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I'm not 100% sure if this would fall under "non-trad" - so if it does, please forgive the post in the wrong place.
22 hispanic female. I've been wanting to go the med route since I graduated high school but didn't, I chose art instead (just to spite my mother, being the typical teenager)... now I'm pulling a double major in fine arts. Finally decided to suck it up and just do it, so I just recently signed up to take my pre-reqs for med school. Huge turn, really.

3rd year of undergraduate, 3.42 overall GPA. no MCAT yet...

I'm slightly lost and my advisor isn't much help (at all), so I wanted to ask for advice on what I should do from now on until graduation time (another two years for a total of 5yrs of undergraduate for double major) in order to make sure I have a good chance to get in?

Every and any form of advice is very welcome and appreciated!
 
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Since you're still in college and have never had another career, you would still be considered a traditional applicant.

Median cGPA for those accepted is 3.65, so try to raise your GPA.

Hopefully you already have some ECs from the earlier college years. It would be nice if some were community-service oriented, leadership-y, or teaching. Artistic endeavors and sports are also listed.

For a med school application, typical extracurriculars would include 1.5 years of clinical exposure. Gaining experience at a rate of 3-4 hours/week is fine. If you have the time, a broader experience gained in more than one venue would be desirable. Your gain two things from this: 1) the ability to talk with sick people, make them comfortable, and become comfortable around them. 2) Become familiar with a clinical environment, whether hospital, clinic, or nursing home, including a knowledge of HIIPA regulations and the importance of good handwashing and other disease prevention techniques. During your clinical experience you will hopefully meet doctors. These are the folks you ask for a shadowing experience which is a formal observership and not hands-on. Typically, one shadows 2-3 types of specialties, for 8-40 hours each, depending on interest.

Altruistic service is also desirable. If you gain your clinical experience through volunteerism, you have this covered. If your clinical exposure is via another type of experience, you'd need something additional to show your service-minded mentality; consider Humane Society, Habitat for Humanity, crisis hotline, soup kitchen, homeless shelter. Longevity in an activity is desirable.

Additionally, you'll want to have a peer leadership experience. This could be teaching or mentoring (provided you are guiding, directing, inspiring and not just regurgitating information), officership in an organization (if you lead meetings, organize the accomplishment of tasks, provide direction), starting a business, military service, directing a show, leading a successful charitable fund drive, organize friends for a campus cleanup, food drive, campaign for campus change, among many others.

Research: Is desirable, but not required. If you have it, more schools will seriously consider your application. The minimum is 3 months over a summer, the average seems to be about a year. Some have 3+ years and several publications. Research includes any scholarly investigation that enhances human knowledge, so it need not be bench (basic science) or clinical in nature, or even in the sciences.

You can get clinical experience with sick people through the workplace, for class credit, data gathering for a clinical trial, or via volunteerism. It can be gained at a free, family-planning, or private clinic, hospice, hospital, VA, residential home, rehabilitation facility, nursing home, as a first responder, among others.

Clinical patient experience is not always gained in a clinical environment, eg EMT, battle field medic, home hospice care, physical therapy aide, special camp environments. In such a case, you also should acquire some experience in a clinical milieu where doctors work, like a hospital, surgicenter, clinic, nursing home.

The advantage of gaining clinical exposure through volunteerism, is that it also is looked on as community service, an unwritten requirement for your application. Having nonmedical community service, too, would be looked on very postively.

Aside from a competitive GPA and good ECs, you'll need a good MCAT score, strong Letters of Recommendation, a well-written Personal Statement, and good interview skills.

That's most of what you need to do (irony intended). Well, a research publication would be nice, but most don't have that.
 
Catalystik; wow, thank you for such an in depth answer!
you've told me far more in one post than my advisor could in three hours.

I see you're in the midwest - I know it's always a good idea to apply to a broad selection of schools... but I'm very unfamiliar with the ones in the midwest (I'm originally from new york city). Do you by any chance have any recommendations of which to look into once the time comes?
 
Sounds good. Thank you again for the help and answers. It's extremely appreciated 🙂
 
Median cGPA for those accepted is 3.65, so try to raise your GPA.

That is right, but that means that 50% of accepted students have a 3.65 or lower. I'm mentioning this because you should note that by this time in your college career, its hard to change your GPA substantially, unless you take an absurd number of units (which I don't recommend). Just do well in whatever classes you have left and you should be a well-rounded and competitive applicant with a double major in the fine arts.

Also, you sound like a very busy person with the double major. If I were you, I'd focus on volunteering and getting some clinical experiences. I wouldn't bother with any research, unless you had a genuine interest in it.
 
