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Hi. I am currently a high school student in california and want to get into a pre-med program. I have a 4.4 gpa, much extra cirricular activities, ranked in the top 3%, and plan on scoring in the 1400 range on the sats. I would like to know the chances of me getting into a premed program in the united states, and which shcools i should look at. I want a 6 year program, and have heard of a few in miami and pennsylvania. If i did not get into a premed school in the us i would like to go to a med school in a forgein country such as ireland, pakistan, or the carribean.

P.S. my school dosent offer any chemistry ap or biology ap classes, so i dont have that or chem or bio sat 2s. In addition any advice or things i should know will be greatly appreciated. Also i would like to know if i can do anything with whats left with my summer, (one more month), to prepare or strengthen my chances of getting into a accelerated program in the u.s.

thank you
 
i recommend George Washington U's 6 year program, just becuz i love that school 😀



i DE-recommend (yes, i made up that word for the hell of it) you going to the carribean
 
umm, do u have any website for george washington university, and no, i dont want to go to the carribean, ive heard that they just want ur money, and know that only a few shcools such as st george, will allow for credentials for california (the state where i wanna practice)

thanks
 
zeeyo987 said:
Hi. I am currently a high school student in california and want to get into a pre-med program. I have a 4.4 gpa, much extra cirricular
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I love those 4.4 GPAs...

Jason
 
Are you sure you don't want to go to a regular 4-yr. college? 😕
I think the MSAR has a list of universities with accelerated programs.
 
6 year programs? No one told me about these when I was in high school! I looked into a few 8-year BS/MD programs, but I decided I didn't want to be at the same school for that long (the names of the schools escape me right now).
 
congrats on your accomplishments...i mean it. it's great that you know what you'd want out of life so early.

but I would strongly recommand not going into a six year program. mainly because COLLEGE IS REALLY FUN (well, it was fun for me). why rush into the work...enjoy the journey along the way🙂
 
I know of two accelerated programs in Texas. There is one at Rice University and it is associated with Baylor, and another at Texas A&M, which is associated with the A&M program. Both of these programs are highly competitive, so I don't know if having an SAT in the 1400's would cut it. These programs also prefer students who have already completed a lot of their undergraduate courses through AP or dual credit.
My advice would be to do all of your undergrad work and earn a bachelor's, maybe even a year early, which is what I am doing. If you do not get into accelerated program in the US, is it really worth it to undermine your potential and go to a foreign school? In addition, there's a possibility that you may change your mind, either in your undergraduate years or in med school, in which case you will have not have a bachelor's degree to show for all of your efforts.

Best of luck.
 
thanks a lot guys for the info. i really dont care for the "college experience," i just want to get on with my life, and stop wasting time with something such as english class or history in which i will never use. i know u might think i should have some knowledge of these things, thats why im taking ap classes right now to get some feel for those subjects. i figure why waste 2 years if i go to a 6 year program, and many forgein schools such as ireland are very good. but any advice as to how i can prepare, what i should be doing now to look good to accelerated programs in the u.s. would be very nice, btw, i have volunteer experience, should i get a job too?

i have this site, for ba-md programs, ba-md programs and have the complete guide to forgein medical shools, the high school doctor, medical school from high school, and from high school to med school, are there any other resources i should look at?

thanks a lot
 
ap classes really dont give you a feel for anything compared to college. at least that was the case in my situation. i took around 13 APs and was still overwhelmed at the difference of college courses compared to high school ones. theres a reason medical schools want well rounded people who are knowledgable in a number of areas. it prolly helps with being able to relate to the diverse types of patients you will encounter in the future.

now as to your situation. i know one girl from my high school got accepted into the Brown program. She did have a higher GPA, and SAT scores, had lots of ECs and played varsity sports. She won the high school's best overall female student award.

You can still apply to all the programs mentioned here on this thread, but you should not be so all or nothing. If you dont get accepted to any of the programs...instead of foriegn med schools, I would rather go get a bachelors and enjoy college.
 
You could also do undergrad in 3 years and try to get into med school right away...thus creating your own 7 year program. That way you don't necessarily have to spend 6 or 8 years in the same place.
 
why not try to take some classes at your local college for credit. that would show you how some college classes really are
 
I think not having those AP chem/bio courses could be a problem. I think some schools actually require that you have taken the SAT IIs in those subjects. You should take community college courses in those subjects and then take the SAT IIs if you still have time.

