homosexual....

[evilolive]

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Nothing is a Fact that cannot be proven irefutable. It seems that you are the one who is pissed off not me. (if this was directed towards me) I never stated that what I said is a "Fact" because each side is flawed. However, I stated what I "believe" just as you have. My arguement is not only based on conjecture, but I also have personal examples of people I know who were gay and are not anymore and your counter for this is to say that some people are "truly" gay. So what are the rules for someone being "truly" gay or just a pretender. I dont dislike people who are gay. People who know me that are gay (including classmates) do not get treated any better or worse than a heterosexual, because people are people. My personal convictions, beliefs, or whatever you want to call them are my own just as yours are. I have not attacked you, you have accused and attacked me. This was not even the point of my posting.

My post was to illustrate the fact that sexual preference, ok, "orietation" is not the same as racism simply because being "born" of a certain race is not controvesial. The color of ones skin is not, and cannot be "decided" and there is no argument if it can be. I dont agree with ANYONE being discriminated against, but people can live their life as a gay individual and "choose" not to tell the world, and not have to deal with possible discrimintation. So its not the same as racism.

I don't think that post was in reference to yours, it was mocking the ignorant post above it which seemed to contain a certain amount of unspecified angst. While I understand your point that people who are gay can choose not to tell the world, it is also the same as denying one's identity. If you were to one day deny your ethnic roots, it's a part of you that will always be there, regardless of your acknowledgements. The difference is that the ease of hiding has shifted to a psychological field rather than a physical one, well, minus the flamboyant gays out there. Also, it is my personal belief that sexuality is far more complex than our current words can categorize them. What Kinsey proposed several decades ago, regardless of structural and statistical flaws in his research, was that there are individuals out there that are not exclusively homosexual nor hetersexual, expanding a medium between the two opposites. I'm sure there are many people who have shifted their sexuality from when they were born/maturation, and there are many who have families who somehow ended up discovering homosexuality later in life. It's a tragic form of events as they really are quite life ruining, but it illustrates that it isn't necessarily a choice, but a matter of genetic predisposition and extraneous factors; if you read some articles on homosexuality in research journals, you will find that homosexuality isn't exclusively genetic, as the nature vs nurture combination has become the scientific community's general consensus. Among the more amusing yet disturbing articles are the animals (mice was it?) that scientists have managed to genetically manipulate in exhibiting homosexual activity. The famous article that came out within the past 5 years also found a genetic correlation of...lets see how do I put this...the youngest male out of having several older male siblings will have an increased 3% chance of being homosexual with every older brother he has...IF he is not left handed. I'm not sure if I paraphrased that correctly, but I'll go look it up. The debate has expanded as much into the social sciences as much as the biological. A lot of people consider homosexuality to be a lifestyle and claim that it can be cured, but considering the variety of opinions in the general public, there isn't even a consistent definition nor understanding of the subject. What we can agree on is that sexuality is poorly understood, though sadly many insist on a black and white view of the topic without consideration of empirical findings which in turn leads to discrimination.

 

[stkyrice]

Getting back to the original topic at hand. 🙂

I'll start this off by saying that I'm both queer and a person of color so I find it really amusing how people start comparing sexuality and race on this thread, and suffice it to say that it is two different things, but the people who are only one will say it is without knowing any better.

Anyway, if you're going to discuss your orientation, you have to bring it back to why it's important as a pharmacist and how it relates to your application. If your being queer led you to be completely disowned by your family, gay bashed everywhere you went, but you still completed your coursework with a great GPA, then great. If your sexuality led you to become involved for an LGBT organization, and you ended up being a leader in that organization, then that shows your leadership qualities.

If you're just saying that you're being queer for the sake of being "unique", that might help if you're in a place where there aren't a lot of out queer folk. If you were to say that at a pharm school in a major city, you'd probably get a response akin to, "Yes...and????" UCSF, for example, has a lot of queer folk everywhere, so your being queer there isn't going to make that much of a difference, and people there get really irritated by people using identity as a way to make them unique, especially if they haven't done anything to show that they really want to be a pharmacist and just playing an identity card.

On the grand scheme of things, when you're working as a pharmacist, and you're dealing with a patient, the chances of you needing to divulge your orientation is zero. Is that being closeted? Not really. It's just not pertinent to the situation at hand. Case in point--I have a few pharmacist friends who do HIV/AIDS work; half are queer men and the other half are straight women.

