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Does anyone have advice on who to buy loupse from?? I've heard that it's a BIG help if you start working with loupes as early as possible, because it takes time to get used to them and the earlier the better. I got an offer from Designs for Visions, Inc. at a dental convention for loupes and was given the so called "special rate" because I am a student of $850. I heard from one dentist that this is a good company, does anyone know anything about this guys and or have any suggestions on who to purchase loupes from? Any help would be greatly appreciated!!

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Loupes, ahh the topic of many threads here🙂

First off, as a loupe user who purchased them early in dental school, then barely used them for a number of years and then purchased another PROPERLY FIT pair after being out in private practice for a few years, and then purchased another higher magnification pair a year after my 2nd pair, I've had some experience with them over the last dozen or so years since I purchased my 1st pair.

First off, you absolutely 100% DO NOT HAVE to have them as a student, and personally I feel that they'll actually initially slow down the development of your clinical skills with a handpiece. Here's why. As your learning to use the hand piece, not only is it just the slight fine motor skills with your hand, and the indirect vision principles with the hand mirror, but also the need to see how each tooth your working on relates to teeth in other areas of the jaw. Loupes, with their limited field of vision restrict your actual field of view, and this comes into play not only as your learning how to prepare teeth, but when you transfer to live patients the movement of instruments in and out of the oral cavity. As you progress from basic single tooth preparations to multiple teeth restorations both direct and indirect the ability to see the parallellism of teeth over a long span is restricted by the loupes field of view. As your learning, sometimes its not so much the fine detail that the loupes will allow you to see, but the entire picture that may be more important.

"Learning" to use loupes, personally with a properly fit pair, it was very easy. My first pair which were heavy, adjustable, flip down type were very cumbersome, and after wearing them for a few minutes I'd definately notice the wieght on my nose and after a while, it was uncomfortable. Plus many days I'd noramlly end up adjusting the intrapupillary distance and never seem to get it just right. I used those very little and frankly found them to hinder my work and skill development so I basically went from my 4th year of dental school, through residency and 3 years into private practice not using loupes at all.

As I was doing more and more endodontics, I felt advantage of the higher magnification that the loupes provided had significant benefits in locating canals, so I went ahead and did it the correct way this time. i was professional fit by a manufacturers rep AFTER trying out mutliple brands and styles at a large dental convention. My adjustment time was maybe 1 mornings worth of patients, and most of the adjustment was just getting used to transferring the instruments into from outside the loupes field of view to inside the loupes field of view/patient's mouth. This pair I purchased, and still use for most of my work is a pair of 2.5x through the lense orascoptic loupes.

After about a year and a half, and taking an endo course where the exploration of multiple accessory canals was covered, I felt the need for more magnification in my quest to find and clean every canal at I can😀 So I purchased a 2nd pair of orascoptic through the lense loupes, this time in 4.5x which I use essentially exclusively for endo, for both there extra help in finding canals and also since I'm just working on 1 tooth, the very restricted field of view isn't an issue.

In general, after using them, not using them and using them again, they have their benefits, and can be very easy to learn to use. I feel though that learning your basic skills 1st without loupes and then getting a properly fit pair will make your transition to loupes, and hence your dentistry better. Trying to do both at once can be more of a hinderance than a help IMHO.
 
Loupes, ahh the topic of many threads here🙂

First off, as a loupe user who purchased them early in dental school, then barely used them for a number of years and then purchased another PROPERLY FIT pair after being out in private practice for a few years, and then purchased another higher magnification pair a year after my 2nd pair, I've had some experience with them over the last dozen or so years since I purchased my 1st pair.

First off, you absolutely 100% DO NOT HAVE to have them as a student, and personally I feel that they'll actually initially slow down the development of your clinical skills with a handpiece. Here's why. As your learning to use the hand piece, not only is it just the slight fine motor skills with your hand, and the indirect vision principles with the hand mirror, but also the need to see how each tooth your working on relates to teeth in other areas of the jaw. Loupes, with their limited field of vision restrict your actual field of view, and this comes into play not only as your learning how to prepare teeth, but when you transfer to live patients the movement of instruments in and out of the oral cavity. As you progress from basic single tooth preparations to multiple teeth restorations both direct and indirect the ability to see the parallellism of teeth over a long span is restricted by the loupes field of view. As your learning, sometimes its not so much the fine detail that the loupes will allow you to see, but the entire picture that may be more important.

"Learning" to use loupes, personally with a properly fit pair, it was very easy. My first pair which were heavy, adjustable, flip down type were very cumbersome, and after wearing them for a few minutes I'd definately notice the wieght on my nose and after a while, it was uncomfortable. Plus many days I'd noramlly end up adjusting the intrapupillary distance and never seem to get it just right. I used those very little and frankly found them to hinder my work and skill development so I basically went from my 4th year of dental school, through residency and 3 years into private practice not using loupes at all.