BTW, penn state has a 6 year program. Just get the MSAR book...the beginning chapters of that book are dedicated to these programs. go to www.aamc.org to order one for $25
 
There are a few colleges with 6 year programs in the MSAR. I think there is one medical school that is like 90% BA/MD students. The Baylor/Rice and Baylor/Baylor programs are still 4-4 years that I know. They just guarantee acceptances, which many other schools also do. However to apply for such a program your SAT's must be 1450 minimum, Top 2% of class, and great EC's. So if any 6 year programs are nearly as competetive, I would plan on pulling a 1500+ on the SAT.
 
Northwestern and University of Illinois Chicago have those types of programs.

I have to ask, how do you know that you are "not interested in the college experience" if you've never been? The college experience isn't just taking History, English and other classes that you're not interested in, it's a time for you to expand your world vision, develop new point of view and mature into a critical thinkng adult.
Good luck, that's just my 2 cents.
 
Some of the BA/MD or BS/MD programs are very competitive. I go to Penn State University and my premed advisor sits on the admissions review board for the 6 year Penn State/Jefferson program. He said that during the last admissions season, they had so many qualified applicants that they were rejecting people who had PERFECT SAT scores. However, it may be easier to gain admission into other programs.

The program is a pretty sweet deal though. The students start during the summer after high school. In the two years (including summers) that they spend at Penn State, they must satisfy all of the standard premed requirements, Penn States general education requirements, and I think a class in physiology,... perhaps another upper level bio class - not sure. However, they take very few upper level classes and rarely anything outside of the biological sciences. This may leave them less prepared for medical school than their classmates that took the traditional route. They also need to take the MCAT and score 9's on each section. Of the two friends of mine that finished the Penn State portion of the program, one scored a 28, and the other a 38.
 
To be honest, I was considering the same thing back in high school. However, at that time my uncle was the med/peds residency director at a local hospital, and he told me that he NEVER even considered the applications of students coming out of 6 year BS/MD programs. The reason is that they lack the overall maturity of the other applicants, having missed out on two years of college/life experience. He also told me that other programs are similarly very reluctant to accept these applicants for the same reasons. My advice is the following...go to college, major in something that interests you (this doesn't necessarily have to be biology), and participate in various ECs so that when you do apply to medical school, you are well-rounded, mature, and have proven to yourself and ADCOMs that you are ready to take on the responsibility and dedication that it takes to be a physician.
 
if you want to still get the full college experience and med school, and finish early, my best suggestion is to finish high school a year early. I'd rather give up a year of high school than college/med school. just a suggestion. i'll still graduate when i'm 20, and get an MD when i'm 24, 2 years earlier than the average traditional student.
 
that's a good suggestion


Actually that's what i'm doing right now. I skipped a grade and now I am entering college at 16 yrs of age. If you really want to finished undergrad and med school early, you can try to do this.

You can also try to get alot ap credit so that you can finished college in 3 years instead of four.
 
First of all, be sure to choose programs with GUARANTEED medschool admissions upon completion of the undergrad phase. Some accelerated programs uses a system of weeding/cutting and isn't worth it. With that being said, have you tried looking at USC? I'm not sure if they still have their program, but it's guaranteed medschool admission though very difficult to get in.
 
thanks guys, yea i looked at ucla because they have a program in conjunction with ucr but they have a weeding out process, i thought usc had the same deal, but ill definetly look into that. but i have taken a few classes at junior colleges but those were like computer classes and so fourth, nothing really in the chem or bio field, i wish i had taken those classes this summer so that i would be better prepared and qualified. u guys mentioned brown and penn state, but on a few books i got and a few websites i found other programs such as kent state university which claims to have no minimums for acceptance, lehigh university, university of akron, miami, university of missouri kansas, villanova university, youngstown university, if anyone has any info on these schools i would really appreciate it, i think uscd has one too, btw, all these schools are 6 year programs

oh yea and im not the guy who wants to party or expand his mind on life in college, ill wait to do that after im an md and when im studying to get a business degree

thanks
 
i graduated from lehigh, and a decent # of the people in my bio classes were in the lehigh/drexel 6 year program. I know very few that actually liked it. Those that did, were often socially inept and unfit to be a practicing physician, IMO. Of course, that is a generalization when you consider all of the programs and people out there, but part of the college experience is actually meeting people and building a social network?qualities that I would hope a doctor is good at. When you have 20+ credits a semester and take classes year-round to get done in 2, you are missing out on quite a lot (not including the English and history classes you ?will never use?). Those of my friends that were in the program and didn?t like it actually waited until they took the MCAT (to make sure they were competitive outside the program) and then withdrew to apply to other schools. If you are set on getting in one of these, at least keep that in mind. You may find that the med school you are destined to go to does not fit.

