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This is new to me.... homeopath is a continuation after DO / MD degree...

http://www.azcapitoltimes.com/main.asp?SectionID=2&SubSectionID=2&ArticleID=2647

Medical Board says it’s going through ‘rebuilding’ process

By Phil Riske


Complaints against homeopaths, physicians licensed and regulated by their own examining board, can also be investigated by two other state agencies, which has caused jurisdictional disagreements.

Homeopaths, whose practices are under the jurisdiction of the Arizona Board of Homeopathic Medical Examiners, hold dual licenses as allopathic physicians (MDs) or osteopathic physicians (DOs) and can come under scrutiny of the Arizona Medical Board or the Board of Osteopathic Examiners in Medicine and Surgery, depending on the nature of complaints, says Roger Downey, public information officer for the Medical Board.

“There could be an issue every single time with a dual-licensed physician,” said Mr. Downey, responding to an Oct. 9 article in The Arizona Republic that reported the Homeopathic Board over the past five years has licensed four physicians who have been convicted of felonies in other states and six others who have lost their licenses or been disciplined elsewhere.

Nearly all complaints against homeopaths (MDHs) are referred to their board by the Medical Board, says Chris Springer, executive director of the Homeopathic Board.

Over the past 20 years, the Medical Board and the Osteopathic Board have disciplined two homeopaths — one each — according to Arizona Capitol Times research.

Ms. Springer says questions of which board has jurisdiction have arisen in two DO cases, but it happens more frequently with the Medical Board.

“We have a couple of doctors who are repeat offenders,” she said.

Mr. Downey of the Medical Board says state law requires creation of an independent jurisdictional arbitration panel when there is a dispute between two examining boards.

“That has never been done, however, because the two boards have been able to work out an agreement on… concurrent investigations,” he said.

Chelation therapy

Jack Confer, executive director of the Osteopathic Board, says there is one open DO case where jurisdiction is in question, and chelation therapy is often at the center of complaints against homeopaths.

Chelation, a common homeopathic practice, is an intravenous therapy designed to cleanse the blood of various toxins, which are diagnosed with blood, urine and hair tests. The diagnostic procedures, or lack of them, are considered allopathic, Ms. Springer said.

Homeopathy was developed by a German physician, Samuel Hahnemann, (1755-1843) and refined and popularized by an American physician, James Tyler Kent. It is based on the theory that each naturally occurring element, plant, and mineral compound will, when ingested or applied, result in certain symptoms. Dr. Hahnemann believed that, diluted amounts of these substances could then be used to treat symptoms they were known to produce.

Arizona law requires homeopaths to have at least 300 hours of additional training after their MD or DO education, with at least 40 hours in “classical homeopathy,” Ms. Springer said.

Mr. Downey was asked if complaints regarding homeopathic care are investigated solely by the Homeopathic Board.

“No, not necessarily,” he said. “Under this administration, we do a preliminary review to determine whether a complaint against a doctor with a dual license involves allopathic medicine… He or she must make a right diagnosis regardless of treatment modality… and must recognize when the treatment is failing.

“Once you are an allopathic physician, you have an allopathic duty to meet — one that doesn’t go away even if you see patients as a homeopath,” he said.

Mr. Downey said the Medical Board also might take a look at “informed consent” when an MD changes a patient’s treatment from one homeopathic method to another. Under standards for all physicians, when a doctor determines that a treatment is failing, he or she must do one of three things: recheck the diagnosis; change the treatment method, or refer to another physician.

Mr. Downey says an MD who only practices homeopathy may come to Arizona from another state and set up practice without a license from the Medical Board.

“He may only practice homeopathic medicine,” Mr. Downey said. “But again, should there be a complaint lodged against the doctor, the Arizona Medical Board would do a review to determine whether there were allopathic issues.”

The Medical Board would not know which of its licensed MDs practice only homeopathic medicine, Mr. Downey said.

The Medical and Osteopathic boards, however, would be notified when an MD’s or DO’s homeopathic license is revoked, but that does not mean the other medical licenses would be revoked.

“We would have to do an independent investigation…” Mr. Downey said. “There is no automatic revocation in the statutes.”