As I was doing more and more endodontics, I felt advantage of the higher magnification that the loupes provided had significant benefits in locating canals, so I went ahead and did it the correct way this time. i was professional fit by a manufacturers rep AFTER trying out mutliple brands and styles at a large dental convention. My adjustment time was maybe 1 mornings worth of patients, and most of the adjustment was just getting used to transferring the instruments into from outside the loupes field of view to inside the loupes field of view/patient's mouth. This pair I purchased, and still use for most of my work is a pair of 2.5x through the lense orascoptic loupes.

After about a year and a half, and taking an endo course where the exploration of multiple accessory canals was covered, I felt the need for more magnification in my quest to find and clean every canal at I can😀 So I purchased a 2nd pair of orascoptic through the lense loupes, this time in 4.5x which I use essentially exclusively for endo, for both there extra help in finding canals and also since I'm just working on 1 tooth, the very restricted field of view isn't an issue.

In general, after using them, not using them and using them again, they have their benefits, and can be very easy to learn to use. I feel though that learning your basic skills 1st without loupes and then getting a properly fit pair will make your transition to loupes, and hence your dentistry better. Trying to do both at once can be more of a hinderance than a help IMHO.


What he said.....(great advice Jeff)
 
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Does anyone have advice on who to buy loupse from?? I've heard that it's a BIG help if you start working with loupes as early as possible, because it takes time to get used to them and the earlier the better. I got an offer from Designs for Visions, Inc. at a dental convention for loupes and was given the so called "special rate" because I am a student of $850. I heard from one dentist that this is a good company, does anyone know anything about this guys and or have any suggestions on who to purchase loupes from? Any help would be greatly appreciated!!

Hey MrTeeth i don't know why these people charge so much for loupes. I have posted before on this subject and have told people that you can pick up a pair of loupes for around $350. As a student i'm sure money is tight and spending $850 on loupes is just not necessary. It also depends on the type of loupes that you would like. I have recommended Universal Medical Inc. Becauase i have purchased from them in the past. Take a look at their dental loupes they have a variety of styles from Clip-on loupes to prism loupes to through the lens loupes, As well as the ordinary flip up loupes. Their prices are certainly better than most you will find online. If you have prescription glasses now you might be limited in what you can do, however the best choice for that is probably clip-on loupes because they can mount to your current prescription lenses. I hope this helps good luck with the loupe search!!
 
Hey MrTeeth i don't know why these people charge so much for loupes. I have posted before on this subject and have told people that you can pick up a pair of loupes for around $350. As a student i'm sure money is tight and spending $850 on loupes is just not necessary. It also depends on the type of loupes that you would like. I have recommended Universal Medical Inc. Becauase i have purchased from them in the past. Take a look at their dental loupes they have a variety of styles from Clip-on loupes to prism loupes to through the lens loupes, As well as the ordinary flip up loupes. Their prices are certainly better than most you will find online. If you have prescription glasses now you might be limited in what you can do, however the best choice for that is probably clip-on loupes because they can mount to your current prescription lenses. I hope this helps good luck with the loupe search!!

clip on loupes = can be heavy, block vision, can be pia to continually adjust
 
As your learning to use the hand piece, not only is it just the slight fine motor skills with your hand, and the indirect vision principles with the hand mirror, but also the need to see how each tooth your working on relates to teeth in other areas of the jaw. Loupes, with their limited field of vision restrict your actual field of view, and this comes into play not only as your learning how to prepare teeth, but when you transfer to live patients the movement of instruments in and out of the oral cavity.

Dr Jeff, I am a little confused as to your negatives. I am still in school and have used loupes since day 25 (or whenever I got them delivered to me 🙂) and I love them. I don't really understand what you mean when you say, "but also the need to see how each tooth your working on relates to teeth in other areas of the jaw." Are you talking about how the tooth will interact with the opposing tooth in occlusion, or about not hitting the adjacent tooth during preparation, or am I just completely missing the point?

I am just writing this because I want to make sure I am taking full advantage of my dental school opportunity, as I am paying a lot of money and want to make sure I am as prepared as I can possibly be when I graduate.

To the OP: My opinion is a little different so far in my limited use of loupes. I have orascoptic, as does my wife, and we both love them. I got my loupes a couple of months into dental school year 1, and they have helped me tremendously. Before my loupes during my first semester, I got B's on my pre-clinic practicals. Since then, the rest of my first semester I got perfect scores on all the rest of my practicals, and during 2nd semester, barring slips of the hand that ruined my preps (stinking automatic failures, I did retake them and got 2 perfect scores and 2 96%), I have scored A's on the rest of my practicals. (ha ha, I just reread this and I should get an endorsement deal from orascoptic, I sound like an infomercial customer.....)