And FYI?the Drexel program does weed quite a bit. There were usually only 30 spots available for that program, and you have to go through the normal interviewing process prior to matriculating undergrad. The minimum SAT at Lehigh was 1350. You have to maintain a 3.5+ throughout and earn at least a 9 (may have been changed to an 8 or a 27 overall, although I am not sure) on each section of the MCAT.
 
I was kinda like that in high school, until I got to college and am having the best time in my life. Where else can you get up at 10:00 in the morning, go to class for a couple of hours, stay up as late as you want, drink whenever you feel like, do stupid stuff and not get in trouble . . . ? It's not the material that you learn in college, rather it's the experience that shapes you as a person. I've learned more about life and myself than I've ever learned for a test. Good physicians are the people who are most well rounded from balancing the freedoms and requirements that only college can provide. When you actually get there, trust me, you won't want to leave.
 
im sure college is a really fun place to party and have fun, but id rather do that in med school, or later on in life, im really more concerned with saving 2 years, and its not just me, but my parents feel the same way and dont want me to go to college. of course im not doing only what my parents say but thats another factor involved. i was going to take ap physics at my school, but really wanted to take honors since my schedule with calc, english ap, spanish ap, gov ap, econ honors is pretty tight

thanks
 
i think bs/md programs are okay...I actually got into one and turned it down when I was in high school. Uh, I wouldn't recommend them to my kids though (if I had kids 🙂 ). I knew a couple of people--one who ended up at the USC program and another that went to the Rice/Baylor one (that one is a 8 year program, i think)...both decided medicine was not what they wanted. What sucks about the USC one is that if you change your mind, you don't have a bachelor's degree once you leave...

but i guess if medicine is the one profession you are certain will provide you with a fulfilling career, go for it! i personally did not have enough life experience or career experiences straight out of high school to make that call...so I decided to spend a few more years and learn more about myself and what will make me happy. it was one of the hardest decisions I made but I'm really really glad I didn't go then.

and although you think spending 4 years in college will be a drag, it's such a fun, amazing opportunity. Just make sure you don't end up regretting the decision you make when you are 17 when you're 40...just a thought.

Good luck. Sounds like you're very motivated. I'm sure you'll get into a great program! PM me if you have any questions but it sounds like you have things under control.
 
ECU has a 7 year program where you complete your college courses in 3 years and go straight to the med school without taking the MCAT. However, you can't major in a science and you have to be from NC, so you're SOL.

I strongly recommend against this course. It doesn't sound like you have the stats to get into one of the BS/MD joint programs as they all sound extremely competitive and are looking for students who not only kick ass academically but are also well-rounded people. Most colleges list the requirements for their majors online...why don't you look around and try to find one that at a school that has a minimal number of courses in the liberal arts courses you so seem to despise? Yes, you might get stuck taking 1 semester of freshman English. Suck it up, it's not that bad.

You have no idea how much you're going to change between now and by the time you turn 20. Give yourself some time to grow, and for heaven's sake give yourself some time to define yourself as more than just a career in medicine. Med school makes you boring. Don't compound that be being boring when you go in.
 
Sweet Tea said:
You have no idea how much you're going to change between now and by the time you turn 20. Give yourself some time to grow, and for heaven's sake give yourself some time to define yourself as more than just a career in medicine. Med school makes you boring. Don't compound that be being boring when you go in.
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so true...well put :clap:
 
zeeyo987 said:
i really dont care for the "college experience," i just want to get on with my life, and stop wasting time with something such as english class or history in which i will never use.
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I think you should really re-examine this statement. The purpose of education is not merely to "get a job" and "make a stable salary." The great education gives a person intellectual curiosity beyond the necessary and the required.

I would like to quote Dr. Lynn Perry-Tottinger, an African American physician who practices interventional cardiology in New York. She is both a Yale (med) and Harvard (undergrad) graduate.

"I must say that it was the embrace of intellectual adventure at Harvard that led me to be an honors medical student at Yale. By the way, my undergraduate honors thesis was entiled 'German Attitudes towards the Anglo-Boer War in South Africa.'" (Yale Alumni Magazine, July/August 2004).