Ms. Springer of the Homeopathic Board said a homeopath who loses his or her MD or DO license does not automatically forfeit the homeopathic license. “But if there’s a hint of scandal, they will not receive a homeopathic license.”

The Medical Board this year reprimanded homeopathic physician Mary C. Michelis, M.D., for failing to disclose on her license renewal application that she was under investigation by the California Medical Board. Her homeopathic license expired last year.

The Osteopathic Board in 1987 suspended the DO license of Lloyd D. Arnold for instructing unlicensed office personnel to administer intravenous medications in his absence. The license was reinstated in 2002, and Dr. Arnold has a homeopathic practice in Glendale.

The Homeopathic Board revoked the licenses of Drs. Harvey Bigelson and Abram Ber, and the Medical Board Web site shows they have not held active licenses since 1984 and 1982, respectively.

Last November, Jeffrey Rutgard, who served five years in a California prison after being convicted of bilking Medicare, received a license from the Homeopathic Board, but is listed as on probation with that board. His license with the Medical Board was revoked.

Two San Diego physicians convicted on tax charges, Drs. Rick Shacket and Robert Rowen, hold active licenses with the Homeopathic Board, but Dr. Rowen’s license with the Medical Board is inactive. The Medical Board had no information on Dr. Shacket.

Convicted earlier this year on multiple securities fraud felonies, a physician whose Arizona homeopathic license has expired is a practicing osteopath in Mesa.

The Medical Board has no record of Dr. Charles Crosby, who is licensed by the Homeopathic Board, but has until next month to undergo a mental evaluation to prove his competency.

Homeopathic board members themselves have been the subject of investigations, The Republic reported.

Dr. Gary Gordon was accused in 2001 of sexual harassment by a female patient, but the board voted not to act on the complaint. Neither the Medical Board nor the Osteopathic Board had any records on Dr. Gordon.

The case of homeopath Annemarie Welch in 2003 brought about a jurisdictional argument between the Homeopathic and Medical boards. She was the subject of a complaint from a woman who suffered kidney failure after the doctor treated her infected blister with “vitamin C therapy.

The Homeopathic Board took control of the case and dismissed the complaint. The Medical Board also conducted an investigation and found no wrongdoing.

The Homeopathic Board lists 115 practicing homeopaths in Arizona, 75 of who also practice allopathic medicine. Ms. Springer says the board handles 15-20 complaints per year.

She said her office has not received one call from the public about The Republic investigation of the board, which included criticism from a former public member.

“There have been doctors that they’ve licensed that I wouldn’t send my worst enemy to,” former board member Anna Prosser told the newspaper.

Said Ms. Springer, “We’re scrutinizing our procedures regarding where the public members are coming from.” She said her personal opinion is that the board would not object to having another member from the public.

Lawmaker calls for special audit

Sen. Carolyn Allen, R-8, chairman of the Senate Health Committee, has called for a special audit of the Homeopathic Board, which has revoked only two licenses in its 23-year history, The Republic reported.

The Osteopathic Board has had its problems since state audits several years ago showed various financial problems and slowness in completing investigations. Mr. Confer, the board’s executive director, said the Legislature cut back the board’s funding, and it now operates with five employees, down from eight.

“We’re still recovering from it,” he said.

The Osteopathic Board lists 1,700 active licenses and had 225 open cases as of Oct. 13.

The Medical Board, which has come under recent criticism for its backlog of cases and high staff turnover, oversees licenses of 17,500 physicians, around 10,000 of who practice in Arizona. As of Sept. 19, the board was investigating 266 complaints.

On Oct. 12, the board issued a news release that it had resolved 72 cases on this month’s agenda and responded to an Arizona Capitol Times article in which fired employees complained about the board’s management and lack of experienced medical consultants.

“Rebuilding processes are never smooth,” board chairman Dr. Robert Goldfarb said. “They’re never easy… There are bumps along the way.”

Board member Dr. Ram Krishna said, “We have very, very competent medical consultants now.” —

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it's news to me, too. in oregon, i think all our homeopaths (or most anyway) attended naturopathic school, not an allopathic or osteopathic medical school. i guess it's different in states where naturopaths aren't licensed.
 