So, I would recommend getting them as soon as possible, because they have helped me out a ton. Now, I want to learn more about what Dr Jeff means, because maybe I am missing something here, but from my point of view, they are great.
 
clip on loupes = can be heavy, block vision, can be pia to continually adjust


agreed but sometimes still the best option if you wear prescription lenses and don't want to spend a ton of cash:meanie:
 
Dr Jeff, I am a little confused as to your negatives. I am still in school and have used loupes since day 25 (or whenever I got them delivered to me 🙂) and I love them. I don't really understand what you mean when you say, "but also the need to see how each tooth your working on relates to teeth in other areas of the jaw." Are you talking about how the tooth will interact with the opposing tooth in occlusion, or about not hitting the adjacent tooth during preparation, or am I just completely missing the point?

There is some opposing occlusion factors where the limited loupe field comes into play. Basically with a 2.5x loupe, your real effective viewing field is 5 or 6 teeth give or take. The bigger thing I was referring to is in crown and bridge preps(especially bridge preps). The parallellism factor. The loupe field of view is great and it can allow you to really focus in on that 1 abutment tooth your prepping. Then when you move to the next abutment, and your 1st tooth is out of the field, that small viewing window of the loupe will let you do a wonderfull prep of the 2nd abutment and all too often when you then check the parallellism of the 2 post prep, you're not even close. Same thing can happen when intra-orally prepping teeth for RPD rest/guidepaths, etc.

The biggest though often is instrument transfer, especially early on in patient treatment. Lets be honest, the first few times you anesthetize a patient, you're a bit nervous, and that hand of yours holding the syringe may not be as stable as it will become after a few injections. You're thinking about finger rests for stability, sharps safety, what angle are you going to pierce the skin at, aspirating the syringe, etc, etc, etc. This is where not being able to maintain your entire field of view from bracket table to oral cavity can be an issue. I know that when I went back to loupes, this was the biggest "learning curve" for me. Additonally, with the limited field when treating patients, you also loose some of the more subtleties of patient interaction. You can't readily see the patients face/expressions while your looking at their tooth/teeth and make any potential adjustments to your technique/ conversation and its often these little extras that you can do that will help set you apart in the view of your patients as a caring dentist who they want to go back to (and tell their friends to goto also), since afterall their is an actual person attached to those teeth that you're treating.

I am just writing this because I want to make sure I am taking full advantage of my dental school opportunity, as I am paying a lot of money and want to make sure I am as prepared as I can possibly be when I graduate.

To the OP: My opinion is a little different so far in my limited use of loupes. I have orascoptic, as does my wife, and we both love them. I got my loupes a couple of months into dental school year 1, and they have helped me tremendously. Before my loupes during my first semester, I got B's on my pre-clinic practicals. Since then, the rest of my first semester I got perfect scores on all the rest of my practicals, and during 2nd semester, barring slips of the hand that ruined my preps (stinking automatic failures, I did retake them and got 2 perfect scores and 2 96%), I have scored A's on the rest of my practicals. (ha ha, I just reread this and I should get an endorsement deal from orascoptic, I sound like an infomercial customer.....)

Great job on the 2nd semester practicals! But to play devil's advocate for a second, could some of the increase in your performance been attributed not to the loupes, but the extra practice/comfort you had prepping teeth between the 1st and 2nd semester??

So, I would recommend getting them as soon as possible, because they have helped me out a ton. Now, I want to learn more about what Dr Jeff means, because maybe I am missing something here, but from my point of view, they are great.

Loupes are great, don't get me wrong, just get them fit properly and don't just get them becuase everyone else does. In the big scheme of things, there are more folks not using the original pair they may have purchased while in d-school than are, because you'll often get things based on a price rather than performance. Plus, once your out in private practice, the concept of spending $1500 or so on a pair of loupes at a convention and getting them fitted corerctly won't seem nearly as daunting as it does now
 
Thanks Dr Jeff for clearing that up for me. About the practicals, I was planning on saying a lot of my improvement probably came from me actually improving, but I obviously forgot to write it. 😳 I do agree with you on the instrument transfer. That was the single biggest learning curve. It is great reaching for you drill and missing because you are 1 foot short!

All in all, I still love my loupes as I feel as long as you recognize their limitations, as Dr Jeff has shown wonderfully, they can help a lot.
 
agreed but sometimes still the best option if you wear prescription lenses and don't want to spend a ton of cash:meanie:

I dont have any vision problems(so I cant speak from experience), could you wear contact lenses? Everyone has their opinion, but I can tell you that I had the clip on/flip down, during long procedures they truely get heavy on the nose. Occasionally I even experienced headaches. When you graduate you will want two pairs. If you start early in dental school depending on them, If a pair goes down it is really strange. Simple restorative and crown and bridge suddenly seem quite a bit more difficult, you will strain with the eyes and neck with the field of vision. I like Jeffs idea about the 4.5x for endo, but wait till you look through a microscope into a pulp chamber. Jeff, I am still doing my endo with 2.5x mag, I did take a CE course a month back where we did some cases under a microscope. UNREAL.
 
