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Has anyone interviewed at Hopkins yet? I was wondering what people think of the program.
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I would pretty much agree with devildoc. Hopkins is a pretty collegial work environment, but it is very focused and intense training. By the third year, the residents are amazingly brilliant. Essentially all residents do fellowships.
Regarding work hours, residents do at times go over 80, particularly interns, but it's the type of program that you wouldn't go to unless you don't mind working a little harder. This is not to say that the program has made no efforts to reduce work hours. Devildoc is right that postcall interns may stay til 5 pm or later, but he didn't mention that they come in at noon the day before, so, as long as the postcall intern is out by 6 pm, they are not in violation. Intense, yes. Flagrantly in violation, I wouldn't say so.
Regarding work hours, residents do at times go over 80, particularly interns, but it's the type of program that you wouldn't go to unless you don't mind working a little harder. This is not to say that the program has made no efforts to reduce work hours. Devildoc is right that postcall interns may stay til 5 pm or later, but he didn't mention that they come in at noon the day before, so, as long as the postcall intern is out by 6 pm, they are not in violation. Intense, yes. Flagrantly in violation, I wouldn't say so.
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i am interviewing at bayview next month and know very little about it--at least insofar as the culture is concerned. what are the major differences between bayview and the main program? and why is the bayview program so much more enjoyable (as the OP described)?
believe me, i liked hearing what you said about bayview and i'm all the more excited about coming for an interview, but i'd like to know more insider info about the nature of the relationship between the two programs, what the differences are besides campuses, etc. i've read that the main program is of course more prestigious, but how much more? do most people really know the difference? before i applied this year, if someone said they were doing residency at hopkins-bayview i would have just assumed that it was hopkins---period. how far apart are the hospitals?
thanks
believe me, i liked hearing what you said about bayview and i'm all the more excited about coming for an interview, but i'd like to know more insider info about the nature of the relationship between the two programs, what the differences are besides campuses, etc. i've read that the main program is of course more prestigious, but how much more? do most people really know the difference? before i applied this year, if someone said they were doing residency at hopkins-bayview i would have just assumed that it was hopkins---period. how far apart are the hospitals?
thanks
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Let me shed a little light on Hopkins... Yes it is a program where you were will work hard (like most top programs). The rewards that you get from working hard are well worth it. You will learn medicine like no other program. You work with brilliant residents and attendings. You will be able to write your ticket for fellowship (I cannot stress enough how important this is). It is also a very close group and yes we do have time to socialize. Most people don't mind going out post-call. Being a med student you don't really see all that is going on and aren't invited to most things.
As for work hours....we are compliant with work hours. The intern comes in at 12 noon on call days therefore has to leave by 6pm the next day. The previous poster doesn't know the program that well.
As for Bayview...med students tend to like there rotations there a little better, because when they are at Hopkins the interns are very busy and are aggressive about taking most of the procedures and such. At Bayview the students are more involved and play a bigger role on the team. Bayview is more like a community hospital. They are good at primary care and if that is your interest, you would probably be better off with Bayview. Even though med students like their rotation better at Bayview, almost all of them that are going into medicine choose Hopkins for residency. They get a few prelims because it as an easier year. As someone that just matched in fellowship... trust me everyone knows the difference between the 2 programs. Bayview does not carry the prestige of the Osler program or any other top program. Bayview also has a lot of IMGs. Most people are really not interviewing at both places. We attract 2 different types of applicants.
As for work hours....we are compliant with work hours. The intern comes in at 12 noon on call days therefore has to leave by 6pm the next day. The previous poster doesn't know the program that well.
As for Bayview...med students tend to like there rotations there a little better, because when they are at Hopkins the interns are very busy and are aggressive about taking most of the procedures and such. At Bayview the students are more involved and play a bigger role on the team. Bayview is more like a community hospital. They are good at primary care and if that is your interest, you would probably be better off with Bayview. Even though med students like their rotation better at Bayview, almost all of them that are going into medicine choose Hopkins for residency. They get a few prelims because it as an easier year. As someone that just matched in fellowship... trust me everyone knows the difference between the 2 programs. Bayview does not carry the prestige of the Osler program or any other top program. Bayview also has a lot of IMGs. Most people are really not interviewing at both places. We attract 2 different types of applicants.
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hi domino,
thanks for the great post. i'm very excited about interviewing at hopkins but anytime i tell people i'm going there all they do is fire back criticism! some of the criticism comes from professors of mine who talk about what it was like 'back in their day'. and others just say 'baltimore sucks' why would you go there. yet others echo what some of the earlier posts say about how hard you have to work.
but my take is that you'll have to work hard at any of the top programs. and if jhu was so horrible why would so many top applicants go there every year? so thanks for the reassuring post. any other comments you have about the program would be appreciated as well!
thanks for the great post. i'm very excited about interviewing at hopkins but anytime i tell people i'm going there all they do is fire back criticism! some of the criticism comes from professors of mine who talk about what it was like 'back in their day'. and others just say 'baltimore sucks' why would you go there. yet others echo what some of the earlier posts say about how hard you have to work.
but my take is that you'll have to work hard at any of the top programs. and if jhu was so horrible why would so many top applicants go there every year? so thanks for the reassuring post. any other comments you have about the program would be appreciated as well!
