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I know hospitals are affiliated with other hospitals in the US and some hospitals do share their patient's medical record with another hospital in their system. I want to ask if a patients' information is shared among all hospitals in the US? For instance, if a patient is visiting an Emergency Room at one hospital, will another hospital in the US be able to retrieve the patient's information at their hospital.

Will a hospital in Ohio be able to retrieve the patient's information (eg diagnose, labs, care plans) from a hospital in Alaska. thank you.
 
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I may be wrong on this, but each hospital has it's own internal chart keeping, paper or electronic.

Hospitals can share patient information, but usually this requires some sort of release authorization so as to protect patient rights.
 
I know hospitals are affiliated with other hospitals in the US and some hospitals do share their patient's medical record with another hospital in their system. I want to ask if a patients' information is shared among all hospitals in the US? For instance, if a patient is visiting an Emergency Room at one hospital, will another hospital in the US be able to retrieve the patient's information at their hospital.

Will a hospital in Ohio be able to retrieve the patient's information (eg diagnose, labs, care plans) from a hospital in California. thank you.

If the hospitals in question are Veterans Administration Medical Centers then yes. Most other hospital systems are not so geographically spread out.
 
thank you for the quick response,

I have one more question.
What about Kaiser? I know there are a lot of Kaiser Permanente locations in the US.
Will a Kaiser Permanente location Georgia, USA be able to share the patient's medical record with another Kaiser Permanente in Colorado, USA?

Thank you.
 
thank you for the quick response,

I have one more question.
What about Kaiser? I know there are a lot of Kaiser Permanente locations in the US.
Will a Kaiser Permanente location Georgia, USA be able to share the patient's medical record with another Kaiser Permanente in Colorado, USA?

Thank you.
This would suggest that it can:

Connectivity - Kaiser Permanente Share
 
I may be wrong on this, but each hospital has it's own internal chart keeping, paper or electronic.

Hospitals can share patient information, but usually this requires some sort of release authorization so as to protect patient rights.
Not surprisingly, you are very, very wrong.
 
I called a hospital and the admission employee said that hospital only shared information with its own affiliated hospitals. Otherwise if a hospital is not affiliated with one hospital, both hospitals would not share the patient's medical record information
 
If the hospitals in question are Veterans Administration Medical Centers then yes. Most other hospital systems are not so geographically spread out.

But... why not? This seems like it would help in that healthcare providers do not perform repeat procedures, understand patients medical histories (beyond they can self report) etc.

If agencies like law enforcement have had the system set up for years, why does the medical profession not catch up? Is HIPPA the main concern?


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But... why not? This seems like it would help in that healthcare providers do not perform repeat procedures, understand patients medical histories (beyond they can self report) etc.

If agencies like law enforcement have had the system set up for years, why does the medical profession not catch up? Is HIPPA the main concern?
This is not mainly a HIPAA concern as it's simple enough to tell the patient that their records are shared across the hospitals unless they opt out. The biggest barrier, in my mind, is that you'd need the hospitals on one shared system. Which are you going to pick, and how will you convince the hospitals that aren't already using it to do so?
 
I've only seen a patient's chart fully include information from other health systems once, even when the systems use the same EMRs. Three of the local systems here use Epic. Still, Epic's care everywhere function mostly just shows hospital names of where else the patient has been, with no further information when you click on that section. There has to be a formal request made to allow a facility to access records from somewhere else, and it's almost never done.

The only times I've had info provided from other health systems have usually been during transfers, where the patient will come with a paper copy of the chart, which may or may not ever get uploaded into the EMR. Regardless, being uploaded is not an instant process, so most of the things that come from OSHs just get redone on arrival. Too much of a pain in the butt to dig through a 40 page paper document when you can just repeat the CT/XR/labs/whatever yourself and have the results in your EMR.

