Historically Black or Open minded Schools

[pathdr2b]

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Chitlins and collard greens were also forced upon blacks.

I lOVE chitlins and collards! 👍

 

[Cerbernator]

Braids and dishikes were just ONE EXAMPLE AND NOT ONCE DID I STATE THIS REPRESENTS ALL OF AFRICA!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yah know, the Africans that dress up in all those bright beautiful clothes that you think represents your "culture" are usually the exception. They are the rich upper class. It's like me wearing a crown and robe and claiming that I am in touch with my french roots.

 

[learss]

I also disagree with the idea that individuals can relate to each other based on the color of their skin. I am black but I did not automatically relate to African Americans because of the fact that we share our skin color. My upbringing values and way of life are vastly different! In fact I, and most Africans I know found that the way we were brought up was more similar to the upbringing of caucasian-americans. COnsequently, I relate more to them and to other "international americans".

Yes, that is your experience. For me personally, as 1 of 10 black students in a class of 350 freshwomen, it was refreshing to see someone who looked like me on campus. No, we all did not have everything in common, because contrary to popular belief, black people are not all alike. However, we bonded over our small number at school.

By the way what is caucasian upbringing? I really would like to know the difference between african-american and caucasian-american upbringing?

 

[Cerbernator]

PROUD decendant of people from Ghana. What about you?

I am the Proud decendant of France and Germany wooo ****ing hooo

 

[pathdr2b]

Yah know, the Africans that dress up in all those bright beautiful clothes that you think represents your "culture" are usually the exception. They are the rich upper class. It's like me wearing a crown and robe and claiming that I am in touch with my french roots.

Why not reclaim your Natzi roots as you did in a previous post? 😉

 

[medic170]

Why not reclaim your Natzi roots as you did in a previous post? 😉

I think you mean Nazi, anf thats just wrong. you guys are out of control.

 

[Cerbernator]

Why not reclaim your Natzi roots as you did in a previous post? 😉

um, my family moved here in the 18th century 🙄 Why don't you take your ignorance elsewhere.

btw - isnt it pathetic that you have to lie about me claiming "nazi roots"? You are a deranged individual. Unlike you, I evaluate the individual based on personal merits not race. I care for all races equally, as all people should. Shame on you!

 

[pathdr2b]

Yeah and you also got a 38 MCAT and were accepted MD/PhD a few years back 🙄 🙄

No actually, it was a mid 20's MCAT with an MD/PhD acceptence. And I learned just today (off the record of course) that this same school plans to give me another shot at it with a FULL NIH scholarship! 😛

 

[Cerbernator]

No actually, it was a mid 20's MCAT with an MD/PhD acceptence. And I learned just today (off the record of course) that this same school plans to give me another shot at it with a FULL NIH scholarship! 😛

Yeauhhuhh 🙄

 

[pathdr2b]

btw - isnt it pathetic that you have to lie about me claiming "nazi roots"? You are a deranged individual. !

Awwwww Pookey!!!!! 😍 I KNOW you're not talking about people lying are you? 😕

 

[Heal&Teach]

I think you mean Nazi, anf thats just wrong. you guys are out of control.

Oy ve... if you haven't noticed, path and cerb have a love affair on SDN that supercedes no other. Unfortunately, there's always bound to be some mudslinging in even the most innocent threads. Get used to it.

 

[pathdr2b]

Oy ve... if you haven't noticed, path and cerb have a love affair on SDN that supercedes no other. Unfortunately, there's always bound to be some mudslinging in even the most innocent threads. Get used to it.

My ignore button is usually operational but somehow I let it slip. As usual, if he didn't start anything there wouldn't be anything!
What I've found most interesting is that no matter how out of place he's been , the person that stood up for me in all this was a fellow MD/PhDer, a caucasion dude! 😕 It's all good, I've learned to fight my own "battles".

 

[Cerbernator]

My ignore button is usually operational but somehow I let it slip. As usual, if he didn't start anything there wouldn't be anything!
What I've found most interesting is that no matter how out of place he's been , the person that stood up for me in all this was a fellow MD/PhDer, a caucasion dude! 😕 It's all good, I've learned to fight my own "battles".

