HELP! done Indian cbse,joining carribean MD

[medwb]

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I really need some opinions on this issue. I have a very very strong desire to become a doctor. I have done highschool according to CBSE Indian standards. If I had the option of studying there then I would prefer that. But universities there cost too much. We do have entrance exams but for that I need to wait and do them next year. But that would be chance that I would be taking since I may or may not get through.
I had kept Romania university option open but they have half way rejected it cuz of my age. I thought of Russia and they agreed to accept me but everyone has disagreed for Russia cuz of various reasons. So that settles it.
I am thinking of applying to Windsor Medical University of St.Kitts since that is quite affordable for me. I am eligible to apply there.

What I need to know is that whether its acceptable for licensing or residency in US in later years. Like with a CBSE. I came to know abt the credits system. Thats why I wanted to enquire whether my having done a CBSE 12th degree and then MD in carribean, will it cause any problems during residency?

Can anyone pls provide info on anysite that I should refer to?
or
Are there any Indians who have done CBSE 12th grade and have or are doing an MD in carribean? then pls reply to this.

I have very limited options open. I have already wasted this year since I passed my 12th in april.

Pls suggest as per the following.

Its not that I am asking whether my decision is right or not. I want to be clear in what I am going to give into and get my statistics clear.

appreciate the help.thanks.

 

[Meatwad]

You will have a problem getting a license to practice in the US if you didn't:

1) Go to a traditional European/Asian style medical school (6 years combined right out of high school)

or

2) Do pre-medical education (for many states, at least 60 semester hours, some 90) at an accredited undergraduate institution.

If you go to the Caribbean to do a year or so of pre-med, and then go into their med school, you will almost certainly run into licensing issues. Lots of Caribbean schools are chartered to grant the MD degree, which is a professional graduate degree. They are not, however, recognized as undergraduate degree granting institutions. What does this mean to you? It means if you took undergrad classes at Caribbean schools, those credits wouldn't transfer to any school in the US. This tells you the credits are worthless, and were just another way to get money out of you.

If you can afford a Caribbean school, and you don't want to run into licensing problems, go to a Hungarian or Czech medical school; they are 6 years, and will allow you to practice anywhere in the US after you graduate. They are very affordable, ~$11,000 per year + a couple of grand per year for housing and food.

 

[Meatwad]

And what does it tell you that this Caribbean school accepted you when a Romanian school didn't?

 

[McGillGrad]

And what does it tell you that this Caribbean school accepted you when a Romanian school didn't?

Carl has spoken. 👍

 

[Meatwad]

Is CBSE a university or high school? It sounds like high school to me. Is it akin to IB. If so, it doesn't matter what schools have promised you as far as advanced standing; you will have many problems getting licensed in the US unles you attend a proper 6 year school (India, China, Europe, etc.) A Caribbean 5 year program is not good for someone in your situation.

This isn't what you want to hear, I realize that, but you asked the advice of people who have extensively researched this; we have told you what we have learned in our travels. Take the advice if you want, or ignore it; it's your money and your life, not mine. Good luck.

 

[Meatwad]

Here's some info on CBSE:-

The Central Board of Secondary Education is a board of school education in India.The CBSE prepares the syllabus for students from Lower Kindergarten (L.K.G) to Class 12, for schools affiliated with it. It conducts two board examinations: the All India Secondary School Examination for Class 10 and the All India Senior School Certificate Examination for Class 12, which is a school-leaving examination.

CBSE All India Senior School Certificate Examination for Class 12 is widely recognised internationally for direct admission to university undergraduate courses.

CBSE also conducts the All India Engineering Entrance Examination (AIEEE) which is a common entrance examination on all-India basis for admission to engineering and architecture/planning programmes in the country. Similarly Pre-medical and Pre-dental Tests AIPMT (PMT/PDT) are conducted for medical and dental colleges after the 10+2 exams.

Most Public and convent schools opt for either CBSE or ICSE. CBSE also has Indian schools in the Middle East and the US that are affiliated to it.

------------------We have exams in India like AIPMT by which if we score high(which is very diffcult to do), then we can get free seat in any medical college. Which is really not possible unless you study complete 1 year only for those exams. Plus as you pointed out, India we have 4 and half years of undergraduate course and then intership for 1 more year. Then seperate postgraduate exams are held which span for about 2 yrs only. Fact is evryone'st choice in India is to get into medical. And NRIs(non residencial Indians) like me get stuck. cuz they demand $20,000 as donation for getting permitted into a medical university for NRIs, if we dont get through the entrance quota. Then staying and all increase the amount of money to greater degrees. Seriously best education is in India for me but I have no choice. I do have influence there but still money is a big issue.

Is this MD from a caribbean school recognised incase I plan to do postgraduation in India or UK?

