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Agreed. He has kicked butt.I have to say, I really admire the career you have put together for yourself. Very impressive- SDG, FSED, real estate. You should give a seminar, it's so amazing.
Agreed. He has kicked butt.I have to say, I really admire the career you have put together for yourself. Very impressive- SDG, FSED, real estate. You should give a seminar, it's so amazing.
$210/hr nocturnist at full partner?Man, am I just getting screwed?
210/hr dedicated nocturinst
Group pays all benefits (no premiums for me)
Full partner
Mid-Atlantic
Frequently see 3+ pph including mid levels (many of whom are useless and the amount of supervision they require does not benefit me at all)
Actually some luck, made plenty of mistakes on the way, and nothing special that many EM docs could not do with the high income/plenty of off days.I have to say, I really admire the career you have put together for yourself. Very impressive- SDG, FSED, real estate. You should give a seminar, it's so amazing.
Full partner making 210/hr seeing 3pph as a nocturnist? Either you have the worse payer mix, or some other higher partner is making all the money. How do you even find non partners seeing 3pph + APCs making less than 210/hr.Man, am I just getting screwed?
210/hr dedicated nocturinst
Group pays all benefits (no premiums for me)
Full partner
Mid-Atlantic
Frequently see 3+ pph including mid levels (many of whom are useless and the amount of supervision they require does not benefit me at all)
Full partner making 210/hr seeing 3pph as a nocturnist? Either you have the worse payer mix, or some other higher partner is making all the money. How do you even find non partners seeing 3pph + APCs making less than 210/hr.
Man, am I just getting screwed?
210/hr dedicated nocturinst
Group pays all benefits (no premiums for me)
Full partner
Mid-Atlantic
Frequently see 3+ pph including mid levels (many of whom are useless and the amount of supervision they require does not benefit me at all)
Put your notice in today.Man, am I just getting screwed?
210/hr dedicated nocturinst
Group pays all benefits (no premiums for me)
Full partner
Mid-Atlantic
Frequently see 3+ pph including mid levels (many of whom are useless and the amount of supervision they require does not benefit me at all)
Got a job for me 🤔Put your notice in today.
Agreed. If you are actually a full partner, you should be able to see where every cent that comes into the practice goes. This includes being able to see exactly how much all the other partners are getting paid as well.As we've shown, a lot can go into this. If you're a full partner then you should have access to the books so you can answer your own question. I'm never surprised at the number of partners who couldn't tell you the first thing about their group's (in which they are an owner) finances.
Man, am I just getting screwed?
210/hr dedicated nocturinst
Group pays all benefits (no premiums for me)
Full partner
Mid-Atlantic
Frequently see 3+ pph including mid levels (many of whom are useless and the amount of supervision they require does not benefit me at all)
$210/hr nocturnist at full partner?
Terrible, even with benefits.
Do you have a like an amazing defined benefit retirement plan or something?210/hr dedicated nocturinst
Group pays all benefits (no premiums for me)
Full partner
Mid-Atlantic
Frequently see 3+ pph including mid levels (many of whom are useless and the amount of supervision they require does not benefit me at all)
Man, am I just getting screwed?
210/hr dedicated nocturinst
Group pays all benefits (no premiums for me)
Full partner
Mid-Atlantic
Frequently see 3+ pph including mid levels (many of whom are useless and the amount of supervision they require does not benefit me at all)
A true SDG should always be willing to tell you what the average partner makes hourly. If they won’t, then it’s a red flag.Question for the hive. Current PGY3 interviewing at multiple SDG’s. Every group is pretty coy about post partner earnings but very up front about partner tracks, hourly pay. What sort of bump in pay could I reasonably expect per hr/month/year after partner? Okay with low estimates I just honestly have no idea and can’t get straight answers. Let’s say base average is ~220 per/hr for discussion sake
Point taken. All three groups come well vetted by my program leadership, former employees since moved, and current program grads so I feel risk of predatory SDG is low.A true SDG should always be willing to tell you what the average partner makes hourly. If they won’t, then it’s a red flag.
Ask one of the people who left. They should tell you how much. Imo a decent sdg partner is making at least $300/hr but some make way less. Usually due to a mix of being poorly run and/bad payer mix.Point taken. All three groups come well vetted by my program leadership, former employees since moved, and current program grads so I feel risk of predatory SDG is low.
$210/hr seems pretty good for the Mid-Atlantic. Do you get to set your own schedule? Typically nocturnists either get a pay bump or get to assign their own shifts. If you're not getting either, than you probably are being screwed.Man, am I just getting screwed?
210/hr dedicated nocturinst
Group pays all benefits (no premiums for me)
Full partner
Mid-Atlantic
Frequently see 3+ pph including mid levels (many of whom are useless and the amount of supervision they require does not benefit me at all)
I'm a nocturnist.
Old job: 1040 for USACS, rural CA shop, 1.5--2pph, $200/h nominal but actual $180/h for past 6 months due to USACS RVU skimming, no benefits
New job: W-2 hospital-employed, small Northeastern city, 2pph, $250/h plus benefits
This is tough for sure. Many of the higher paying groups don’t want people to know what they make and keep this as a secret. My old group had in our contract that they would fine you 25k if you discussed what we made to anyone but your spouse. Had your spouse sign the same fwiw.I should clarify. If you are offered a position and they still won't tell you what partners make, then I think that is a red flag. It's not truly democratic if group compensation isn't transparent. It's concerning for a malignant non-democratic group. Well compensated groups likely won't want to fully disclose group finances to all prospective applicants and make publicly available. Very similar to how private companies aren't open book to the public.
Lets make up a job.. You are in a city and maybe there are 2 SDGs and 5 CMG jobs.I mean I get the desire not to advertise your income but I don't see a reason to hide it from potential new partners.
To be honest those aren't the kind of people I'd want for partners if I had the chance to choose between multiple jobs.
It does put you at risk. It’s not just the CMG who will know you may have a great grasp on your contract. But if the hospital hears this they could ask you to help them with the hospitalists which would be both a financial nightmare as well as a HR disaster.When I interviewed, it was about 50/50 for SDGa giving me pay figures. I understood why. I agree with Ectopic. If you're making ridiculous money, it's no one's business. Typically they would quote percentile for MGMA. "You'll make 99th percentile for MGMA" which was more than adequate. I don't think our compensation should be out in the wild willy nilly.