It's a troll. One who is trolling a thread about trolling threads. Trollception.

Wait a minute, so you're saying we've been trollcepted? I've only read about this in books! 😛

 

[sobored]

You and your husband are pathetic.

 

[SunsFun]

WAIT so you're not gonna fire me?! I'm gonna keep my job everybody!!!

You picked a horrible thread to do that. The OP was hurting and seeking advice. Now his/her thread is locked and they're probably terrified of SDN.

I PMd the OP of locked thread. I am sure the mods will let him start another one if he feels there is a need.

We are all a little responsible for derailing it anyway.

 

[3838]

No, I made a bet with my husband and acted like someone I am not. I wish no harm on anyone. Im not sure what ethics have to do with it. This is a public forum.

I understand you were misled. Like I said, that was the point, not to hurt people's feelings.

I will take a ban if one is necessary. I do not plan on posting on these forums any longer in either case.

Good luck!

you know that ethics applies to every day life right?

 

[Apoptosome]

Posing as someone you're not, whether in a forum or in real life, is participant observation. You had a hypothesis and you tested it. This was basically a sociological experiment. As a researcher, you probably should understand no matter what you do research in, you are obligated to understand the consequences of exploring the answers to your hypotheses/questions. This is true whether you are formally or informally exploring something, not just when the IRB is holding a gun to your head. When those consequences are negative (what if you really upset that person seeking help? what if he goes off and god forbid, tries to harm himself?) Did you think about that before carrying out this bet? You might have intended it to be harmless, but it could have caused a lot of harm.

Someone created a thread who had a legitimate concern and needed help/advice. You posted your critical remarks at their expense just to prove a point to your husband. I don't get how you couldn't see how your posts could be so destructive. These are real people with real problems that you were putting down for no reason.
I'm glad you don't actually feel the way you felt in your posts, but that means you should know that this was completely uncalled for.

This was never research. I am not "publishing results" nor am I using it to get grants. I did not even have to share the truth. I did that part out of courtesy.

As far as that thread, like a few people in there posted, there are much better places to seek advice on personal issues. Those suggestions were going to get posted with or without my unrelated comments.

We are all a little responsible for derailing it anyway.

Thanks, I wasn't going to bring that up.

 

[3838]

This was never research. I am not "publishing results" nor am I using it to get grants. I did not even have to share the truth. I did that part out of courtesy.

As far as that thread, like a few people in there posted, there are much better places to seek advice on personal issues. Those suggestions were going to get posted with or without my unrelated comments.

ethics are not just for when you're "publishing results". Whether or not you're publishing, this was an experiment. And whether or not you were publishing, this was unethical.

 

[Apoptosome]

ethics are not just for when you're "publishing results". Whether or not you're publishing, this was an experiment. And whether or not you were publishing, this was unethical.

Ok, I got it. Your opinion has been made known.

 

[terp720]

Haha, I meant once this thread dies down. Seriously, I have no reason to be on these forums.

Im totally serious, I will take the ban if you like. I have no animosity towards anyone on here, nor do I have a reason to post on here.

I don't think you should be banned, I think you should have to individually apologize to the people you insulted if you haven't already.
CollegeGirl94, tavokeri9, LizzyM, knv2u to name a few


I agree there are better places to seek advice on personal issues, but telling someone that (as many people did - several adcom/physicians), is not at all the same as what you were doing.

 

[CollegeGirl94]

Clearly your husband and you have a lot of free time on your hands.

 

[Apoptosome]

I don't think you should be banned, I think you should have to individually apologize to the people you insulted if you haven't already.
CollegeGirl94, tavokeri9, LizzyM, knv2u to name a few


I agree there are better places to seek advice on personal issues, but telling someone that (as many people did - several adcom/physicians), is not at all the same as what you were doing.

To be fair, I made this thread as an all encompassing apology. As a courtesy, not because I needed to.

I have never received a single apology for any of the uncalled-for name calling or inappropriate sexual comments.

And again, I honestly do not care if I am banned. I have no reason to continue posting here once this thread dies down.

 

[Oso]

To be fair, I made this thread as an all encompassing apology. As a courtesy, not because I needed to.

I have never received a single apology for any of the uncalled-for name calling or inappropriate sexual comments.

And again, I honestly do not care if I am banned. I have no reason to continue posting here once this thread dies down.

let's just let it die. bye.

 

[sat0ri]

Incidentally, I was doing a study on a fantasized persecution complex amongst females and that you took the time to do this will compliment my results nicely. Thank you for participating without prior consent. We are sorry we are bad people and hope our unethical actions do not produce lasting harm.