I had no idea that homeopaths still existed....and the insinuation that they apparently complete a MD/DO education 1st....something seems really fishy here...thats like saying you need to go to real medical school 1st to eventually become an accupuncturist....just seems really wierd.....
 
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From the website: "Licensing by the Homeopathic Board is independent of licensure by allopathic or osteopathic boards. The scope of a homeopathic license includes the practice of acupuncture, chelation, homeopathy, minor surgery, neuromuscular integration, nutrition, orthomolecular therapy and pharmaceutical medicine"

Minor surgery? Whatever.

I think by "dual license" they might be referring to individuals who finished medical school and then obtained a homeopath license, hence "MDHs" and the more hilarious "DOH"s hahahahaha
 
beastmaster said:
From the website: "Licensing by the Homeopathic Board is independent of licensure by allopathic or osteopathic boards. The scope of a homeopathic license includes the practice of acupuncture, chelation, homeopathy, minor surgery, neuromuscular integration, nutrition, orthomolecular therapy and pharmaceutical medicine"

Minor surgery? Whatever.

I think by "dual license" they might be referring to individuals who finished medical school and then obtained a homeopath license, hence "MDHs" and the more hilarious "DOH"s hahahahaha
From what I found for Arizona - it is required that the applicant for a homeopathic license hold a DO or MD degree. I'm sure it varies from state to state.
 
In Canada, anyone can be a homeopath. And I know a lady in Indiana that is a homeopath, and she isn't a DO nor an MD.
 
MaloCCOM said:
In Canada, anyone can be a homeopath. And I know a lady in Indiana that is a homeopath, and she isn't a DO nor an MD.

Personally, I'd rather place myself in the hands of a veterinarian than a homeopath, naturopath, witch doctor, shaman, voodoo priestess, or faith healer.
 
Agreed, most vets I know are pretty competent people.
 
there are some vets I'd definetly trust... People are animals too!
 
For those of you who use Epocrates on your Pocket PC (while on rotations or otherwise), this article is old news to you.

however: LINK TO MEDPAGE TODAY

Here is the source for Medpage: SOURCE
 
If I recall my history correctly from OMM lecture Dr. Still did not approve or endorse homeopathic medicine at all. Food for thought.

Nik
 
Wasn't Ms. Cleo a homeopath, oh wait she was a palm reader. :laugh:

BTW to the above poster I don't know if you heard Dr. Still died.
 
Wasn't Ms. Cleo a homeopath, oh wait she was a palm reader. :laugh:

BTW to the above poster I don't know if you heard Dr. Still died.
 
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Old_Mil said:
Personally, I'd rather place myself in the hands of a veterinarian than a homeopath, naturopath, witch doctor, shaman, voodoo priestess, or faith healer.

maybe this is because i live in oregon or something, but i'd see a licensed naturopath. i probably wouldn't rely on one for everything, but i'd consider seeing one if i had a condition that wasn't well-managed with traditional medical care. for example, i have eczema -- it's minor, but it sucks, and the normal medical treatment for it is steroids, which thin your skin, so they're not ideal. i'm lazy about it now, but if it gets really bad, i might just go see a naturopath to see what they suggest. i know homeopathy is bunk, but naturopaths do more than homeopathy. anecdotally (yes, i know, not scientific), i know people who have good experiences with naturopaths for things like allergies, pcos, fatigue, add, etc.

if i wind up practicing in a state with licensed naturopaths, it's likely i'll have some professional interactions with them and that some of my patients might also visit naturopaths. hell, even kaiser has licensed naturopaths on staff. if you have a lot of hostility towards naturopaths, it's probably best to avoid areas where naturopaths are well-established and respected.
 
Doc 2b said:
BTW to the above poster I don't know if you heard Dr. Still died.

Wow I did not know, you even posted twice to remind all of us
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Taus said:
I had no idea that homeopaths still existed....and the insinuation that they apparently complete a MD/DO education 1st....something seems really fishy here...thats like saying you need to go to real medical school 1st to eventually become an accupuncturist....just seems really wierd.....