Anyway, hope this helps--and by the way, there are a lot of queer pharmacists out there--you just have to find them. 🙂

 

[labrat024]

Off topic again. Well seeing that rave parties seem to be a spawning ground for new gays, I would say that being gay is not necessarily something you are born with. Drugs can induce gayness in otherwise straight people.

 

[nerv12345]

there's a difference between affection and "gayness".
also i'm affectionate to my guy friends...i don't find it weird at all to hug them (sober or buzzed)...does that mean i'm gay?

and i'm sorry...but just because one goes to raves doesn't mean they do drugs. i've been going to raves for years and i've never taken a hit of any drug...including marijuana

i'm actually going to one tonight!!
anyone else going to "together as one" NYE rave in downtown los angeles? 🙂

 

[evilolive]

Off topic again. Well seeing that rave parties seem to be a spawning ground for new gays, I would say that being gay is not necessarily something you are born with. Drugs can induce gayness in otherwise straight people.

Correlation and causation. At night, we see the stars in the sky circle around the earth. We also see the sun come up at one point in the day and set in the evening. Therefore the earth is at the center of the universe sitting still, and everything else revolves around us.

 

[twester]

I'm open about my sexual orientation at school. I think I came out in both of my interviews but it was very casual and in reference to a question about whether or not my family understood the commitment that pharmacy school would entail (or something like that).

I have never had anyone in my class make a comment to me about being gay. In fact, I remember purposely telling someone in my class who I knew would spread it around for me (coming-out-by-proxy LOL). She disappointed me and kept it to herself - most likely because it wasn't a big enough deal to gossip about. How the times have changed...

Jessica, be out and proud. Stand up for yourself and be an advocate for equal access to society and to healthcare for the GLBT community. But don't let your orientation be the most interesting thing about you, because sexual orientation really is kind of a boring topic these days. The only people who really get into talking about it now are heterosexuals.

 

[labrat024]

Correlation and causation. At night, we see the stars in the sky circle around the earth. We also see the sun come up at one point in the day and set in the evening. Therefore the earth is at the center of the universe sitting still, and everything else revolves around us.

You can try and talk like your smart or something. Maybe you should be a philosopher. All I know is I'm about to pass out, from all the gayness.

 

[asc05]

I'm not really pre-pharmacy anymore, but it's nice to see other lesbians/gays out there! Maybe we should have our own party at APhA next year?

 

[yazzman]

I'm a heterosexual white male. In my interview, I was waiting for the oppurtunity to bring up the fact that I am sexually attracted to petite bolndes with small breasts and shapely bottoms, but all my life I have suffered redicule because everyone I meet likes large breasts. Dealing with this ridicule has taught me to persevere and strive to achieve all of my goals.
Unfortunately, I instead had to talk about my pharmacy and educational experiences, how I manage my time, and why I think pharmacy is for me.😎

BEST POST OF ALL TIME IN SDN....

 

[jessica525]

BEST POST OF ALL TIME IN SDN....

I definitely have to second this...because not only do I love the ladies, but am also sexually attracted to petite bolndes with small breasts and shapely bottoms, but all my life I have suffered redicule because everyone I meet likes large breasts...and penis.

having this problem has certainly made me the strong individual that was accepted to USC, UCSD, and UCSF....so I am thankful for everything 😎

 

[lessotto]

I definitely have to second this...because not only do I love the ladies, but am also sexually attracted to petite bolndes with small breasts and shapely bottoms, but all my life I have suffered redicule because everyone I meet likes large breasts...and penis.

having this problem has certainly made me the strong individual that was accepted to USC, UCSD, and UCSF....so I am thankful for everything 😎

If having this problem got you into those schools, Im coming out of the closet. Wait!!! I need to get into the closet first, i guess!!!

 

[UES Girl]

If having this problem got you into those schools, Im coming out of the closet. Wait!!! I need to get into the closet first, i guess!!!

Seriously +1 🙂

 

[panzer]

If this post disgusts you...sorry im gay.... get over it

If you are really depressed, then you should try this new drug called Trymenagain 😍

 

[yazzman]

If you are really depressed, then you should try this new drug called Trymenagain 😍

Trymenagain.......