Yes 50% have below 3.65 but its not like 45% have below 3.5....

If you look in the MSAR, you should get a better picture of how u stand
 
Pills of Soap is correct, and I by no means wanted to seem discouraging. But an upward recent academic trend is viewed very positively, so you want to do your best to make it so. Here is AMCAS data accumulated over the last three years showing the % chance of acceptance for various stat combinations among Hispanic applicants so you'll have an idea of how MCAT score will effect your likelihood of success: https://www.aamc.org/data/facts/applicantmatriculant/table25-h-mcatgpagridhispnic.pdf
 
Thank you all for the responses and the massive amounts of information.

Pills of Soap; I actually do pretty badly if I take on too many courses at once.. it's the reason my GPA's gone down to 3.42. used to be 3.7 once upon a time. I'll definitely work on pulling it up. Two years all year round (summer classes will be needed in order to graduate on time) should be able to help at least a little if I manage to make sure I get A's.

Robflanker; at the risk of sounding completely ignorant... MSAR?
I'm pretty new around here, so I've a lot to get familiar with. mind linking me?
 
When do you plan to take your MCAT? Because if you're just starting you med pre-req's it's going to take you at least 2 years to finish those before you can take the MCAT. And I'm sure you know that once you do take them and apply, it's the whole year before you'd start. So, maybe you could focus the next 2 years on your sciences and then the 5th year finish off your other arts so that you don't wind up taking time off. That'd help you space things out to keep your grades up too.
 
Sydsue, yes, I'm just starting my pre-reqs. technically I'd be graduating next year had I not chosen to take the pre-reqs, and planning on going during summer semesters which would make up for that third year that I'd have to do otherwise. Would they look down on it if my bachelor took 5 years rather than four? I'd be frightened if it took me six!

If I finish my pre-reqs first and apply, would they still consider me even if im not "technically done" because of that year i'd be finishing up my painting degree?

As for applications for the MCAT, when would be a good time to take them then?

So much to do, so little time!
 
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Sydsue, yes, I'm just starting my pre-reqs. technically I'd be graduating next year had I not chosen to take the pre-reqs, and planning on going during summer semesters which would make up for that third year that I'd have to do otherwise. Would they look down on it if my bachelor took 5 years rather than four? I'd be frightened if it took me six!

If I finish my pre-reqs first and apply, would they still consider me even if im not "technically done" because of that year i'd be finishing up my painting degree?

As for applications for the MCAT, when would be a good time to take them then?

So much to do, so little time!
No, they don't look down on the 5 years especially since you have had to complete all the classes to finish your major along with the pre-req's. (I've taken 5 years too because I transferred and some of my credits got screwed up). They actually expect you to still be in school when you're applying. It's sort of supposed to be like your senior year of high school when you're applying to colleges. If you want to take the year off that you're applying, that's fine, but they want to make sure you're doing something having to do with medicine that year too.

As far as the MCAT.....Assuming you'll be finishing your pre-req's for them in the Spring 2011 semester, I would take them the end of May 2011. I'd also suggest, if you can afford it, taking a Kaplan or Princeton Review class in the spring semester just before your test. The biggest part of the test is learning how they ask questions, how it's set up, and learning strategies to answer. So, taking a class, they give you at least 15 free full tests. That's the best way to study. I took a few (maybe 4 total) during my class and then the 2 weeks before your test date I'd recommend trying to have nothing going on at all and take an exam every day at the same time as your actual exam time.

I know, everything happens too fast! Besides focusing on your mcat, I'd try to make sure you get a good amount of volunteer/shadowing/work experience in the medical field before you apply. These things all really help your application too.
 
I'm trying to figure out by when I'll have my pre-req's taken care of.

I have an unpaid internship/volunteer position lined up with the Jerome Foundation helping artists with disabilities write and get grants this summer, so I won't be able to take any courses.
I started taking bio this semester, but only one, so all the hardcore science basically starts in the fall for me. Knowing I have that extra year helps, though. that way I can just focus on keeping my grades up. If I manage to basically get As all the way until graduation time, I'd end up with a 3.7(ish) GPA.

So much to wrap my brain around! seems like I have a lot of careful planning to do...
 
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Catalystik, thank you! I'll probably get it from amazon, since I have an account.
I apologize for the massive amounts of questions and sounding so amazingly new at this (although technically, I am).
 
There's no need to apologize. Everyone here was new to the application process once upon a time.

In my case, about 6 months ago I didn't even know I was supposed to get science professor LORs.

Scary how many hoops we have to jump through.
 
Morsetlis, I'm just going around reading the threads and figuring out what most of the acronyms posted mean!

... this could take a while, haha.
 
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