Seem like no one know the history of homeopathic medicine!? Homeopathic medicine was strong in the US in the early 1900's. With way over 20 medical schools in homeopathic medicine and tons of homeopathic hospitals. You would go through medical school to become a homeopathic physician. There was several thousand homeopathic physician around that time. It was not until the AMA came in and started "banning" the use of homeopathic medicine when the studies of this medicine declined! The American Homeopathic Association was started even before the American Medical Association was in place. The AMA would revoke the license of md if they practice or even consulted with a homeopathic physician! So why do you think there was such a decline in this field!!! A lot of people defame homeopathy and they are still doing so...i.e. the Lancet! But homeopathy is strong. There is still so many people that use it and its a billion dollar industry here in the US!

Homeopathy has progress so much in India just cause there is so much acceptance there. If the US was in that mind frame it would have continued here and who knows where it would have been now! Do some history on it before bashing it. There was several plagues here in the states and guess what saved hundreds of people...not allopathic medicine!

An acupuncturist is different from a homeopath. A homeopath has always in the past attended medical schools. I think if you want to be a homeopath you should attend medical school. Yes there are a lot of people who are homeopaths and are not medical doctors. There are several organization that certify them but they have to have x amount of training and know specific subjects. The AHA does not certify anyone who is not a medical doctor (MD or DO)

Also do yall know the history of Drexal University - College of medicine??? I guess not! Drexal Univ was Homeopathic College of Pennsylvania in 1848 in 1982 it was Hahnemann Univ which later joined Allegheny Univ of the Health Sciences which later on was changed to Drexal Univ.

With that said...just research more before making stupid remarks...just cause you haven't heard about it doesn't mean it doesn't exist!


"The trouble with most people is not that they don't know much, but they know so much that isn't true." - Will Rogers
 
alt2006 said:
Seem like no one know the history of homeopathic medicine!? Homeopathic medicine was strong in the US in the early 1900's. With way over 20 medical schools in homeopathic medicine and tons of homeopathic hospitals. You would go through medical school to become a homeopathic physician. There was several thousand homeopathic physician around that time. It was not until the AMA came in and started "banning" the use of homeopathic medicine when the studies of this medicine declined! The American Homeopathic Association was started even before the American Medical Association was in place. The AMA would revoke the license of md if they practice or even consulted with a homeopathic physician! So why do you think there was such a decline in this field!!! A lot of people defame homeopathy and they are still doing so...i.e. the Lancet! But homeopathy is strong. There is still so many people that use it and its a billion dollar industry here in the US!

Homeopathy has progress so much in India just cause there is so much acceptance there. If the US was in that mind frame it would have continued here and who knows where it would have been now! Do some history on it before bashing it. There was several plagues here in the states and guess what saved hundreds of people...not allopathic medicine!

An acupuncturist is different from a homeopath. A homeopath has always in the past attended medical schools. I think if you want to be a homeopath you should attend medical school. Yes there are a lot of people who are homeopaths and are not medical doctors. There are several organization that certify them but they have to have x amount of training and know specific subjects. The AHA does not certify anyone who is not a medical doctor (MD or DO)

Also do yall know the history of Drexal University - College of medicine??? I guess not! Drexal Univ was Homeopathic College of Pennsylvania in 1848 in 1982 it was Hahnemann Univ which later joined Allegheny Univ of the Health Sciences which later on was changed to Drexal Univ.

With that said...just research more before making stupid remarks...just cause you haven't heard about it doesn't mean it doesn't exist!


"The trouble with most people is not that they don't know much, but they know so much that isn't true." - Will Rogers
Thanks for the history! I agree that we should not make insulting remarks when not enough is known about a field. It's really equivalent to the guy next door saying to you " oh, so you're going to be a chiropractor?"... let's not be that person.
 
There is an ND school in phoenix. I've often seen them studying at coffee shops and the like around town. None of those people have an MD/DO degree. If they do, then their questions about general physiology and biochemistry are SCARY!

:luck:
 
It seems like a lot of homeopaths I have seen get in trouble have been people with Ph.D's or DC degrees. No matter who does it, it still bogus in my opinion.

Here is a great website for stuff like this
http://www.quackwatch.org
Just my two cents 👍
 
irish79 said:
There is an ND school in phoenix. I've often seen them studying at coffee shops and the like around town. None of those people have an MD/DO degree. If they do, then their questions about general physiology and biochemistry are SCARY!