College experience is not about drinking oneself to death and sleeping with random people (too bad it is for some). The College Experience teaches one to an embrace of intellecutal adventure that doesn't point directly toward professional sucess. English and history are definitely not useless. Taking a course in medical ethics or the history of medicine and science may change your perspective on your career choice all together.

I came to college, dead-set on getting into i-banking and thinking an education ultimately only leads to a job. Oh boy, how wrong was I? It's difficult to envision the rest of one's life when one is only 17 or 18. I hope you keep your options open, and not dismiss humanities as useless (a book of philosohy or a lecture in ethics can change a life). There is a lot more to life than getting a respectable job and pleasing one's parents.
 
I hate it when people fo thru these MD/BA programs. Most of these programs have a min GPA requirement of ~3.2 and a min MCAT ~25. And you know what?.... most of those students acheive at slightly above that level. It takes away your drive. You have no fear of not getting into medical school, so you don't really learn anything in undergrad. Plus everyone in undergrad will hate you when they see that you have a 3.3 and a 26 and guaranteed acceptance somewhere. Dude, just go to college, and have fun. Medicine is gravy and everything, but you don't wanna miss out on the major food groups here.
 
zeeyo987 said:
im sure college is a really fun place to party and have fun, but id rather do that in med school, or later on in life, im really more concerned with saving 2 years, and its not just me, but my parents feel the same way and dont want me to go to college. of course im not doing only what my parents say but thats another factor involved. i was going to take ap physics at my school, but really wanted to take honors since my schedule with calc, english ap, spanish ap, gov ap, econ honors is pretty tight

thanks
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This was a really stupid thing to say. When you interview for residency, what do you think they will ask you?... how to make a Gringard reagent?... or something about colon cancer? They will test your intellect beyond science. Stuff you learn in undergrad. Get on with your life, eh? Well good luck travelling down that road. You'll be telling future SDNers in 3 years how you regret doing an MD/BA program. They should just get rid of those programs. Everyone should get into med school based on their college qualifications. Afterall, medical school IS graduate school and you can't judge someone for that while they're in high school.
 
CoronaMan said:
This was a really stupid thing to say. When you interview for residency, what do you think they will ask you?... how to make a Gringard reagent?... or something about colon cancer? They will test your intellect beyond science. Stuff you learn in undergrad. Get on with your life, eh? Well good luck travelling down that road. You'll be telling future SDNers in 3 years how you regret doing an MD/BA program. They should just get rid of those programs. Everyone should get into med school based on their college qualifications. Afterall, medical school IS graduate school and you can't judge someone for that while they're in high school.
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word...i think they shouldn't have these programs either. they're so misleading...what 17 year old is going to know what they'll want to do in 10 years?! I didn't even know what I wanted to major in my first few years in college! but, i had fun...no not just drinking and partying (though those are really fun!), but meeting interesting people, learning interesting things, and growing up--not just as a student, but as a whole individual. In the rest of the world education is seen as ONLY a process to get from point A to point B--that is, to become a doctor/lawyer/teacher...in the US, it's seen as a growing experience, not so much an entirely educational endeavor...because those years between 18-22 are crucial for learning about yourself and others.
And it'll make you relate to your patients and fellow colleagues more...so it'll make you a better doctor.
 
Why do you want to go thrrough college and med school so fast?

Do you have a urge to help people out or are you in it for the money and title?
 
zeeyo987 said:
im sure college is a really fun place to party and have fun, but id rather do that in med school, or later on in life, im really more concerned with saving 2 years, and its not just me, but my parents feel the same way and dont want me to go to college. of course im not doing only what my parents say but thats another factor involved. i was going to take ap physics at my school, but really wanted to take honors since my schedule with calc, english ap, spanish ap, gov ap, econ honors is pretty tight