 

[AbsoluteEthanol]

telling your interviewer that you are a homosexual would be downright idiotic! please recall that a pharmacy school interview is very much like a job/business interview and stating your sexual preference is wildly inappropriate!


besides, why would you even think of mentioning anything about homosexuality? are you trying NOT to get into pharmacy school? if you think that people in the 21st century are open-minded and accepting you're dead wrong!

i'm a very open minded individual, with MANY homosexual friends/acquaintances; however, if someone mentioned being homosexual at an interview that i was conducting i would immediately recommend for this candidate to be rejected.

 

[UMbryce]

To absoluteethanol,

I wonder why you "would immediately recommend for this candidate to be rejected?" What are your reasons. I thought that you said you're very open-minded and have many gay friends. So you think homosexuality in a working environment is unacceptable?

 

[labrat024]

To absoluteethanol,

I wonder why you "would immediately recommend for this candidate to be rejected?" What are your reasons. I thought that you said you're very open-minded and have many gay friends. So you think homosexuality in a working environment is unacceptable?

You are putting words in his mouth. He said that it is inappropriate to bring up this type of behavior (or whatever you call it) during your interview. I wouldn't go to an interview and tell them that I am heterosexual, it just doesn't make sense. Why do they need to know that you are a turd burglar?

 

[AbsoluteEthanol]

To absoluteethanol,

I wonder why you "would immediately recommend for this candidate to be rejected?" What are your reasons. I thought that you said you're very open-minded and have many gay friends. So you think homosexuality in a working environment is unacceptable?

the reason is because I would feel that this person would be causing friction with his/her classmates because a vast majority of heterosexuals feel awkward and "weird" around openly/proud homosexuals. i don't think that gay people are second class citizens or that there's anything wrong with homosexuality, I just want people to keep private **** to themselves.

what if i went to an interview and told the Adcom(s) that my favorite sex position is doggy-style, or that i masturbate on a daily basis and those are the things that separate me from other candidates? that would be absolutely idiotic, right? same thing here, no one cares whether your gay or not, keep that to yourself... ESPECIALLY AT A GRAD SCHOOL INTERVIEW!!! are you kidding me!?

 

[meowmeow]

I skipped over what everyone wrote, but i just wanted to comment that I know a "bisexual" (but I believe he is gay) guy who bragged that he got into a whole bunch of schools for undergrad by writing about his "bisexuality" and blahblahblah... maybe it'll work to write about being gay!

 

[UES Girl]

I skipped over what everyone wrote, but i just wanted to comment that I know a "bisexual" (but I believe he is gay) guy who bragged that he got into a whole bunch of schools for undergrad by writing about his "bisexuality" and blahblahblah... maybe it'll work to write about being gay!

Then I will write about that too - and how I find Jolie extremely irresistable. 😳

 

[UMbryce]

Really sorry if I didn't put my thoughts in quite the right words. OK, I get what you mean now. But I see where you and I differ. If I'm interviewing someone, and they say they're gay, I don't automatically think of a weird sexual lifestyle, doing it this way and that (being gay does not equal to being a gay pervert). And according to somebody above, you can use how you handle being gay as an example of overcoming obstacles. So what's wrong with discussing being gay at an interview?

I agree the topic should be avoided because certain people do get weirded out. But a pharmacy school adcom? ARen't they open-minded and understanding because this profession requires such traits? I think it's harmless to say you're gay. And I was kind of surprised that you would say you would reject someone if they discuss homosexuality at the interview. At least this is what I understood from your post.

And friction among classmates? Again, aren't we all in pharmacy understanding people? An openly gay classmate would make us feel uneasy?

 

[nerv12345]

ARen't they open-minded and understanding because this profession requires such traits? Again, aren't we all in pharmacy understanding people?

read all the posts on this thread

 

[jessica525]

haha i love how people are still arguing over this even though its been forever!!

oh and i would take Trymenagain.....but I have a STRONG STRONG allergic reaction to it 😉 makes me vomit

anywho....I did appreciate the advice of genuine individuals in this thread....and I did not see the opportunity to bring up the fact that I am lesbian during ALL of my interviews. (Because I was not asked a question on hardships, etc). However, IF I were asked about a tough time in my life...I would def mention the time my family found out and how disappointed they were, my grandma crying, not talking to me etc. I would expect a straight person to do the same if they went through a rough time in their life that effected everything, school...work...family, etc. I mean even if you had a rough break up with your HETEROSEXUAL partner, as long as it was a hardship and you got through it...I would bring it up. its YOUR life. My friend had her bf try to kill himself after a breakup, he was in a coma for 3 days. She mentioned this because although it is personal information from her personal life...it was hard for her to maintain excellent grades while going through it.