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😍 The residents at Bayview are mostly AMG not IMGs. Serveral JHU students are categorical residents there. The Bayview program provides a great training in a good atmosphere. No it is not the osler program but hey everyone is not out there to be a marine some people just want to learn and be a good doctor. Bayview will make you one. Also an extra added plus is the fellowship list . . a good number of the residents match at jhu downtown. Cards GI and the rest that all you gunners and snipers with and without latent indolent tendancies are looking for. Several of the divisions of medicine for jhmi (the entire jhu system) are located on the bayview campus including geriatrics, pulm/critical care, and allergy and immunology all of which are highly regarded. Many people berated this program but I see it as a hidden jewel. One thing that most people don't talk about and should is how much of of vested interest the program takes in its residents. Nobody beats this program on that one. It is a great place. If I was doing medicine it would be my number one no doubt.
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Hi everyone,
I'm one of the JH Bayview interns, and I wanted to contribute my two cents' worth.
I think one of the above posts is right on, in that the JHH and JHBMC programs attract different personalities.
I will only comment on our own program here at JH Bayview, since my experience has been here.
First, our program could easily be called "Hopkins with a heart". As a trainee here, at every level, you are cared about. Obviously, your closest buds are going to be in your own class -- but you'll quickly become accepted into the housestaff body as a whole. This was my favorite realization this year. I've never felt alone, nor have I ever felt out of place, or unaccepted by anyone else. I can walk up to any of the attendings, residents, or interns and start a conversation, knowing that I'm going to be talking to someone warm, and who really cares about other people.
Second, the learning environment is great. Our general IM faculty are fantastic, and likely the most famous in the world. Above all, they're great teachers! The authors and editors of "Principles of Ambulatory Medicine", found in IM clinics everywhere, are our attendings in housestaff clinic. They know us personally, and take a vested interest in our growth and maturation as physicians (especially Dr. Barker!). Plus, they're really warm people who have a lot of great stories about things both in and outside of medicine. Another thing I loved this year was finding out that even the big great masters of knowledge have interests outside of medicine! They love their pets, sports, jokes, and TV! In the ICU's (in which we get quite a fair amount of training), many of the attendings rotate between the two campuses. They're also great teachers, and a mix of really warm and fuzzy people, and some seriously serious people.
Finally (I know this is getting long), the miscellaneous stuff.
- My year, there were 7 categorical spots, 7 GIM spots, and several prelims. All seats went to AMGs. Out of the 14 seats (categorical + GIM), two came from JHU.
- The program directors, attendings, and especially the 2nd/3rd year residents care about getting us out under 80 hours. During the 5 call months I've had so far, I've slid under 80 hrs for all but one week, and have always been under 80 hrs when averaged over 4 weeks. Many of the attendings (ICU and wards) will PUSH you out the door if you're about to go over 30 hours in a shift.
- This is a great environment to live and work in. I really like the people I work with. I think they pick us not only because of scores and honors on the CV, but also because of friendliness and an "idealistic streak". Several of my classmates are out to save the world, and I sure hope they do.
- This is a very family-friendly program, whether you're categorical or GIM. Several of the other interns have kids, and many are married or in serious relationships (which haven't fallen apart -- YES!).
- We do try to treat the JHU students well here. We are freaking busy sometimes, but we try very hard to make rotations both educational and humane. I don't scut my students out because I hated being scutted out. I update my students when I get signout overnight, because I never got that when I was in their shoes. I think it's the little things like this that add up to make the students feel more included... because they're definitely a part of our team.
- We do get great fellowships. When you come to interview, please ask for the list. You won't be disappointed. Many do choose to stay at Hopkins (many of the fellowships span both campuses).
- I have nothing but respect for the JH downtown residents. Our ICU teams here are hybrids (half JH downtown, half JH Bayview), and we work together well. I've not seen gang warfare break out in our ICUs. We don't hiss at each other in the halls. I've really enjoyed working with the downtown guys, because they're so hard-core, and they have this fantastic endurance for hard work. I think each side can learn a lot from our interactions together.
Ok, this became too long. Sorry. Feel free to message with questions or comments.
I'm one of the JH Bayview interns, and I wanted to contribute my two cents' worth.
I think one of the above posts is right on, in that the JHH and JHBMC programs attract different personalities.
I will only comment on our own program here at JH Bayview, since my experience has been here.
First, our program could easily be called "Hopkins with a heart". As a trainee here, at every level, you are cared about. Obviously, your closest buds are going to be in your own class -- but you'll quickly become accepted into the housestaff body as a whole. This was my favorite realization this year. I've never felt alone, nor have I ever felt out of place, or unaccepted by anyone else. I can walk up to any of the attendings, residents, or interns and start a conversation, knowing that I'm going to be talking to someone warm, and who really cares about other people.