thanks
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the fact that you already have an incomprehensibly (to me) asinine and immature outlook on the ?college experience? is one more reason for to go to for 4 years. get as much help as you can while the brain is still developing. unfortunately the solution is somewhat counterintuitive, as it usually involves copious amounts of grain alcohol. try to convice your parents to also partake, perhaps the damage is reversible.
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jrmgarbage said:
the fact that you already have an incomprehensibly (to me) asinine and immature outlook on the ?college experience? is one more reason for to go to for 4 years. get as much help as you can while the brain is still developing. unfortunately the solution is somewhat counterintuitive, as it usually involves copious amounts of grain alcohol. try to convice your parents to also partake, perhaps the damage is reversible.
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I agree sort of. I got accepted to a BA/MD program without even applying. The director of admissions basically called my house inviting me for an interview. But at the time, I didn't know whether I really wanted to go into medicine. However, in retrospect, I am glad i didn't go to that program, because now that I am a rising junior in college, I am seriously considering MD/PhD--something I never even dreamt of before! And the school I was accepted to for BA/MD does not have the greatest md/phd program for me. Therefore, i am glad i went to college because it helped mature my decision with respect to what i want to do with my life, and sometimes it's just not healthy to push yourself so far ahead of everyone else--you need a social life too. And note this is coming from a person who studies 7 hours a day on average!--so heed the advice, and good luck with your future. You have brains so use them well.

-dave
 
I don't know. I'm in a BA/MD program at VCU and it's worked out pretty well, but that's because we have stuff like a semester of study abroad, no MCATs, required to take a minor, etc., etc., lots of community service built into our program. I majored in Mass Communications (print journalism) and minored in bio, chem, and poli sci...and I know I did this because I didn't have all the stress of applying to medical school. I took my MCATs and am currently applying out without any threat of losing my seat -- but this is a program that encourages you to do a lot of different, life-changing things in undergrad. They take bio majors, but encourage you to change into a humanities, social science, etc. if you have even the slightest prediliction to do so.

And to the poster who thinks it's stupid to have these programs, I disagree. For those who have investigated medicine in high school (hundreds of service hours, mentorships, emt work, etc) and know this is for them, this is a great option that encourages these kids to go out and do other things. at my school the "GMeds" are leaders in student government, athletics, greek life and service organizations, as well as in the classroom. We're not nerds who sit in the bio dept. all day doing research...so don't make generalizations...

I will say that 8 year programs allow these opps. I am against 6 and 7 year programs because they make you focus entirely on science and shortchange the undergrad. experience....
 
I agree with gold&black2005. The 6 and 7 years are generally restrictive with what you can do. But in the case of most 8 year programs, you can do anything you want without the worry of not making it into medical school. In 8 year programs, you can apply out to better schools and other combined medical programs like md/phd if you want.
 
I appreciate your guys thoughts; however i must say that like gold&black2005 said, you can experience medicine in high school. all throughout my life i felt that i wanted to just get into a computer field, business, law, or medicine. after looking at every field i knew that medicine was the right one for me. i spent a lot of time with computers and found that i really hate them now, law is too unstable and dosent really suit me. with many hours of community service, helping other people, loving biology class and chemistry i knew i found the field that i wanted. i guess it sort of runs in the family, seeing how half my family is involved with medicine. in addition, you guys make it seem like i cant have any fun in med school. i want to still go to a college/university to get such a program, who says that i cant have any fun there, what difference in the fun factor is there if i take a english class or bio class? since i know i want to go into medicine, and my parents pretty much will only let me to go medicine i will continue my ventures. however; i do plan on doing business later on in my life after i am a doctor, since most doctors are involved with investments and such.

can people post the grades and scores they recieved to get into a ba/md program, i could thus get an idea into how my chances are into getting into a ba/md program.

btw, coronaman, maybe you were too drunk to realize what the fuk you were talking about

thanks
 
PM me for my stats, I still say do an 8 year and major in something different...maybe business since you expressed an interest?

zeeyo987 said:
I appreciate your guys thoughts; however i must say that like gold&black2005 said, you can experience medicine in high school. all throughout my life i felt that i wanted to just get into a computer field, business, law, or medicine. after looking at every field i knew that medicine was the right one for me. i spent a lot of time with computers and found that i really hate them now, law is too unstable and dosent really suit me. with many hours of community service, helping other people, loving biology class and chemistry i knew i found the field that i wanted. i guess it sort of runs in the family, seeing how half my family is involved with medicine. in addition, you guys make it seem like i cant have any fun in med school. i want to still go to a college/university to get such a program, who says that i cant have any fun there, what difference in the fun factor is there if i take a english class or bio class? since i know i want to go into medicine, and my parents pretty much will only let me to go medicine i will continue my ventures. however; i do plan on doing business later on in my life after i am a doctor, since most doctors are involved with investments and such.

can people post the grades and scores they recieved to get into a ba/md program, i could thus get an idea into how my chances are into getting into a ba/md program.