As for pharmacy school....I don't see why homosexuals should be forced to hide their sexuality because it makes people feel uncomfortable. hahaha that is hilarious because actually.... I dont care that straight people talk about their significant others & their relationship (as long is it is kept professional). Lots of my friends knew during my undergraduate years....and had no problem with it. I know when my straight friends are getting married, having babies, whats the difference? like I said....GET OVER IT

It's funny when guys ask me why I don't like men....I say to them...."Can you picture a guy naked and doing sexual things with them & cuddling, kissing, and forming a lifelong relationship with him?"....most reply "EWWW hell no"....then I say "Exactly, thats how I feel about men".....I love women for the same reason all you guys love women...and I am not attracted to men for all the same reasons you straight guys would never think twice about kissing a man. 🙂


I know this thread is now at the top because of replies, but thank you to all the individuals who responded...it took alot to throw this out there with all the haters lol, but it was worth it...and fun might I add.

 

[dienophile]

or that i masturbate on a daily basis

Doesn't everyone? LOL.

 

[AbsoluteEthanol]

Doesn't everyone? LOL.

maybe pharmacy students... pre-pharms don't have enough time for that luxury

 

[stkyrice]

haha i love how people are still arguing over this even though its been forever!!

oh and i would take Trymenagain.....but I have a STRONG STRONG allergic reaction to it 😉 makes me vomit

anywho....I did appreciate the advice of genuine individuals in this thread....and I did not see the opportunity to bring up the fact that I am lesbian during ALL of my interviews. (Because I was not asked a question on hardships, etc). However, IF I were asked about a tough time in my life...I would def mention the time my family found out and how disappointed they were, my grandma crying, not talking to me etc. I would expect a straight person to do the same if they went through a rough time in their life that effected everything, school...work...family, etc. I mean even if you had a rough break up with your HETEROSEXUAL partner, as long as it was a hardship and you got through it...I would bring it up. its YOUR life. My friend had her bf try to kill himself after a breakup, he was in a coma for 3 days. She mentioned this because although it is personal information from her personal life...it was hard for her to maintain excellent grades while going through it.

As for pharmacy school....I don't see why homosexuals should be forced to hide their sexuality because it makes people feel uncomfortable. hahaha that is hilarious because actually.... I dont care that straight people talk about their significant others & their relationship (as long is it is kept professional). Lots of my friends knew during my undergraduate years....and had no problem with it. I know when my straight friends are getting married, having babies, whats the difference? like I said....GET OVER IT

It's funny when guys ask me why I don't like men....I say to them...."Can you picture a guy naked and doing sexual things with them & cuddling, kissing, and forming a lifelong relationship with him?"....most reply "EWWW hell no"....then I say "Exactly, thats how I feel about men".....I love women for the same reason all you guys love women...and I am not attracted to men for all the same reasons you straight guys would never think twice about kissing a man. 🙂


I know this thread is now at the top because of replies, but thank you to all the individuals who responded...it took alot to throw this out there with all the haters lol, but it was worth it...and fun might I add.

Heh, when I interviewed at UCSF and Hawai'i-Hilo, I talked about my partner in passing, and how a lot of my leadership and activism is based in the queer men's community and HIV/AIDS communities. Both interviews were focused on my leadership, but my being queer was more tangential than anything, except for the fact that I got involved in doing leadership stuff in both communities because I had a lot of friends who were killed by AIDS complications who were also dealing with severe homophobia in a health care setting and that spurred me on to go into doing this type of activism.

I think you'll find that in UCSD, your being lesbian will be met with a shrug and an "oh, that's nice." At UCSF, it's such a nonissue here that the LGBTQ group has trouble getting people to attend their meetings because most of us are already comfortable with our sexuality and have friends based on other interests. I have noticed that that the queer pharm students, the queer med students, etc. all hang out together based on what school they go to because they have more in common with each other, rather than their sexuality.

I think that the stigma of being queer has lessened considerably when applying for professional programs, and I remember being told in the mid-90s when I was first considering pharm/med school to not really talk about it. It feels like now, after being interviewed, that I was being considered during my interviews on whether I could be seen as a successful pharmacist based on my work and my credentials, and not because I am marginalized as a person of color, or as identifying as queer, etc., and that they appreciated that because of what's happened in my life, it propelled me to do my activist work and pursue a pharm degree.

That being said, it's nice to see some other openly queer pharm students out there...😉