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I graduated with a BS electrical engineering with a GPA of 3.2 (worked a lot during school). Been working for 9 years and would love to go back and get a medical degree. I'm confident I'll get a 4.0 in the 11 pre-med courses I'm required to take, and also confident in an excellent MCAT score.

Do you think due to my BSEE GPA, I should not even bother applying, or would the pre-requisites' GPA make up for that?:scared:
 
I graduated with a BS electrical engineering with a GPA of 3.2 (worked a lot during school). Been working for 9 years and would love to go back and get a medical degree. I'm confident I'll get a 4.0 in the 11 pre-med courses I'm required to take, and also confident in an excellent MCAT score.

Do you think due to my BSEE GPA, I should not even bother applying, or would the pre-requisites' GPA make up for that?:scared:


Nothing is going to "make up for" a less than adequate uGPA but doing well in your pre-med coursework and on the Medical College Admissions Test is certainly a good strategy. The other thing that is helpful is that there has been some time between your first degree and your current coursework.

You can go on line and find a GPA calculator that will give you an idea of your potential uGPA once you have completed your post bacc work. Just be sure that you don't apply to schools that automatically screen if you do not meet their screening uGPA, do high quality work and take the MCAT once and only once with a very strong performance. You won't be a "slam-dunk" but you can show that you have matured and that you would make a good candidate for medical school.

Be sure that you are ready to explain rationally and fully, why you want to enter medicine after 9 years in engineering (question is bound to come up). Other than the above, you can only do so much. You are not the same person today that you were 9 years ago so go for it and remember that performance outweighs confidence. Get the performance issue under control and see where you land.
 
... and also confident in an excellent MCAT score.

This is sort of a cardinal sin around here -- assuming a good MCAT score before taking the test. Most people who "assume" a good score don't get one. Currently the average MCAT score for matriculants is well above the national average for the test, and rising. Until you actually take the test, you can assume nothing. Many many people, even with strong science backgrounds, end up doing less impressively on this test than they initially "assumed" on SDN. The only thing you can do is take multiple full length practice tests and do not sit for that exam until you are regularly scoring in your desired range. Until you do that, you will be underestimating the test or overestimating yourself.

As for the rest of the question, a 3.2 with an 11 course upward postbac trend gives you a shot at med schools. But you'd want to apply widely and broadly -- you won't get to be as selective as those with higher undergrad GPAs. And don't forget the non-academic stuff -- clinical exposure is pretty much a prerequisite for med school these days, so you ought to get yourself into hospital volunteering and shadowing mode ASAP. Also start thinking about how you are going to address why you are changing fields, and "why medicine?". Strong answers to these questions tend to be extremely important for nontrads. Hope that helps.
 
Ditto on the confidence comments above - watch yourself. Welcome to the premed world of memorization and regurgitation. In engineering coursework (and in industry) we get to solve problems and complete projects that demonstrate our mastery of a subject. In health sciences we get to memorize and take multiple choice tests, and we don't necessarily get to know what the system is. You know, the system, a deep understanding of which is the basis for an engineer's confidence? Yep.

Be smarter than me: take your prereqs at a school where you can SUCCEED, and where you'll have support for research and volunteering, and maybe integrated MCAT prep. Look into a structured postbac, such as the programs at Bryn Mawr, Goucher, Scripps, Bennington et al. If these don't suit your fancy, then make sure you're at a school where you'll have sufficient opportunity to be known by faculty (to get letters of recommendation) and where you can get A's. For example, a huge university with massive NIH funding and its own med school might not be the best place to do this...

Best of luck to you.
 
While I understand that some of the other posters may view your confidence as hubris, I totally get it. I too had a low undergraduate GPA, a 3.1. Ten years later when I decided to pursue my medical dream, I knew that I absolutely needed a 4.0 in my post-bacc and a competitive MCAT score. I also knew that at that point in my life, I couldn't walk away from another career without having confidence that I could succeed. Just be aware that it's going to take hard work - CRAZY HARD WORK. You'll have to sacrifice a lot... some relationships may be strained, but you can do it.