btw, coronaman, maybe you were too drunk to realize what the fuk you were talking about

thanks
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to the OP, if you're dead set on going to a BA/MD program, i dont recall if you said we're you're from, but if you live in the NYC area, CUNY Brooklyn college has a 7 year program with SUNY Downstate. although thats really competetive to get into. i think the year i applied (and got rejected) they accepted 2 applicants for the entire program.

but whoever recommended it earlier, i graduated high school i 3 years because i had too many credits to stay in the school for a 4 year. but i'm glad i did, because now, i can take my time in college, take a bunch of interesting courses, graduate in the 4 years with a major in biochem and a minor in french, taking side courses in media and music and gym and advertising and art. if i was accepted into the combined program, there's no way i could've taken these courses. and now, if the need arises, i can always take a year off, and still graduate from medical school not too far behind every one else.
 
gold&black2005 said:
I don't know. I'm in a BA/MD program at VCU and it's worked out pretty well, but that's because we have stuff like a semester of study abroad, no MCATs, required to take a minor, etc., etc., lots of community service built into our program. I majored in Mass Communications (print journalism) and minored in bio, chem, and poli sci...and I know I did this because I didn't have all the stress of applying to medical school. I took my MCATs and am currently applying out without any threat of losing my seat -- but this is a program that encourages you to do a lot of different, life-changing things in undergrad. They take bio majors, but encourage you to change into a humanities, social science, etc. if you have even the slightest prediliction to do so.

And to the poster who thinks it's stupid to have these programs, I disagree. For those who have investigated medicine in high school (hundreds of service hours, mentorships, emt work, etc) and know this is for them, this is a great option that encourages these kids to go out and do other things. at my school the "GMeds" are leaders in student government, athletics, greek life and service organizations, as well as in the classroom. We're not nerds who sit in the bio dept. all day doing research...so don't make generalizations...

I will say that 8 year programs allow these opps. I am against 6 and 7 year programs because they make you focus entirely on science and shortchange the undergrad. experience....
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You have NOT listed ANY reasons supporting these BA/MD programs over going the traditional route. At my school, we were called "pre-meds." We too were leaders in athletics, greek life, stuednt government, ect... " I'd say about 70% of the BA/MD students at my school were in it bc of parental influence (they wanna make sure their kids get a spot no matter what) and were overall, mediocre-poor applicants who take the spots of would-be better students. Sure they got into medical school, but how well they did when they got there is a whole different story. Find me stats on how well BA/MD students do on average vs traditional pre-meds and you'll have an argument. If you can't find those stats, maybe its' bc someone doesn't want you to. In addition, there is NO argument against ALL pre-meds going through college and having to apply with everyone else. There's only "support" for the BA/MD programs.
 
zeeyo987 said:
I appreciate your guys thoughts; however i must say that like gold&black2005 said, you can experience medicine in high school. all throughout my life i felt that i wanted to just get into a computer field, business, law, or medicine. after looking at every field i knew that medicine was the right one for me. i spent a lot of time with computers and found that i really hate them now, law is too unstable and dosent really suit me. with many hours of community service, helping other people, loving biology class and chemistry i knew i found the field that i wanted. i guess it sort of runs in the family, seeing how half my family is involved with medicine. in addition, you guys make it seem like i cant have any fun in med school. i want to still go to a college/university to get such a program, who says that i cant have any fun there, what difference in the fun factor is there if i take a english class or bio class? since i know i want to go into medicine, and my parents pretty much will only let me to go medicine i will continue my ventures. however; i do plan on doing business later on in my life after i am a doctor, since most doctors are involved with investments and such.

can people post the grades and scores they recieved to get into a ba/md program, i could thus get an idea into how my chances are into getting into a ba/md program.

btw, coronaman, maybe you were too drunk to realize what the fuk you were talking about

thanks
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OK, it's obvious. Your parents want your little scrawny ass to go to medical school so you can be their TROPHY to display at your next medical appointment/family meeting. You misunderstood me... I'm not saying go to college bc it's fun. That would be stupid. And if you think all the "fun" is in medical school, you're totally right! They have ice cream and rides and candy... I can't wait to do it again! You think that "knowing" you're for medicine is about volutneering and liking science? Going into medicine isn't like becoming the Pope. It's an occupation, NOT a devine calling. No one will let you into their program after they interview you. I hope your interview skills are better than your written skills here on this forum, bc if not, you're up the creek. Better pull out that computer and begin to like it. By the way, I was in a pre-med internship as a high school student (HOSA, yeah, the BIG one, biatch) and it didn't convince me or anyone else in it that medicine or health care for that matter was for us. You know why?... bc we were too busy being high school students, kicking all the nerds' (like yours) asses. And now look at me!... off to Penn. Forget applying to the BA/MD programs. You need a little more time on your mom's teet
 
I would not recommend a six-year "guaranteed entry" program. My problem with this style of program is that you don't need to be nearly as competitive of a candidate.