People have stood up for you? That surprises the hell out of me

Oh and I think i'm beating a dead horse here but WHO ****ING CARES IF THE DUDE WHO "stood up for you" IS WHITE? What does it matter? An argument should be either right or wrong, good or bad exclusive of the race of the person presenting it. This is exactly why i think you are exactly what is wrong with teh world.

 

[Friday]

Its really unfair and illogical for anyone who has a sense of american history to compare 1st and 2nd generation immigrants to Americans of African Ancestry. We might as well be discussing how the Dutch Americans are more assimilated to 'American' culture than Asian Americans.

The best, and only valid comparison is with 1st and 2nd generation African and Carribean immigrants. In that same vein, it is more appropriate for the African as opposed to the Caribbean immigrants to some extent.

So youre telling me that fried chicken and okra are a dish commonly served in, say, Kenya?

Yes. Big time. Trust me.

 

[LaurieB]

I haven't read through all the posts on your thread because I wanted to avoid the flame wars. I apologize if I am being redundant.

I think your question is a thoughful one as you decide where you might want to pursue your medical education.

Back in February there was a radio program about a study on the quality of medical school graduates that came down pretty hard on two historically black colleges, Meharry and Howard. Here is a link to the thread that referenced the program and related articles:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=103848

One of the things that the study suggests is that there are many opportunities for qualified minorities at top programs so the cream of the crop go to Harvard, JHU, etc. while more mediocre applicants end up at historically black med schools. I have no idea if this is true, but I do know two very intelligent and successful black students who went to JHU. They loved the program and appeared to get incredible support from faculty and administrators.

I also have noticed that Loyola, the school I will be attending, seems to be very open-minded even though it is a Jesuit institution. That said, I did not see as many URMs there as I did other schools.

The point is that there is no magic bullet or black or white as to which school will give you the atmosphere and the support that you are looking for. You have to research each school individually to find out where you will get your needs met.

Good luck.

 

[Gleevec]

Listen a$$wipe, I have a DEGREEE in Eastern philosophy and it's a dam shame you're too much of a jerk to fully grasp what that means.

Eastern philosophy is not Eastern culture (though the former is part of the latter).

You realize that you've disqualified yourself as even remotely knowledgeable about Asians by saying we sold out by not speaking our native language to our grandparents. I mean, there are errors, and then there are egregious fundamental mistakes, and that qualifies as the latter.

 

[pathdr2b]

You realize that you've disqualified yourself as even remotely knowledgeable about Asians by saying we sold out by not speaking our native language to our grandparents..

To people like you, I was "disqualified" from ANYTHING when you learned I was black. So what else is new?

 

[Newquagmire]

Eastern philosophy is not Eastern culture (though the former is part of the latter).

Nor, in my mind, does sitting in a classroom even remotely resemble first-hand knowledge or familiarity of something.

No actually, it was a mid 20's MCAT with an MD/PhD acceptence. And I learned just today (off the record of course) that this same school plans to give me another shot at it with a FULL NIH scholarship! 😛

If you don't mind saying, I'm actually rather interested to know where you'll be continuing your studies next year. Congratulations, wherever it is.

 

[Gleevec]

To people like you, I was "disqualified" from ANYTHING when you learned I was black. So what else is new?

You've really crossed the line on that one, and Im debating on how best to respond to what I consider the most offensive post Ive had directed at me...

YOU are the one that said Asians sold out by assimilating into mainstream culture.

YOU are the one that said Asians dont speak their native language.

YOU are the one that said Asians dont wear their native clothing or eat their native food or listen to their native music.

Yet you dare call ME the racist here after you said all of this ignorant nonsense? Give me a break, you're disgusting. As soon as you've lost an argument based on an EGREGIOUS FACTUAL ERROR you immediately resort to your race as a crutch. That's not going to work. What are you going to do when you fight with a healthcare professional on a diagnosis and end up being wrong? Are you going to rely on race then?

Give me a break. You were wrong factually. And you dont know anything about Asians yet you claim to. Face it, you're the biggest racist on this thread, and your ignorance is worthy of the "Natzis" you mention (though the target is different).

You seriously are the most disgusting person I have ever encountered online pathdr2b, and Im not quite sure what your problem is, but you are an embarassment to all minorities everywhere.

The fact is, you were factually incorrect, and then you accuse those who showed your inaccuracies as being racist. That is by far the most pathetic thing to do. Its not enough that you were being racist based on incorrect information, but that once proven wrong, you try to use the accusation racism as a crutch for your mistake. Pathetic.