Yes, I dint want to read what was written but I cant blind myself to it can I? As you are experienced that is the main reason why I posted this in the first place. As you are well experienced, this might be asking too much. but can you find out anyone who was ever in my place. As its a totally different issue with a cbse high school Indians. The level of education of high school taught to us is very advanced and thats why we get directly permitted to undergraduate courses. So residency or licensing also might certainly be different.

Sorry, no experience with this CBSE thing; however, what you've just posted about it confirms what I already assumed it was. I'm sure it will not count as a pre-medical college education in the US. You either have to take the courses (biology, physics, chemistry, organic chemistry) at an accredited undergraduate education, then attend a 4 year graduate medical program, or go to a 6 year program. Saving two years is really pointless if you can't get a license here.

If you feel you must go to the Caribbean, look into St George's; they offer the closes thing to a legitimate pre-medical education, because it is in conjunction with a local college on the island of Grenada. Look into that if you feel you must avoid Europe or Asia for pre-medical college.

 

[britimg]

Ok i am familiar with the indian cbsc system and i have been a med student in uk and have researched medical universities overseas so i hope i can help you. First of all with the CBSC education you have got i believe you done your isc( is it +2). With this you can only get into schools like romania, russia and eastern europian universities like charles uni prague and gdansk uni poland etc. The reason being that these university offer a 6 year course where the first year is very much a foundation year where they prime you up for med school.
With CBSC education you have you cannot start any degree in UK let alone medicine. I know this because i am close friends with an indian family and their daughter, after having done CBSE +2 from india, had to redo 'A Levels' in the uk. Ideally uk A level has similar course content as +2 but uk universities will only accept International Bacc ( rare cases) or A levels. I am sure u know that minimum req for uk med school is ABB at A level but given the competition you really should aim for AAA. Also The tuition alone for UK med school for a forign student is over $30,000 a year , put in living cost and travel you are looking around $50,000 a year.

Caribbean university normally seek students with a undergraduate degree. You donot have an undergraduate degree. Dont listen to anyone telling you that CBSC is same as a premed course, it simply isn't. The admission officers in russia and romania will tell you you dont need a premed because you donot need a premed. they accept student straight out of school. so they would have accepted you straight after 10th. Because you have a +2, you have two years more of higher education than their average student.
If you are to come to reputable caribbean university ( only apply to ross, saba, auc, sgu, smu and aua everyone else is waste of money) you will need at least a bsc degree or premed. The premed is a 3 year course but they might give you exemption because you have done CBSC +2. I know that sgu accepts british student with a levels in the final year of their premed.

On a finishing note, you are only 17 so dont jump the gun just yet. Overseas application should be your last resort if you cant get in anywhere in India. you have one year now so dont waste it. Prepare for exams next year for med in india and do as many exams as you can. If you come overseas, yes you can get in med school relatively easier than in india but the course will be just as hard.

If you have any more questions, dont hesitate to ask.

 

[kuralia]

Who are you looking for advice from?Kid to get a residency in USA you have to have a greencard,unless you are an exceptional student.You do not have to have a B.A or B.S.My 2 daughters are in UMKC 6 year program doing M.D.So i fimiliar with that system.
My advice to you,
Windsor,Xavier have not even have graduate yet?They are new schools with no credits.Basically moneymaking factories.Do not even think about it.If you are stubborn do it,but to no avail.
All the money you going to spend in crr. try to get in east euorpe.Coming to St.Kitts is not going to bring u to US.Think about it.You are young and probably,your parents have a lot of money.You are ill advised as you said you wasted a year.All your fellow students are in med school in India,are'nt they?So go to euorpe.

 

[Meatwad]

Of course Russian and Romanian schools will accept you into their program; they just want your money. They don't care what happens to you, and are totally unfamiliar with how licensing is in the United States. There are also less reputable Caribbean schools (i.e. Windsor, etc.) which are aware of licensing procedures, but also don't care and will lie in order to get your money.

Like someone above cofirmed, your CBSE is not equivelant to a US/Canadian undergraduate pre-medical curriculum which is what you will need for almost every US state. This is the last time I'm posting this; I don't know how to make this clearer to you.

If you want to invest hundreds of thousands of dollars into an education that may be totally invalid, that's your perogative. And for what reason, so you could save a year? Believe me, none of your patients will be impressed that their doctor is 24; if anything, they will avoid going to your practice because they won't trust anyone so young. In Europe doctor's are commonly around 24 or so, but not in the US. Most new doctor's are around 30. Think about not only the legal but also the social issues you might face by taking such a circuitous route.

Bottom line: Europe or a pre-medical education at an accredited 4 year university followed by a reputable (SGU/AUC/Ross/Saba) school

 

[McGillGrad]

Why do you guys keep replying to this kid? He is just growing in his first pubic hairs at 17 and already talking about medical school without even finishing any type of university?

Give me a break. Please let me know when this kid (maybe) becomes a MD, so I can avoid him.