Besides, when paper charts get uploaded, they are uploaded as a document attachment. In other words, even uploaded, you still have to open and manually search through a 40 page document to find anything. They come up like .pdf files and are often not searchable with a ctrl-F. Labs/test results still do not appear in the results section with results done at the current facility. It's still easier just to redo everything so information is readily accessible.

But... why not? This seems like it would help in that healthcare providers do not perform repeat procedures, understand patients medical histories (beyond they can self report) etc.

If agencies like law enforcement have had the system set up for years, why does the medical profession not catch up? Is HIPPA the main concern?
Upon transfer, most of my patients cannot self-report. What the physicians are able to know comes from whatever the physician at the previous facility told the receiving one. It's entirely word of mouth. You really hope the physician at the previous facility didn't forget much. If the patient transferred overnight, this means waking the patient families up at 3 in the morning to ask them basic health history questions if receiving staff is still fuzzy about what exactly is in the patient's history - assuming the family knows anything about the patient's history, which a lot of them don't. If you're lucky, you learn that the patient takes a little blue pill for "the sugar."

Like anything else in healthcare, I'm assuming it's about protecting all the stupid, interfering 3rd parties' interests. More people make more money with five hundred different EMRs to pay for than if there was one national EMR system. Heaven forbid we go to one system... lots of business-type middle men would lose their jobs and patients wouldn't have tests repeated just for convenience and would be able to save some money, which would clearly be horrible.

No concrete proof of any of that, by the way, I'm just a cynic.
 
I've only seen a patient's chart fully include information from other health systems once, even when the systems use the same EMRs. Three of the local systems here use Epic. Still, Epic's care everywhere function mostly just shows hospital names of where else the patient has been, with no further information when you click on that section. There has to be a formal request made to allow a facility to access records from somewhere else, and it's almost never done.

The only times I've had info provided from other health systems have usually been during transfers, where the patient will come with a paper copy of the chart, which may or may not ever get uploaded into the EMR. Regardless, being uploaded is not an instant process, so most of the things that come from OSHs just get redone on arrival. Too much of a pain in the butt to dig through a 40 page paper document when you can just repeat the CT/XR/labs/whatever yourself and have the results in your EMR.

Besides, when paper charts get uploaded, they are uploaded as a document attachment. In other words, even uploaded, you still have to open and manually search through a 40 page document to find anything. They come up like .pdf files and are often not searchable with a ctrl-F. Labs/test results still do not appear in the results section with results done at the current facility. It's still easier just to redo everything so information is readily accessible.


Upon transfer, most of my patients cannot self-report. What the physicians are able to know comes from whatever the physician at the previous facility told the receiving one. It's entirely word of mouth. You really hope the physician at the previous facility didn't forget much. If the patient transferred overnight, this means waking the patient families up at 3 in the morning to ask them basic health history questions if receiving staff is still fuzzy about what exactly is in the patient's history - assuming the family knows anything about the patient's history, which a lot of them don't. If you're lucky, you learn that the patient takes a little blue pill for "the sugar."

Like anything else in healthcare, I'm assuming it's about protecting all the stupid, interfering 3rd parties' interests. More people make more money with five hundred different EMRs to pay for than if there was one national EMR system. Heaven forbid we go to one system... lots of business-type middle men would lose their jobs and patients wouldn't have tests repeated just for convenience and would be able to save some money, which would clearly be horrible.

No concrete proof of any of that, by the way, I'm just a cynic.

Repeating CTs seems like an unnecessary way to radiate the patient again and cost insurance companies a lot of money (which would drive healthcare costs up)


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To bridge here ^ we run in to this not infrequently in the ED... We see patients regularly who have been seen and evaluated at other area hospitals, sadly not always with reciprocal systems. We try to get OSH imaging, but sometimes it's virtually impossible and an unstable patient may require repeated imaging. Unfortunate but true. Even more of a bummer is when a person shows up with an incomplete workup... Ie, a CT chest for a trauma but peritonitic on exam and concerns for an abd injury. It happens.
 
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