People like you are an embarassment to minorities everywhere pathdr2b, and I can only hope that one day you emerge from your racist ignorance and delusional reality where you have to lie about your achievements on an anonymous online messageboard.

 

[Premedtomed]

Party on my fellow Asian Americans 😀

😀 😀

 

[wends]

pathdr2b, i must agree that you are wrong about asian americans losing their culture. we speak our native languages and know our culture. to immigrate to america, one must adopt aspects of the american culture to survive, ie getting jobs, going to school. just because we dont bust out the hindi at school doesnt mean that we are ashamed of where we come from.

i dont agree that african americans are not still not apart of american culture, i see black culture permeating every aspect of america, from music to business. when you think corporate executives, p. diddy comes to mind, as well as master p, russell simmons, etc.

 

[medic170]

when you think corporate executives, p. diddy comes to mind, as well as master p, russell simmons, etc.

LMAO

Now those are some great role models for African American culture. 😕

 

[Diani]

PROUD decendant of people from Ghana. What about you?

I'm South African. Are you really Ghanain? I'm quite suprised to hear that. Your comments just didn't strike me as coming from someone who'd lived in Africa...or even someone whose parents lived there. My apologies then.

I wrote that post before I'd read a lot of your other posts in other forums and the funny thing is I really like you in other forums. You're actually a really nice supportive, level-headed person. You seem like a different person here. I agree with most of your views but I just disagree with the comments you are making about Asians. Such comments only make things worse. I think more tolerance is in order all around.

 

[bubbajones]

yall need to calm down

 

[Premedtomed]

Did you know that Hispanic population is larger than African population??
Asian population is increasingly rapidly.

This means that today's America is way different from the past. Let's learn to respect each other and enjoy.

It is a big social issue and has nothing to do with ethnicity. If ppl. are very concerned abt. ppl. leaving their culture behind, then realize culture is for you too enjoy and not vice versa. Although it would definitely hurt to see ppl. leaving behind their culture, it is cool with me as long as they aren't disrespectful.

 

[pathdr2b]

pathdr2b, i must agree that you are wrong about asian americans losing their culture. we speak our native languages and know our culture. to immigrate to america, one must adopt aspects of the american culture to survive, ie getting jobs, going to school. just because we dont bust out the hindi at school doesnt mean that we are ashamed of where we come from.

i dont agree that african americans are not still not apart of american culture, i see black culture permeating every aspect of america, from music to business. when you think corporate executives, p. diddy comes to mind, as well as master p, russell simmons, etc.

Please show me the quote where I say ALL Asians especially Indians whom I know from PERSONAL EXPEREIENCE do carry on their culture in a much greater extent than other Asians. And thanks for referencing those great Black role models. I'm quite surpised I didn't see OJ on that list too.

 

[pathdr2b]

I'm South African. Are you really Ghanain? I'm quite suprised to hear that. Your comments just didn't strike me as coming from someone who'd lived in Africa...or even someone whose parents lived there. My apologies then.

I wrote that post before I'd read a lot of your other posts in other forums and the funny thing is I really like you in other forums. You're actually a really nice supportive, level-headed person. You seem like a different person here. I agree with most of your views but I just disagree with the comments you are making about Asians. Such comments only make things worse. I think more tolerance is in order all around.

Neither I nor my parents have lived in Africa but why does that fact make us more or less brothers and sisters? Truly, there's NOTHING to apologize for because all you know are some words on a computer screen and thankfully I neither come here to be liked or loved. What I do come here for and I've been VERY VERY vocal about this, is promoting the cause of underepresented people of color matriculating into medical school. As I've said before, I make NO apologies for this attitude.

 

[Heal&Teach]

Damn... this thread is like the energizer bunny... it just keeps going and going...

 

[Newquagmire]

promoting the cause of underepresented people of color matriculating into medical school. As I've said before, I make NO apologies for this attitude.

and you shouldn't.

but realize that white is a color too. a simple skin tone means nothing when it comes down to who somebody is, what they are about, and what background they have come from.

btw: you never answered my question about where you will be matriculating. i'm interested in contacting the APAs i know at that school to show you more of "our" culture.

to gleevec: i am a strong believer in picking one's fights and being able to win them. the great thing about the internet is that anybody will be able to read everything that was posted here. they can judge for themselves if what has been said is accurate and just...

