Hospitalist only BY internal medicine

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Is it true that jobs in big cities for hospitalists are exclusively under internal medicine? I know hospitalist positions are open for family medicine but how common is this compated to internal medicine. Lastly is it possible hospitalists will be exclusively done by internal med in 5-10 years. I have heard it is diffficult for some fam doctors to get admitting privileges. Thus the future of family is exclusively outpatient.
 
Is it true that jobs in big cities for hospitalists are exclusively under internal medicine? I know hospitalist positions are open for family medicine but how common is this compated to internal medicine. Lastly is it possible hospitalists will be exclusively done by internal med in 5-10 years. I have heard it is diffficult for some fam doctors to get admitting privileges. Thus the future of family is exclusively outpatient.

You're really asking several questions here.

The issue of hospital privileges and obtaining a job as a hospitalist are two different things. Both are location-dependent. The issue really isn't one of "big city" vs. other locales. It's usually a question of the availability of qualified candidates to fill positions, along with the biases of those responsible for hiring.

My group hires both internists and family physicians as hospitalists. Most of them are FPs.

As for the future, there's nothing on the horizon that would change things as they exist today, other than the desire of people to do exclusively hospital work. Regardless of what you might believe from reading SDN, it's actually getting harder to recruit people who want to be hospitalists, from what we've seen. Consequently, we're using a "hybrid" model, where most of them do some outpatient medicine as well.
 
Of the 24 residents who finished the program I was most recently associated with, 9 are now hospitalists, 7 are practicing traditional FM, 3 are working in ER's, 4 are working in outpatient only/urgent care settings, and 1 is in a fellowship. Who knows what the future will bring, but FM is extremely versatile. There are some groups who hire only IM grads, but overall, these opportunities are not going away... even in larger cities.
 
a couple family docs have become fellows in hospitalist medicine. I am not sure how, as this aricle states that it is an I.M. track.
 
Hey I think that this is actually good. I think ABFM is finally starting to realize that giving in and providing some certification for subspecialties is vital to the survival of FM as a speciality. Being boarded in hospital medicine doesn't make you a better hospitalist, just offers you the recognition that is required to practice as hospitalist when everyone around is all of a sudden "board certified" and you are not. I love the full spectrum of FM practice but there are things that I think I would feel more comfortable doing after an extra year of fellowship and it would be great if these fellowships ended with a certification that means something.
 
LMAO!!!

"At the close of the update, Dr. Gorman asked the audience if they favored the certification process they had just been briefed on. In an impressive display, the hands of literally all of the roughly 1,000 attendees shot up. When she next inquired who was not interested in utilizing the certification process, not a single hand could be seen."

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb4365/is_12_40/ai_n29428388/?tag=content;col1
 
If possession of the recognition demonstrates that you possess competency, does absence of the recognition imply that I am not competent?

The saving grace in this new recognition is that it's a "RFP"... meaning that you have to be practicing as a hospitalist before you can be eligible to take the MOC modules to get your RFP certificate. So, at least the proposal doesn't explicitly push out family physicians from hospitalist positions. There are plenty of internists who don't do hospital medicine and plenty of family physicians who do. If, in the future, employers are going to be picky about whom they hire (i.e. those with this RFP), at least the RFP equally discriminates between FM's and IM's who do hospital medicine and FM's and IM's who don't.

While yet another assault on generalist medicine, it could've been worse.
 
Low budget, I agree with you, it is another assault on generalist medicine but I think that it was a necessary response on part of the ABFM to join ABIM in recognizing this hospitalist certification. I think just ignoring the problem and hopping that we can practice as hospitalists in the future when all of a sudden "HOSPITALIST" boarded is the new requirement for all the hospitalist jobs out there would be a grave mistake.
 
Low budget, I agree with you, it is another assault on generalist medicine but I think that it was a necessary response on part of the ABFM to join ABIM in recognizing this hospitalist certification. I think just ignoring the problem and hopping that we can practice as hospitalists in the future when all of a sudden "HOSPITALIST" boarded is the new requirement for all the hospitalist jobs out there would be a grave mistake.

There is one interesting consequence. When you graduate from residency (IM or FM), your ability to obtain this RFP in Hospital Medicine depends on your ability to get a hospitalist position. This totally subverts the stronghold that academia has on board certifications. See, right now in order to be board certified in any specialty, you have to train in the residency/fellowship and take a test to get the certificate. That can only happen in academia, which means your (a candidate's) fate lies in the hands of program directors & admissions committees and standards. But with the RFP thing, it's your experience in the real world that opens the gateway to certification. So your fate now lies in the hands of a hiring employer or partnership... it's up to the free market. In a way, the RFP pathway codifies the "grandfathering" approach (where people can obtain certifications without structured training but instead through clinical experience). I think it undercuts the academic medical center and all the political bullsh*t that happens there. Huge gamble on the part of ABIM, who currently hold a stronghold in academic medical centers. I think FP's will stand to gain while IM's try to sort out who's qualified to work inside and outside the hospital.

Lastly, if RFP's become a trend (where you gain certifications through experience, self-study CME, test modules, and practice audits), we'll see a decline in people who choose "cognitive" fellowships (ID, endo) with people instead seeking fellowships in order to gain procedural expertise:

"Criteria for Focused Recognition through Maintenance of Certification (MOC):...

Proficiency or expertise can be gained through rigorous demonstration of self-directed,
continuous learning and self-evaluation of practice over time, and does not require direct
observation of technical procedures or skills that can only be achieved through formal
residency or fellowship training. " http://www.ccimreport.org/pdf/nedim-2-report.pdf

I hate seeing a proliferation of over-certifying (it's like the nurses list 5 bagillion degrees after their names)... but if it is inevitable of the trend is going to go this way, and the ABIM is trying to jump start that movement, I hope the ABFM is wise enough to jump on board rather than get shut out.
 
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Low budget, perfectly put. Thanks for the RFP clarification. I am also happy that ABFM is jumping on board and not getting left in the dust.
 
Lori Heim, M.D., newly installed president of the AAFP, in her address to its convention today:
Last year, I told you about my change from a military practice to private practice. As a result of the election last year, I’ve gone through yet another practice change and I am now a hospitalist which has expanded my perspective. I see the patients who don’t have a doctor and whose medical treatment becomes far more expensive. A recent night I admitted a young man with a blood pressure of 223/111 who presented to the ER because of weakness. Of course he now has complications of that long standing hypertension that easily could have been treated and managed if he had insurance. Before that, was a previously undiagnosed diabetic with the same circumstances. He ended up in the ICU for a few days. How can that be good or effective care?

I’ve also had the opportunity to talk to the community physicians about why they aren’t coming to the hospital and how we can improve the care of our mutual patients. For some of them, if we improve payment, they may be able to incorporate hospital care again when they don’t feel like they are running on the hamster wheel.
Address of the President-Elect [pdf file] (Lori Heim, delivered October 12, 2009)
via the wonderful STFM Hospital Medicine and Procedures Yahoo! Group
 
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