I'm doing quite well in college, and I probably could have handled a 6-year program in stride, BUT I did NOT have this maturity when I started college. I had NO idea what studying really meant, and as much as you may think AP fully prepares you for this, it doesn't. I feel that college will strengthen your work ethic and ensure that this is really what you want to do (I was quite sure when I started college, but MANY people change their minds).

If you want to save time, graduate HS a year early or shave a year off of your undergrad (for example, Northwestern only requires that you have completed ~70 credits to get in, but a BS is recommended). That said, Northwestern has a 6-year program.
 
zeeyo987 said:
im sure college is a really fun place to party and have fun, but id rather do that in med school, or later on in life, im really more concerned with saving 2 years
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Two years? Really, man, what is two years? NOT MUCH! The first two years of my undergrad have just zoomed by, and the difference between what I know now and then is immense beyond words. What's the hurry?

Med school won't be the place to party and relax - not when you have to study 30-40 hours a week, which is not what you do now, I guarantee you that. College doesn't have to be a party atmosphere - I've had two drinks the entire time I've been in college, and I haven't attended one "party" either (just casual get-togethers), but you will certainly have fun, meet new people, mature and change. If anything, do an 8-year program, but I would just go the normal route. If you could get into a BA/MD program now, you'll get into med school without a problem if you keep up the hard work.
 
CoronaMan said:
OK, it's obvious. Your parents want your little scrawny ass to go to medical school so you can be their TROPHY to display at your next medical appointment/family meeting. You misunderstood me... I'm not saying go to college bc it's fun. That would be stupid. And if you think all the "fun" is in medical school, you're totally right! They have ice cream and rides and candy... I can't wait to do it again! You think that "knowing" you're for medicine is about volutneering and liking science? Going into medicine isn't like becoming the Pope. It's an occupation, NOT a devine calling. No one will let you into their program after they interview you. I hope your interview skills are better than your written skills here on this forum, bc if not, you're up the creek. Better pull out that computer and begin to like it. By the way, I was in a pre-med internship as a high school student (HOSA, yeah, the BIG one, biatch) and it didn't convince me or anyone else in it that medicine or health care for that matter was for us. You know why?... bc we were too busy being high school students, kicking all the nerds' (like yours) asses. And now look at me!... off to Penn. Forget applying to the BA/MD programs. You need a little more time on your mom's teet
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CoronaMan--whoa! c'mon, he's only a kid! not so much negativity.
but i totally agree with your sentiments about bs/md program. this kid is only in high school...plus, he's probably going through that whole 'I'm a teenager and I know EVERYTHING to know about life.' it's a pre-frontal cortex issue 🙂 so he's not going to listen to our advice.

high school kid--if you want my stats, you can pm me but i don't know if i remember my hs sat scores...long time ago. but like i said earlier, i'm so glad i turned down the md/bs program. i'm going to a great med school (very well-ranked, nice people, amazing research opportunities, the perfect fit for me) and i had a fabulous time in undergrad.

i know you don't care about what people are saying--sounds like you have made your mind up--but if you want some good advice, i'd say either do an 8 year program, like goldandblack suggested, or just do the same path everyone else does. whatever you do, don't just do what your parents say. in high school, you can't have possibly experienced every type of job you'd like, so sit tight and see what unfolds in life. and this isn't hippy, new-age crap i'm spewing...you can't forever be listening to your parents...at some point, you make the call and do what you want to do. what's the rush? are you on a schedule? chill and enjoy yourself. life is NOT that serious. 🙂

I'm sure you'll be fine on your interviews, your applications, etc...but you should really sit back and think about whose dream you are trying to pursue--your parents' or your own.
good luck!
 
zeeyo987 said:
Hi. I am currently a high school student in california and want to get into a pre-med program. I have a 4.4 gpa, much extra cirricular activities, ranked in the top 3%, and plan on scoring in the 1400 range on the sats. I would like to know the chances of me getting into a premed program in the united states, and which shcools i should look at. I want a 6 year program, and have heard of a few in miami and pennsylvania. If i did not get into a premed school in the us i would like to go to a med school in a forgein country such as ireland, pakistan, or the carribean.