:luck:


There are several ND schools in the US. A couple of state license them as medical doctors (i.e. ND = Doctor of Naturopathic Medicine). Correct me if Im wrong but I have even heard they can rx in some states? Arizona being the most liberal about this. Now back to your post. Why do you say their questions about gen phys. and biochem are scary?

Also just to make this clear...an ND is not a homeopath! They study homeopathic medicine and can persue it if they like but they are not homeopaths. An ND study different kinds of alternative medicine. They can choose which ones they would like to practice more if they like.
 
Homeopathy is BUNK!
Something gulible people believe in.

According to Webster's Dictionary, homeopathy is:
(A) system of medical practice that treats a disease esp. by the administration of minute doses of a remedy that would in healthy persons produce symptoms similar to those of the disease. :laugh:
 
alt2006 said:
There are several ND schools in the US. A couple of state license them as medical doctors (i.e. ND = Doctor of Naturopathic Medicine). Correct me if Im wrong but I have even heard they can rx in some states? Arizona being the most liberal about this. Now back to your post. Why do you say their questions about gen phys. and biochem are scary?

Also just to make this clear...an ND is not a homeopath! They study homeopathic medicine and can persue it if they like but they are not homeopaths. An ND study different kinds of alternative medicine. They can choose which ones they would like to practice more if they like.

ND's may be able to prescribed meds in some states, but so can PhD psychologists.

They can't perform surgery, thus they are not physicians.
 
OSUdoc08 said:
ND's may be able to prescribed meds in some states, but so can PhD psychologists.

They can't perform surgery, thus they are not physicians.

NDs to my knowledge can perform certain minor surgeries. So to answer your question yes they can...no they can't peform an open heart surgery cause thats not in the scope of practice.

Also to the ones who said homeopathic medicine doesn't work...why do you say that? Have you tried it for yourself? If you haven't then don't be talking about it....if you have and it didn't work I suggest you change practitioner! If your treating yourself...guess what your NOT a homeopath!

If it wasn't "real" then explain why in india there are so many homeopathic medical schools, so many homeopathic hospitals. In England they have several homeopathic hospitals. The royal family is cared for by a homeopath. In france you can find homeopathic medicine in almost every pharmacy you go into. That goes for most of the western european coutries. Why is it that in france, germany and england the health insurance pays for these service....why??? if you say it doesn't work then why do insurance pay for them. Here in the states some insurance policies will also pay for certain alternative medicine if referred by a medical doctor! Also your stupid remark about people who use homeopathic medicine are gulible...well we sure are a hell of a lot of gulible people in the world!!!

My point if you haven't used it or seen it being used...please don't give your opinions about not working cause how the hell do you know! I have seen so many cases myself.
I also practice it myself! I can tell you this...I have a relative that has hp and was taking medication for several years now. She has been on homeopathic medicine for 4 months and her hp is normal!! Where as before she could not stop her medicine cause he hp would rise! So why is her hp all of a sudden normalized???
 
alt2006 said:
There are several ND schools in the US. A couple of state license them as medical doctors (i.e. ND = Doctor of Naturopathic Medicine). Correct me if Im wrong but I have even heard they can rx in some states? Arizona being the most liberal about this. Now back to your post. Why do you say their questions about gen phys. and biochem are scary?

Also just to make this clear...an ND is not a homeopath! They study homeopathic medicine and can persue it if they like but they are not homeopaths. An ND study different kinds of alternative medicine. They can choose which ones they would like to practice more if they like.

Why were their questions scary? Well, if these people were indeed licensed physicians, then asking ME (a 2nd year at the time) questions about simple physiology and biochemistry is, well, scary. These people should have had this knowledge already. You don't find this act of "licensed physicians" to be somewhat suspect?

As for ND prescribing medicine...is that true? The state of AZ seems somewhat anti-DO to me, so I can't imagine them allowing an ND to prescribe. Come to think of it, the class below me has a guy who is an ND in it--and I believe he came to medical school so he could practice the full gamut of medicine (including prescribing rights)!


Just my thoughts! :luck:
 
irish79 said:
Why were their questions scary? Well, if these people were indeed licensed physicians, then asking ME (a 2nd year at the time) questions about simple physiology and biochemistry is, well, scary. These people should have had this knowledge already. You don't find this act of "licensed physicians" to be somewhat suspect?