 

[mayouches]

Alright hon.. I think the sooner you start admitting certain things, the easier it would be for you. Leave the ego at the door and stop being oh-so-defensive. If you're here to learn, its only obvious that you should be receptive. While I understand the need for discernment and encourage it, there was absolutely no need for you to jump. If you find something offensive, its time for introspection- you have issues.

I'm happy you ain't the Que Sera Sera kind. But to go on and get all defensive is another thing altogether.

1. Your CBSE highschool cert is NOT equivalent to an associates degree or the pre-med requirements. Its as good as saying the IB is a post-highschool qualification.
2. There are no short-cuts in medicine. Irrespective of where you are, be willing to work hard if you want to graduate with integrity, with enough knowledge to help out your patients. The USMLEs require loads and loads of hard work. You want to ensure you're sane enough to handle the pressure and not crack- I know of quite a few people who've had nervous breakdowns.
3. Medicine isn't this race to see who finishes first. It is both an art and science. You can't merely care for a patient without basic medical knowledge and you won't do any good merely dictating treatments and not assisting with them. Medicine is hands-on. So take your time and develop those characteristics as you build your power-base of knowledge.
4. We don't care if you're an "above-average biology student" or if your "literary skills have always been quite strong" and we don't give two poops about your "marks and achievements"- save that for Oprah.
5. "..actually thought there were better docs in western countries". What makes you think so? Weren't you the one who said "Indian docs are highly reputable docs and are system is quite effective."? Ya habibti- stop contradicting yourself. Seriously though, I'd really like to know what makes you think western docs are much better.

I think its high time you own up to the fact that you didn't get to med school the first time round (nothing wrong with that- loads of people don't but they do prove to be excellent doctors) and quit being so defensive.

Again, as Billy and Briti pointed out, you'd want to be in an accredited school. Look at the schools he pointed out. If not, from what I understand, the Czech schools are pretty good. You're better off there.

"There are just so many anti-Indian issues..." Don't know who has a problem against Indians? I mean I have loads of Indian friends here in Qatar and they're all fun. You have an extremely rich culture and there's so much respect and regard to it. My friends and I often travel and well, they're often asked where they're from and when they reply, everyone talks about the culture, the films and stuff. I mean hey- I can speak for the arab world. We love your culture and the entire world is in love with it too. So get out of that shell and be proud of who you are and don't give those rumors any thought.

All the best. Hope you eventually get there 🙂

-Maya

 

[bbkdh]

@medwb
i am indian student attending Windsor University. I have 2 years of undergrad credits from India though. The school has some indian students just with their high school education. They dont realise it is a 4 year program instead of a 6 year program like in India or Russia. Another thing is even if you are a US or Canadian citizen u can do your medical education with no Undergrad credits in Russia/India/China. That is the difference. With respect to these schools it is better to be on the safe side. I would recommend that you try to get into a school in India itself. If that doesnt happen then opt for somewhere abroad.
And about the CBSE thing. I have a classmate who is a direct CBSE 12th. That person is finding med school so tough that she has to repeat most of her subjects of the previous semesters.
The advantages of a 5 1/2 years, 6 years medical education is innumerable. You get more time to study for your courses. The subjects are taught on a leisurely pace. 2 years is not a big difference.Believe me. You would be taking breaks equal to those 2 years here to study for the boards. Anyways if you consider the travel expenses, cost of living etc. You would find that med school in India is cheaper. Goodluck.

 

[BSRADSCI]

Why do you guys keep replying to this kid? He is just growing in his first pubic hairs at 17 and already talking about medical school without even finishing any type of university?

Give me a break. Please let me know when this kid (maybe) becomes a MD, so I can avoid him.

Mcgillgrad is right!!!!!!!!!!! Hey kid get some pre-med requirements done. Coming to America and doing residency WHAT!!!! GIVE ME A BREAK, Why not stay in India and helping the poor people, where you really need doctors. Are you a US citizen who wants to come back to his country the answer is NO!!!! You want to come to America to make more $$$$$ and thats the sole reason!!!!!!!! Volunteer in a hospital get some experience in health care then only then you should make up your mind to become a physician. Stay in India help people out there. Under no circumstances you should think about become a doctor if you want to be rich, there are a lot of other professions where you can make more money than becoming a doctor.
Man these kids now running behind money, with no health care experience, No premed just want to be a doctor in a jiffy shame. Give me a break "remember that becoming a doctor is not a sprint, it's a marathon."[1]

[1] The Words of MEATWAD, Well said there man!


Sincerely,
BRS

 

[Shinken]

medwb,

I came across this thread and I can't help but reply. Although I cannot offer you any advice regarding your situation I can tell you this: You're still very young! Don't stress out so much. You have plenty of time to achieve your goals.

I'm not done with med school yet, and I'm almost 40 years old! You're 17 and feel like you're "wasting" years. You're ahead of the game if you ask me. Keep focused, but don't rush things. Take your time to do things right or you might find you've closed some doors too prematurely.

Good luck!