I dont have any vision problems(so I cant speak from experience), could you wear contact lenses? Everyone has their opinion, but I can tell you that I had the clip on/flip down, during long procedures they truely get heavy on the nose. Occasionally I even experienced headaches. When you graduate you will want two pairs. If you start early in dental school depending on them, If a pair goes down it is really strange. Simple restorative and crown and bridge suddenly seem quite a bit more difficult, you will strain with the eyes and neck with the field of vision. I like Jeffs idea about the 4.5x for endo, but wait till you look through a microscope into a pulp chamber. Jeff, I am still doing my endo with 2.5x mag, I did take a CE course a month back where we did some cases under a microscope. UNREAL.

My partner and I have a few microscope brochures floating around our desks right now😀 My guess is that at one of the big conventions this fall/winter we'll be taking advantage of one of the show specials and heading on upto some SERIOUS magnification!

The endo group in my town added scopes when they moved to a new office back in January and during an open house I was "playing" with the scope, real neat! Just not too shure if I want to see one of my crown preps under 20x magnification though😉😱:hardy:
 
i'm a D1 and just purchased the 2.5x orascoptic loupes today for over $900 (the "student discount" 🙄)

most dentists and dental students i talked to told me to purchase them, as they are a good investment. the clinical profs at my school grade the lab work with loupes on, so i think it's imperative that i do preps with them also (at least that's what i'm telling myself 😛)

anyways, this is the pair i purchased.. rudy project sport frams w/ 2.5x http://www.orascoptic.com/index/orascoptic-products-loupes-hires-mountsandframes-2-1
 
i'm a D1 and just purchased the 2.5x orascoptic loupes today for over $900 (the "student discount" 🙄)

most dentists and dental students i talked to told me to purchase them, as they are a good investment. the clinical profs at my school grade the lab work with loupes on, so i think it's imperative that i do preps with them also (at least that's what i'm telling myself 😛)

anyways, this is the pair i purchased.. rudy project sport frams w/ 2.5x http://www.orascoptic.com/index/orascoptic-products-loupes-hires-mountsandframes-2-1

Nice loupes. I wear the one's pictured right below yours with the slate frames.😀
 
Me too. 😉


You really, really don't want the portable Xeon light then😉🙄 It's just awfull, plus you'll really look dorky then😀😆 Actually the first couple of times I was using it and restoring a tooth with composite, I'd occasionally forget to turn the light down or off and that it really does accelerate the set of the composite😉 Now I mainly just keep that light attached to my "endo loupes"

I figure that with the wacky scrubs I already wear, loupes with a nose bridge mounted light source and a battery pack clipped to my waste band is no big fashion faux pas!😀 Plus, if my patients make fun of me, I'll hurt them😉😱:hardy:
 
i'm a D1 and just purchased the 2.5x orascoptic loupes today for over $900 (the "student discount" 🙄)

most dentists and dental students i talked to told me to purchase them, as they are a good investment. the clinical profs at my school grade the lab work with loupes on, so i think it's imperative that i do preps with them also (at least that's what i'm telling myself 😛)

anyways, this is the pair i purchased.. rudy project sport frams w/ 2.5x http://www.orascoptic.com/index/orascoptic-products-loupes-hires-mountsandframes-2-1

Thank you for the advice everyone, I really appreciate it. The orascoptics look very nice and appealing to me. I will probably get a 2.5 magnification. Does anyone have anything negative to say about them or any other suggestions on brands? I've also heard from faculty at my school that they highly recommend loupes as early in school as possible and if I am already putting in a ton of money towards my education what is an extra $1,000 to start up right??
 
You really, really don't want the portable Xeon light then😉🙄 It's just awfull, plus you'll really look dorky then😀😆 Actually the first couple of times I was using it and restoring a tooth with composite, I'd occasionally forget to turn the light down or off and that it really does accelerate the set of the composite😉 Now I mainly just keep that light attached to my "endo loupes"

I figure that with the wacky scrubs I already wear, loupes with a nose bridge mounted light source and a battery pack clipped to my waste band is no big fashion faux pas!😀 Plus, if my patients make fun of me, I'll hurt them😉😱

This sounds great. I now have something to aspire too. 😀 A local doc was telling me the same thing tonight at work. He just graduated, and said he would do the same thing the first week or so he was using his light. So, even though it is summer, I have learned something new today. :idea:
 
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