As for ND prescribing medicine...is that true? The state of AZ seems somewhat anti-DO to me, so I can't imagine them allowing an ND to prescribe. Come to think of it, the class below me has a guy who is an ND in it--and I believe he came to medical school so he could practice the full gamut of medicine (including prescribing rights)!


Just my thoughts! :luck:

Why is it scary that students, not licensed naturopathic physicians, but students don't yet have a comlete grasp on things like biochemistry. These people could very well be first year students, and I'm going to be pretty clueless about that stuff as a first year medical student. To be a licensed naturopath, you don't need an MD or DO. You just have to have a college degree and have taken most of the same prereqs as we took.

The homeopathic licensing thing seems weird, and I don't quite get how that works. For example, why can't a licensed ND be a licensed homoepath when a licensed MD and DO can? Arguably, it would make more sense for the ND to get the homoepathy license since homeopathy is a part of their curriculum. Of course, maybe they don't need the special homoepathy license because homeopathy is already within their scope of practice as an ND.

As Alt pointed out, ND's do perform minor surgery and are trained to function much in the same way as a family practice physician. Licensing of ND's is an excellent thing for a state to do, imo, because it provides standards. If you see a naturopath in Oregon, you know she attended a four year post gradute school and completed a one year residency. In Arkansas, a graduate of an online college that requires three months of study to get a degree can claim to be a naturopath. Only allowing licensed homeopaths to practice homeopathy is probably also a good thing for the same reason. Do a search for online homeopathy and naturopathy programs, and you'll see how scary it is when it's unregulated.
 
Have you tried it for yourself? If you haven't then don't be talking about it....if you have and it didn't work I suggest you change practitioner! If your treating yourself...guess what your NOT a homeopath!

Brilliant Logic! Hey that works with Magic too!
Have you tried magic for yourself? If you haven't then don't be talking about it....if you have and it didn't work I suggest you change witch/practitioner! If your treating yourself...guess what your NOT a witch! :meanie: :laugh:

Perhaps another reason is that the FDA has never recognized any homeopathic remedy as safe and effecative for any medical purpose!

There is an old term for people that believe in fly by night cures like homopathy.....Gulible fools !
 
alt2006 said:
NDs to my knowledge can perform certain minor surgeries. So to answer your question yes they can...no they can't peform an open heart surgery cause thats not in the scope of practice.

Also to the ones who said homeopathic medicine doesn't work...why do you say that? Have you tried it for yourself? If you haven't then don't be talking about it....if you have and it didn't work I suggest you change practitioner! If your treating yourself...guess what your NOT a homeopath!

If it wasn't "real" then explain why in india there are so many homeopathic medical schools, so many homeopathic hospitals. In England they have several homeopathic hospitals. The royal family is cared for by a homeopath. In france you can find homeopathic medicine in almost every pharmacy you go into. That goes for most of the western european coutries. Why is it that in france, germany and england the health insurance pays for these service....why??? if you say it doesn't work then why do insurance pay for them. Here in the states some insurance policies will also pay for certain alternative medicine if referred by a medical doctor! Also your stupid remark about people who use homeopathic medicine are gulible...well we sure are a hell of a lot of gulible people in the world!!!

My point if you haven't used it or seen it being used...please don't give your opinions about not working cause how the hell do you know! I have seen so many cases myself.
I also practice it myself! I can tell you this...I have a relative that has hp and was taking medication for several years now. She has been on homeopathic medicine for 4 months and her hp is normal!! Where as before she could not stop her medicine cause he hp would rise! So why is her hp all of a sudden normalized???

So? NP's & PA's can perform minor surgery too.

THey can't perform major surgery, thus they are not physicians.
 
irish79 said:
Why were their questions scary? Well, if these people were indeed licensed physicians, then asking ME (a 2nd year at the time) questions about simple physiology and biochemistry is, well, scary. These people should have had this knowledge already. You don't find this act of "licensed physicians" to be somewhat suspect?

As for ND prescribing medicine...is that true? The state of AZ seems somewhat anti-DO to me, so I can't imagine them allowing an ND to prescribe. Come to think of it, the class below me has a guy who is an ND in it--and I believe he came to medical school so he could practice the full gamut of medicine (including prescribing rights)!