P.S. my school dosent offer any chemistry ap or biology ap classes, so i dont have that or chem or bio sat 2s. In addition any advice or things i should know will be greatly appreciated. Also i would like to know if i can do anything with whats left with my summer, (one more month), to prepare or strengthen my chances of getting into a accelerated program in the u.s.

thank you
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Let me guess ur either indian or pakistani? My parents were like that also "if u don't get into a 6 or 7 year program we re not paying for college ....." I did get into some and when I actually went to the colleges to check them out I hated them and the students that were in the programs. I totally agree with everyone else college is a lot more than just a way to get to med school. I am a senior now and I wish i had taken more english, history, poli sci classes while i was here. My parents are kinda pissed that I decided to take a year off between undergrad and med school, but who cares its my life not theirs.
 
so what are most of you guys saying, that i wont like medical school at all, that medicine isnt for me? yea i can go a head and explore other fields, but i know for a fact that medicine is already the field i will enjoy, u cant say that no one who went through a pre-med program did not pass or did not end up a happy and successful doctor. i know plenty of people who did just fine, and people who went to school in 3rd world countries, not even america. plus its not like im just gonna be a doctor, like i said i want to get into business as well, and we all know that for most programs that you minor in something else too, that dosent have to be science related at all. it may sound really stupid to you guys, but i really do enjoy helping people, even if in the end, god forbidden i dont like medicine as much as i would have liked to have i would still continue it, not because my parents told me to, but because i would want to, medicine is the one and only field that i see where i have a steady, large income, if i decide i dont like medicine, which im 100% sure wont happen, ill at least use my degree as a steping stone to do other things with my life. when im done with school ill be in my 20's, and have my whole life a head of me. oh yea dont worry about me and the interviews, ill tell them how it is, i love medicine, i want to help people, i want to do my best and pursue schooling at whatever school it is.

oh coronaman, just to let u know, you talk like a typical hick, maybe you talk like a ****** because you were too busy fuking your dads and sucking their dick. btw, im 6'3'', 205 pounds, haha, not a little guy, **** find me and ill fight you, and kick your ass, no joke. i already did my time in high school like eat guys like you for breakfast. dont worry coronaman, i wont get offended, say whatever your molested mouth wants to

thanks
 
zeeyo987 said:
medicine is the one and only field that i see where i have a steady, large income

oh coronaman, just to let u know, you talk like a typical hick, maybe you talk like a ****** because you were too busy fuking your dads and sucking their dick. btw, im 6'3'', 205 pounds, haha, not a little guy, **** find me and ill fight you, and kick your ass, no joke. i already did my time in high school like eat guys like you for breakfast. dont worry coronaman, i wont get offended, say whatever your molested mouth wants to

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Money, eh? Now we see why you wanna do medicine. Makes your business approach more understandable as well. btw, "****" is spelled with a "c" after the "u" and before the "k." And once again, you have demonstrated your intellect by your grammatical errors and continuted misuse of the English language. Medical school?... good luck getting into a decent college. There's something called the Verbal portion of the MCAT that usually weeds out illiterate folks like you. Oh, and btw, I'm 6'2", 190, and have a Golden Glove that I earned in, yes, high school. I will Roy Jones Jr your ass and then drink a Corona with your parents. You never know, your mommy might like me and the Coronas so much, you'd have a little brother and/or sister with me as the Y chromosome (this is what males have, Mr. AP scientist) donor. Get off this fourm and go have a childhood. Stop spending time gaining enemies in this field before you even start.
 
bambii said:
CoronaMan--whoa! c'mon, he's only a kid! not so much negativity.QUOTE]

Sorry! Not usually my take on things, but you know how it is sometimes... in the words of Bill Cosby, "... kids say the darndest things!"
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haha, shows how much intelect you have, i wasnt referring to what you and your dads do, rather i was referring to what you are, a piece of feces. so maybe you should take some time away from trying to have kids with your daddies and rethink your life. oh yea, whats wrong with helping people and making money, im happy, my patients are happy, everyones happy, except you, because you have two dads, btw, how the fuk did that happen, haha, looks like you missed out on your childhood.
 
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