 

[Apoptosome]

let's just let it die. bye.

Agreed. Bye! Good luck everyone!

 

[ninjaman22]

Are you going to publish this?! I believe we should get paid for the experiment you did on us!

 

[terp720]

To be fair, I made this thread as an all encompassing apology. As a courtesy, not because I needed to.

I have never received a single apology for any of the uncalled-for name calling or inappropriate sexual comments.

And again, I honestly do not care if I am banned. I have no reason to continue posting here once this thread dies down.

You apologized twice for "misleading" people. Not for what you actually said to them. In no way do I think that is an all-encompassing apology.
Also, you were being nasty to real life people for their actual personalities/problems, rather than something they just made up for 24 hours.

Agreed. Bye! Good luck everyone!

Okay, done as @Oso requested. Good luck in your future endeavors.

 

[yesbutno]

Ethics aside, I'd like to point out how terrible your husband is at betting. His hypothesis was that people were going to be nice to a jackass on the internet.

 

[histidine]

Ethics aside, I'd like to point out how terrible your husband is at betting. His hypothesis was that people were going to be nice to a jackass on the internet.

Have you heard of 4chan? OP just chose the wrong forum to troll on.

 

[Mad Jack]

Hello all. I know a few of you know of my posts from the past couple of days. I need to clarify why I came off so abrasive to everyone.

First off, I'm not applying to med school. About a year ago I was considering it, but have since lost interest. I left with my Masters in December and have been working in industry since then.

I apologize for misleading everyone, but it was crucial for what I am about to explain:

A few days ago, my husband and I were discussing how different it is to be a woman in the professional field. One thing led to another, and I made a bet with him:

His assertion was that if a woman such as myself comes off as arrogant, cold, uncaring, and abrasive, she will still be spared criticisms for her opinions. That there is a gender-favoritism towards girls who act up.

To prove my point, I remembered I made an SDN account when I was still considering med school last year.

I deliberately flaunted my "intelligence" (trust me, I'm not that smart) with bogus MCAT scores and Mensa memberships. My GPA is real, but again, I'm not applying to med school so I have never even taken the MCAT. I made wild assertions that everyone is stupid, and that people's feelings should be all but taken out of the equation.

I obviously don't feel the way I posted. As some of you guessed, the ruse was obvious.

I was deliberately condescending, but careful to not insult anyone specifically. I flaunted a high IQ (albeit, made up) and downplayed emotions over logic.

Of course I don't actually feel that way in real life. I may not be applying to med school anymore, but I would be a fool to think that doctors shouldn't have a sense of compassion. I have been to enough doctors over my lifetime to know that the one thing we need more of is compassionate physicians.

Did this "troll" prove anything? Maybe. I got called a bitch and was proposed sex (my husband isn't mad, don't worry). I don't think I was spared any criticisms just because I am a female, so I guess that's something.

The point is, I apologize if anyone was misled. I tried to make my fake persona as over the top without being too obvious that it was a ruse.

Anyways, good luck to all who actually are applying! We are planning on having kids next year so I don't even know how long I will be working, let alone doing any research. I left with my Masters in December and I already kinda miss the lab.

Like I said, good luck to all the present and future med students on this forum. I'm sure you will all make great doctors.

Take care,
- Susan

We don't really spare anyone criticism around here. Whether you're male (catinthehat) or female (I don't want to point fingers or name names at current members) we'll lay the hammer down. The sexual comments will differ if you are male or female (if you're female, you'll get propositioned, while if you're male, you'll likely be called sexually frustrated or inadequate), but other than that we are pretty egalitarian when it comes to dealing with people that come off as if they would be, quite frankly, terrifying physicians.

Personally I'm glad your posts weren't real, the idea that someone like that might be going to med school someday really gets under my skin.

I initially came to SDN as a troll. It seemed like perfect hunting grounds- everyone is neurotic and crazy and weird. But it was really hard to troll people here, because they're also nice and way more human in a lot of ways than people on other forums. These days it's hard for me to even troll people that deserve it, so I guess I'm just a regular poster now.

 

[justAstudent]

Plot twist: OP id actuallyy streampaw.

 

[Chipster.]

This whole thing has seriously messed with me. Now I'm thinking streampaw is getting her masters in sociology and is writing her thesis on trolling. Lord knows how many hits her blog gets a day now (I know I die inside a little each time I check it and there's nothing new).

 

[Narmerguy]

This has gone on for long enough.