Just my thoughts! :luck:

They have an excellent DO school there and are opening another one.
 
CircleTheDrain said:
Perhaps another reason is that the FDA has never recognized any homeopathic remedy as safe and effecative for any medical purpose!

FYI the FDA HAS recognized homeopathic medicine as otc medicine! They recognized it since the 1970's. Look it up!
 
OSUdoc08 said:
They have an excellent DO school there and are opening another one.

YES they do...and I attend it 🙂
 
alt2006 said:
FYI the FDA HAS recognized homeopathic medicine as otc medicine! They recognized it since the 1970's. Look it up!


The Food and Drug Administration regulates homeopathic remedies under provisions of the Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act.
FDA regulates homeopathic drugs in several significantly different ways from other drugs. Manufacturers of homeopathic drugs are deferred from submitting new drug applications to FDA. None have ever been recognized as a tested proven drug. Only products sold for so-called self-limiting conditions--colds, headaches, and other minor health problems that eventually go away on their own--can be sold without a prescription (over-the-counter). No well designed study has ever shown an effect that is better than placebo



Example
Oscillococcinum, a 200C product "for the relief of colds and flu-like symptoms," involves "dilutions" that are even more far-fetched. Its "active ingredient" is prepared by incubating small amounts of a freshly killed duck's liver and heart for 40 days. The is then filtered, freeze-dried, rehydrated, repeatedly diluted, and impregnated into sugar granules. If a single molecule of the duck's heart or liver were to survive the dilution, its concentration would be 1 part in a huge number having 400 zeroes.

In its February 17, 1997, issue, U.S. News & World Report noted that only one duck per year is needed to manufacture the product, which had total sales of $20 million in 1996. The magazine dubbed that unlucky bird "the $20-million duck."
 
CircleTheDrain said:
The Food and Drug Administration regulates homeopathic remedies under provisions of the Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act.
FDA regulates homeopathic drugs in several significantly different ways from other drugs. Manufacturers of homeopathic drugs are deferred from submitting new drug applications to FDA. None have ever been recognized as a tested proven drug. Only products sold for so-called self-limiting conditions--colds, headaches, and other minor health problems that eventually go away on their own--can be sold without a prescription (over-the-counter). No well designed study has ever shown an effect that is better than placebo
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Circlethedrain....yes and no. Yes on the FDA related comments. You mentioned that only products sold for so-called self-limiting eventually go away can be sold w/o a rx. No...like I mentioned on a previous post. I treat ex: bp. Which yes can go away if the person eats healthier, maybe lose a few pounds and exercise but do they? No! So they are on medication. So I in return give them homeopathic medicine that will balance their bp and of course tell them to get on a diet and exercise.

The FDA requires homeopathic medicine mfg. to print on the vial what the medicine is good for since they are otc. Although a homeopath usually pays little attention to what the mfg. write. Since one medicine can be used for several ailments. What’s written on the vial is mainly for FDA regulations only.

I have personally seen cases helped or cured for

hypertension
acne
warts
wounds
bruises
ulcers
thyroid
digestive problems
IBS
migraines
insomnia
incontinence
1st degree burns
asthma
tinnitus
sinusitis
and a lot of other ailments

I have read cases for a bunch of other types of conditions that were again helped or cured by homeopathic medicine

In regards to research being done. Homeopathic organizations don't have the money to perform them and there is not that much money that companies put into it. So the research is limited. There are several studies done which have proved the effectiveness of homeopathic medicine but the AMA doesn't want to recognize it. Why? Personally I don't think they want to recognize homeopathic medicine at all and they keep trying to give homeopathic medicine a bad image! Several studies have shown it at a level as contemporary medicines or above! You can't really say this is a placebo cause homeopathy is also give to animals? To my knowledge animals don't really respond to placebos! Nor do infants?

One other thing...if this is quackery...why does the FDA has a list of homeopathic medicine that can only be sold with a rx!? I though this is just sugar pills and water? What harm would it cause?
 
exlawgrrl said:
okay, duh. 🙂 are you sure they're not the super stupid md/dos?
Ha, ha, maybe...you never know! :luck:
 
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