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[realman]

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[toothsucker]

Lack of confidence or consistency in some international dental training programs, medical school prereq requirements (6 year programs), abundance of well qualified domestic applicants, requirement of most programs that the applicant had a DDS/DMD, the list goes on....

 

[Likkriue]

The US wants their own.

 

[ibuprofen400mg]

Lol at this thread.

 

[Madworld247]

The US wants their own.

*facepalm*

 

[PhansterZ]

OMS residencies are GME funded, which is paid by Medicare. So, US tax payers are paying to train the residents.

 

[truebold]

the game is effed up, it seems the trend is to close the door behind you when you get in.

I mean look at this guy in the office

 

[Likkriue]

good point, so if one pays taxes then he is equally merited to be considered equally for a spot.

All of the international dental programs are self supported, means they bring money in the country and when they graduate, these ppl pay taxes as anybody else.. still cant see any rationale for the discriminatory pattern against DDS/DMD with a previous non-us dental degree..

how about IMGs in medicine though?

There are many many US residency programs that do not accept IMGs or prefer US MDs or DOs, especially competitive ones. Plenty of discrimination there. You can’t fault a nation for wanting their own citizens in their programs. Just work hard and there may be a chance you match or post match if you are competitive.

 

[Sublimazing]

good point, so if one pays taxes then he is equally merited to be considered equally for a spot.

All of the international dental programs are self supported, means they bring money in the country and when they graduate, these ppl pay taxes as anybody else.. still cant see any rationale for the discriminatory pattern against DDS/DMD with a previous non-us dental degree..

how about IMGs in medicine though?

I’m not aware of any official discrimination against international grads who have earned a DDS/DMD, what has lead you to this conclusion? Maybe we can address the situation specifically?

This is clearly an issue you have some angst about...and I don’t know how wise it is to come onto this forum and type aggressive responses to current OMFS residents. It’s pretty easy to figure out who you are on the interview trail based on your post history...an international grad who was applying to dental schools around 2012...took the cbse in 2015 and 2019...and who has been out for a little...that makes you a very unique candidate.

Always best to remain collegial on the internet and especially here...it’s a small community. Good luck with your application! Let’s see if we can address specific issues you have rather than a broad accusation of discrimination.

 

[PhansterZ]

good point, so if one pays taxes then he is equally merited to be considered equally for a spot.

All of the international dental programs are self supported, means they bring money in the country and when they graduate, these ppl pay taxes as anybody else.. still cant see any rationale for the discriminatory pattern against DDS/DMD with a previous non-us dental degree..

how about IMGs in medicine though?

There are programs that accept international dentists. You just have to do your own research and find out which ones they are. I don’t think any of us can help your situation. OMFS is competitive and has no trouble filling out our match spots, unlike some medical residencies. Good luck with applications this year. There’s nothing anyone in this forum can really help you with. There are some dental schools can that sponsor you a green card if you work there a certain number of years, but it will be a long process. If you need citizenship now, Maybe try marrying an American citizen ?

 

[realman]

What do you want us to do about this?

I think my main hope for bringing that up is some of you will become chiefs, faculty, program directors,..,.. and in a spot where you will have influence in decision making. And having a conversation like that in the back of your head might hopefully make a change in the future.

There is no such a thing as a perfect system, but I think there is always room for a better fair one, if that makes sense.

 

[realman]

I’m not aware of any official discrimination against international grads who have earned a DDS/DMD, what has lead you to this conclusion? Maybe we can address the situation specifically?

This is clearly an issue you have some angst about...and I don’t know how wise it is to come onto this forum and type aggressive responses to current OMFS residents. It’s pretty easy to figure out who you are on the interview trail based on your post history...an international grad who was applying to dental schools around 2012...took the cbse in 2015 and 2019...and who has been out for a little...that makes you a very unique candidate.

Always best to remain collegial on the internet and especially here...it’s a small community. Good luck with your application! Let’s see if we can address specific issues you have rather than a broad accusation of discrimination.

If you went to threads where applicants with NBME score of 69 who did not get interviews. While I know other domestic applicants with lower score who match. I know there might be more of it, each applicant is different, and he might not have a good LORs. But it is clear that the chances of international dentists who earned DDS/DMD from a CODA accredited school are still being looked at as "international" applicants with less chances of getting interviews or matching. Even if they're US citizens.

When a PD mentions that he has issues that he doesn't like to accept "international applicants" that might be an issue. That is a discriminatory behavior, or not? There are more detailed examples that I do not want to give out. Set of rules should be applied equally on all. DDS/DMD, NBDE I/II, NBME, good standing, good LORs and high class rank. Background should not matter (that's the main matter). Back to the point of GME funding, it is fair to request a specific immigration status.

I think it is wise and professional to communicate a concern. Again, so hopefully some of you might be in a decision making spot where they will have this conversation in the back of your head.

Thanks for you wishes.

 

[toothsucker]

If you went to threads where applicants with NBME score of 69 who did not get interviews. While I know other domestic applicants with lower score who match. I know there might be more of it, each applicant is different, and he might not have a good LORs. But it is clear that the chances of international dentists who earned DDS/DMD from a CODA accredited school are still being looked at as "international" applicants with less chances of getting interviews or matching. Even if they're US citizens.

When a PD mentions that he has issues that he doesn't like to accept "international applicants" that might be an issue. That is a discriminatory behavior, or not? There are more detailed examples that I do not want to give out. Set of rules should be applied equally on all. DDS/DMD, NBDE I/II, NBME, good standing, good LORs and high class rank. Background should not matter (that's the main matter). Back to the point of GME funding, it is fair to request a specific immigration status.

I think it is wise to communicate a concern. Again so hopefully some of you might be in a decision making spot where they will have this conversation in the back of your head.

Thanks for you wishes.

Sorry you are in a situation like this where you feel like you are being discriminated against. I won’t pretend like discrimination or unconscious biases don’t exist. There are some programs who get scrutinized for not taking many females. There’s a paradigm shift happening in the field and I think people are making a more conscious effort to rectify these issues.

This stuff may never truly feel “fair”. Just look at the acceptance rate to medical and dental school by race. But everyone has to play the cards they were dealt. Keep your head down, crush your cbse, extern, do an internship, and let your application and story speak for itself.

And as was mentioned earlier, OMFS is a small world. Always keep that in the back of your head when posting on these forums.

 

[realman]

Sorry you are in a situation like this where you feel like you are being discriminated against. I won’t pretend like discrimination or unconscious biases don’t exist. There are some programs who get scrutinized for not taking many females. There’s a paradigm shift happening in the field and I think people are making a more conscious effort to rectify these issues.

This stuff may never truly feel “fair”. Just look at the acceptance rate to medical and dental school by race. But everyone has to play the cards they were dealt. Keep your head down, crush your cbse, extern, do an internship, and let your application and story speak for itself.

And as was mentioned earlier, OMFS is a small world. Always keep that in the back of your head when posting on these forums.

I am not in a situation like that, I am speaking for those who currently are.

Correct, whatever the right "politically correct" description is, it can be called unconscious bias, or resistance. It all comes down to the same effect.

That is 100% correct, and I do think open threads like this one is good to bring these points up so hopefully a change might happen.

 

[gyngyn]

Now that everyone has had their say, this appears to be a good time to close.