 

[OSU ACTON]

About asians losing their culture.... I don't think that is true. In Ohio there are tons of kids who attend Chinese or Japanese school on saturdays to learn abou their culture and have formal training in their native language.

There is also a new program in Columbus for black students to attend an Afro-centric school. It has gotten great reviews. I think it is great for all people to learn about where they came from, the history, the culture, and the traditions of their native culture.

White people should learn about their ancestry too. I'm Irish, and I know I would really like to learn more about Ireland. Cerb you seemed to be mocking the idea of being French and German. Why not have some pride in your heritage? It is not a crime to be proud of who you are, where you came from, and where you're going. You can be an American without abandoning your roots. Plenty of immigrants adopt American culture but still retain elements of their native culture, this doesn't make them less American.

 

[Cerbernator]

White people should learn about their ancestry too. I'm Irish, and I know I would really like to learn more about Ireland. Cerb you seemed to be mocking the idea of being French and German. Why not have some pride in your heritage? It is not a crime to be proud of who you are, where you came from, and where you're going. You can be an American without abandoning your roots. Plenty of immigrants adopt American culture but still retain elements of their native culture, this doesn't make them less American.

I am not mocking being French and German, I am NOT french or german. I am an American. I share nothing with the French or German besides maybe a taste for beer, cheese, and bread. If we go back far enough we all decended from the same area should we all get in touch with our HomoErectus roots? Why should path claim pride in her Ghana roots, chances are no one from her family has lived there in hundreds of years? Why? Because she doesnt feel/want to be part of American culture.

 

[Fermata]

I am not mocking being French and German, I am NOT french or german. I am an American. I share nothing with the French or German besides maybe a taste for beer, cheese, and bread. If we go back far enough we all decended from the same area should we all get in touch with our HomoErectus roots? Why should path claim pride in her Ghana roots, chances are no one from her family has lived there in hundreds of years? Why? Because she doesnt feel/want to be part of American culture.

As unpopular as his opinion is, I agree to a large extent.

We are AMERICANS. There is no shame in that.

All these Asian, African, etc. prefixes need to be dropped. They only help divide us.

 

[patzan]

As unpopular as his opinion is, I agree to a large extent.

We are AMERICANS. There is no shame in that.

All these Asian, African, etc. prefixes need to be dropped. They only help divide us.

I'm Swiss-American and demand to be called such.

Do people here also realize that "Indians" is also discriminatory/racially charged? I don't know any "Indians" who prefer to be referred to as such. Native-American - there's one hyphenated term I believe in.

I agree with Fermata.

 

[Amicus]

I think the most insane thing ive read on this thread is

"The goal of medical schools is NOT to train competent doctors"

It sounds like a premise for an episode of the Twilight Zone.

 

[pathdr2b]

I think the most insane thing ive read on this thread is

"The goal of medical schools is NOT to train competent doctors"

It sounds like a premise for an episode of the Twilight Zone.

Where's the rest of the quote?? 😕 You must be a republician!!! I'll post it for you since you people enjoy taking things out of context so much 😉

I have to disagree with the goal of medical school. It is NOT to educate competent physicians, it is to educate competent physicians from ALL BACKGROUNDS so they can meet the medical needs of people from ALL BACKGROUNDS!!!

I accidentaly left out the word competent in that second sentence! 🙄

 

[Premedtomed]

I'm Swiss-American and demand to be called such.

Do people here also realize that "Indians" is also discriminatory/racially charged? I don't know any "Indians" who prefer to be referred to as such. Native-American - there's one hyphenated term I believe in.

I agree with Fermata.

I am an Indian, first. gen American, and there is nothing discriminatory about it! (I am proud of being an Indian American) It will take about 30 or more years before Indians get completely assimilated in terms of being an imp. voice in politics and "hopefully" entering other arenas like sports, music and what not.

Also, dude quite a lot of second geners don't want lose touch with their culture. It gives them a sense of identity. Indian is a great term- we're among the richest minorities in the country- this is good for first and second gen. ppl. who as a group are still new. Like I said earlier, it will take about 30 more years. In the meantime, enjoy 😀

 

[learss]

I am not mocking being French and German, I am NOT french or german. I am an American. I share nothing with the French or German besides maybe a taste for beer, cheese, and bread. If we go back far enough we all decended from the same area should we all get in touch with our HomoErectus roots? Why should path claim pride in her Ghana roots, chances are no one from her family has lived there in hundreds of years? Why? Because she doesnt feel/want to be part of American culture.