Now the reality check... I ended up with a 4.0 in my post-bacc and a 35 on my MCAT (after studying 8-hrs a day for a month...the husband was not pleased). I have so far gotten interviews and (fingers-crossed) I think an acceptance. However, because my overall GPA still sucked, some of the screening schools rejected me pre-secondary. Med schools seem to like non-trad applicants, but be sure to have a great story. They expect more from you and will want to see your maturity and life experiences reflected in your interview. Good luck!!!
 
Don't worry to much about the GPA. You were not a biology student. EE is a hard curriculum with many abstract situations that you solve with open ended questions, especially if you did IC fab, EM, or semiconductor fab.

The people I talked with at NWern the other day told me that they expect to see typically low GPA's from engineers and physical science students because they don't have the typically easier biology courses to cushion their grade. OTOH, be sure to make sure that you are not applying to schools that just look right at the GPA and MCAT and blow you off before anything else.

I to did the Engr. route, I worked and researched every year that I was in school. I am graduating with 3 years research, and 1 year work experience with the hardest degree offered on my campus. I have a 3.2 and have been competitive as far as engineering is concerned (i.e. I competed nationally for internships and got one out of the 180 offered from very large corporations).

For you, you're essays will be key. A good score on the MCAT is also necessary. If you can work well as an engineer, I wouldn't worry about the MCAT. I took mine during finals and got a 32T, which I consider a disappointment (could have studied anatomy and orgo a little more and done much better).

So don't sweat it, just make sure that you can back up your reasons for the switch and come off as someone who is competent and knows that they can be accomplished during their medical training.

May also want to start looking at volunteering at the local hospital/clinic right now though...
 
concur w/postings above, especially l2doc & midlife, the mcat tends to kick most of our butts, I'm convinced it's a test intended to see how well you can do on the MCAT, it's not enough to have strong mastery of all materials, it's more about being able to make fast decions with limited info, gain comfort on moving on without double checking any work or figures, etc. It can be learned, but doing well on the mcat is more dependant on studying for the mcat format (assuming a strong knowledge of the basic science materials covered) than about simplying having a good handle on the material.

suggestion for concrete steps on not getting screened out -- many schools have a screening process as a first step. This will most likely be based on 1) gpa 2) MCAT scores, likely with a min per section and also a min overall 3) ECs, particularly clinical volunteer experience. Schools with smaller admissions offices are more likely to have a higher threshhold for screening out applicants as they don't have the time to read 3,000 apps in depth; a screen lets them immediately eliminate, say, 75% of these so they can focus on the "best" applicants.

Only way I'm aware of finding out about this screen is by speaking with schools. Remember, they don't have to tell you this, so I'd ask really nicely, possibly by saying you're interested in the school, have a 3.x gpa, and do they often interview candidates with a similar gpa. Also, public schools (if you're OOS) are sometimes impossiby tough with their initial (academic) screen, like the one looking for 3.8 + gpa (and a high MCAT) from OOS, whereas instate applicants could be interviewed with a 3.2 or so..

You've got a very strong shot at quite a few schools, close to no chance at others, choose carefully & it should work fine!
 
Your situation is a lot like mine was. I really didn't have very strong grades as an undergrad. But it looks like that was a long time ago for you. As long as you perform very well in your pre-reqs, you will probably see some of your past sins forgiven.

I agree completely with what people above have said about the screening process. Your biggest issue will be that you will have around 120 credits of 3.2 working against around 15 credits of (hopefully) 4.0. If a computer screens your application (which will likely show a GPA around 3.35) you'll never make it to see the committee.

Do whatever you can to find an ally on the inside. Call the admissions office and make an appointment to speak with anyone who will listen to you. As you take classes, keep in touch with them. See them again right before you apply. You just need to get your app out of the "auto-reject" pile. And be sure to get a big dose of exposure to clinical medicine. The schools will want to see it, and you need to be 100% sure this is what you want to do...

Good luck!
 
Everyone else has pretty much covered all the bases. Good work team! 🙂

But let me add that which state you have residency does affect the process. My original ugrad GPA was similar to yours. I did the 4.0 GPA post-bacc thing and got a 34R on the MCAT. I have what most people consider excellent ECs and stellar LORs.

You should check out my MDapps though. Most of my success in this application process has come from friendly instate schools.

I hope you live in TX, FL, or OH. And really hope you don't live in CA.

Most people don't consider moving to a friendly state to apply to medical school, but I strongly recommend it if it's feasible.
 
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