Second, the learning environment is great. Our general IM faculty are fantastic, and likely the most famous in the world. Above all, they're great teachers! The authors and editors of "Principles of Ambulatory Medicine", found in IM clinics everywhere, are our attendings in housestaff clinic. They know us personally, and take a vested interest in our growth and maturation as physicians (especially Dr. Barker!). Plus, they're really warm people who have a lot of great stories about things both in and outside of medicine. Another thing I loved this year was finding out that even the big great masters of knowledge have interests outside of medicine! They love their pets, sports, jokes, and TV! In the ICU's (in which we get quite a fair amount of training), many of the attendings rotate between the two campuses. They're also great teachers, and a mix of really warm and fuzzy people, and some seriously serious people.
Finally (I know this is getting long), the miscellaneous stuff.
- My year, there were 7 categorical spots, 7 GIM spots, and several prelims. All seats went to AMGs. Out of the 14 seats (categorical + GIM), two came from JHU.
- The program directors, attendings, and especially the 2nd/3rd year residents care about getting us out under 80 hours. During the 5 call months I've had so far, I've slid under 80 hrs for all but one week, and have always been under 80 hrs when averaged over 4 weeks. Many of the attendings (ICU and wards) will PUSH you out the door if you're about to go over 30 hours in a shift.
- This is a great environment to live and work in. I really like the people I work with. I think they pick us not only because of scores and honors on the CV, but also because of friendliness and an "idealistic streak". Several of my classmates are out to save the world, and I sure hope they do.
- This is a very family-friendly program, whether you're categorical or GIM. Several of the other interns have kids, and many are married or in serious relationships (which haven't fallen apart -- YES!).
- We do try to treat the JHU students well here. We are freaking busy sometimes, but we try very hard to make rotations both educational and humane. I don't scut my students out because I hated being scutted out. I update my students when I get signout overnight, because I never got that when I was in their shoes. I think it's the little things like this that add up to make the students feel more included... because they're definitely a part of our team.
- We do get great fellowships. When you come to interview, please ask for the list. You won't be disappointed. Many do choose to stay at Hopkins (many of the fellowships span both campuses).
- I have nothing but respect for the JH downtown residents. Our ICU teams here are hybrids (half JH downtown, half JH Bayview), and we work together well. I've not seen gang warfare break out in our ICUs. We don't hiss at each other in the halls. I've really enjoyed working with the downtown guys, because they're so hard-core, and they have this fantastic endurance for hard work. I think each side can learn a lot from our interactions together.
Ok, this became too long. Sorry. Feel free to message with questions or comments.
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great post. and everything you said is consistent with what i heard beforehand, and why i chose to apply there despite applying mostly to CA programs.
i knew there was something unique about the program when i called the number listed in ERAS, and i'm used to the phone always being answered by a secretary--but the program director answered the phone instead, and struck up a conversation with me as though we were longtime friends. i can't say that i've had that experience when i've called any other program.
i know someone on the faculty at bayview, and she pretty much said everything you wrote when i asked about the program. and the interview invitation letter was the longest and most personalized one i received this year, and all of this combined just gives me the sense that this is a nurturing, warm place. i look forward to seeing the place and i hope i meet the above poster when i'm there.
i knew there was something unique about the program when i called the number listed in ERAS, and i'm used to the phone always being answered by a secretary--but the program director answered the phone instead, and struck up a conversation with me as though we were longtime friends. i can't say that i've had that experience when i've called any other program.
i know someone on the faculty at bayview, and she pretty much said everything you wrote when i asked about the program. and the interview invitation letter was the longest and most personalized one i received this year, and all of this combined just gives me the sense that this is a nurturing, warm place. i look forward to seeing the place and i hope i meet the above poster when i'm there.
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I did rotations in Neurology and outpatient Medicine there. It is basically a smaller community hospital though it does have a fairly well known heart center and I think ortho is pretty good there as well. It is in north Baltimore, which is a nicer part of the city. There is a large Russian Jewish immigrant population in that area. Unlike Hopkins or Bayview, a lot of Sinai residents are IMGs. It is a fairly popular prelim spot for Hopkins residents, but the categorical program is almost never considered by Hopkins students, because the association between Hopkins and Sinai is far more distant than you'll find with Hopkins Bayview, which is really a second campus for Hopkins Medicine. I haven't really heard any bad things about the IM program, but I have heard that other residency programs at Sinai are particularly weak with high dropout rates. I don't know much about the inpatient side so it's probably best to talk with a current resident, but it is far weaker than Bayview or Hopkins and is really not considered to be a "Hopkins" program.
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Still pretty impressive fellowship match stats though for a community program:
>50% matching:
Case Western University
Cleveland Clinics
Dartmouth-Hitchcock Medical Center
Duke University
Georgetown University
George Washington University
Johns Hopkins University
Medical College of Virginia
National Institutes of Health (NIH)
Rush Medical College
University of Maryland
University of Virginia
Washington University
Yale University