Because she is proud of her Ghanian roots. How do you know that her parents aren't originally from Ghana? Appreciating part of your ethnic culture does not mean you are rejecting American culture. Besides what is American culture? Please explain that to me.

 

[Heal&Teach]

Do people here also realize that "Indians" is also discriminatory/racially charged? I don't know any "Indians" who prefer to be referred to as such. Native-American - there's one hyphenated term I believe in.

Hi patzan,

I hear what you're saying. I've worked with and have several very good Native friends, and it's not un-PC anymore to refer to them as Indians, especially when they refer to themselves as such. Believe me, I asked because I wanted to make the distinction between Southeast Asian and the native peoples of the Americas. I think that people here are referring to Southeast Asian Indian. It's not that deep. 🙂

And I agree with Ferm to a certain extent. What makes us individual is our cultural heritage, and I think that we're better able to appreciate it if we acknowledge its face. Even if we decide to do away with the hyphenated-American name, we've been socialized to assume a person's their ethnic background, so it probably wouldn't do too much good anyway.
H&T

 

[lotanna]

Wow!

 

[OSU ACTON]

Back to the OP... I think that you might find some help in talking to some 2yr or 3yr med students. There will always be schools that will recruit minorities to boost their numbers but not neccessarily support them after they matriculate. If you want a school that offers a supportive environment to the minority student you might want to ask some students in the Allo threads what schools they would reccomend. Researching schools based soley on their percentage of URM matriculants may be misleading. Too bad they don't post a figure for the URMs who are satisfied with their chioce, or something along those lines. Hope that helps a little bit.

By the way I still think that you can be proud of your heritage and still be a proud American. They are not mutually exclusive.

 

[Friday]

I'm South African.

Thats interesting coz neither Diani nor Malindi are in Southern Africa. Also, just so you know, many Americans of African descent count on countries in Western African as their origins, and most look to Ghana for that...

 

[Chemguync]

Where's the rest of the quote?? 😕 You must be a republician!!! I'll post it for you since you people enjoy taking things out of context so much 😉



you use "you people" a lot. are you referring to non-black people?

 

[pathdr2b]

you use "you people" a lot. are you referring to non-black people?

I guess I'm confused. 😕 Since there ARE black republicians ie Dr. Rice, JC Watts, then I imagine I'm not just talking about non-black people. Unless of course you think these notable republicians aren't black. But then again, there hasn't been a REAL black republician since Lincoln freed the slaves.

Funny how YOU PEOPLE only associate republicians with whites 🙄
You know if it wasn't for SDN, I'd have NOTHING to counterbalance seeing people dying of cancer everyday.

Thanks I REALLY needed this laugh!

 

[Premedtomed]

Wow this thread just keeps going and going.

I must say racism in the US has really made lives pretty rough for some minorities.

 

[Chemguync]

I guess I'm confused. 😕 Since there ARE black republicians ie Dr. Rice, JC Watts, then I imagine I'm not just talking about non-black people. Unless of course you think these notable republicians aren't black. But then again, there hasn't been a REAL black republician since Lincoln freed the slaves.

Funny how YOU PEOPLE only associate republicians with whites 🙄
You know if it wasn't for SDN, I'd have NOTHING to counterbalance seeing people dying of cancer everyday.

Thanks I REALLY needed this laugh!

I wasn't really referring to politics. Just asking about how come you say "you people" so often to describe non-black people. Kinda comes off a little <eek> prejudice. Of course, that can't be, because only white people (or snobby fat-cat asians) can be racist.

 

[Diani]

Thats interesting coz neither Diani nor Malindi are in Southern Africa. Also, just so you know, many Americans of African descent count on countries in Western African as their origins, and most look to Ghana for that...

Yup I know. They are both on the Kenyan Coast. Diani is a beach at "South coast"....spent very many holidays there and in Malindi too. I grew up in Kenya. Didn't pick the names because they are South African. Definately knew that majority of African Americans were historically from West Africa ---ghana, Senegal, Guinea etc. Only brought it up because Path2B said she was Ghanaian. Assumed she actually was from there not that ancestors were brought from there.