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Six to eight years of living in a place is typically long enough to see a return on buying a house versus renting a house/apartment. Of course, with an MSTP stipend of <$30k, most of the cities with programs will be too expensive to buy a place anywhere near campus.

Has anyone else looked at the house buying situation? Has anyone done it? What cities does it end up working well in?
 
Really good question! I've been thinking about the same thing. 7.5 - 8 years in a place (average MD/PhD completion time) is too long, in my opinion, to be paying money and be gaining nothing (renting). When it comes time to decide where to go for school, I will certainly have this consideration in mind, but I too, wonder how realistic it is. I figure now would be as good a time as any to buy a house because of the bottomed-out prices, but that advantage might be lessened by the increased difficulty of obtaining a mortgage. If anyone has any experience with buying a house on an MSTP paycheck, please tell us your experience.
 
Very common in Baltimore cause houses are cheaper than the rest of the east coast and so many people end up staying on for residency. The biggest hurdle, of course, is the down payment, and it really helps if your family can pony up some cash up front. A few people have set up a great arrangement where they buy a house with a room or two more than they personally need, then have their MD/PhD or MD classmates sublet. In university towns there's almost always classmates looking for a cheap ride until you move in with that special someone or move on to a different town.

Beware, however, a house is more than just an apartment you own. The costs and time for maintenance are so much more than you anticipate, so buying vs. renting is not as clear-cut of a choice as it seems (particularly as houses are no longer the equity cash-cows they used to be). I'd reccomend waiting a year or two, saving up/borrowing some cash, getting to know your new city, and waiting until a research summer when you have more time to go through all the new house hassle. I can't speak to the ease with which one can get a loan these days.

I'm sorry I can't be more specific cause I haven't done it myself, just seen many of my classmates do it, but hopefully those tidbits can get the ball rolling.
 
Thanks JHop. It's encouraging to know that some students actually do this. You're very right about the maintenance of a house. One of the advantages of renting is that the upkeep is not primarily your responsibility. So one person alone running a house is not a very smart idea, but together with a gf/bf or a good friend, getting a house and keeping it in order might not be as bad.

I think your advice about waiting a while is sound as well. I'd like to survey the scene first, see what's available, learn about what's a good and bad part of town, then make a choice about buying a house. The down payment, as you say, is the tough part, but hopefully I can persuade my parents to help out with that.
 
Family money or very small POS in a bad part of town. I hope you have the former.

I've seen classmates move into nice places without significant family money involved, as far as I know (some of them had worked previously, one got a grant and also teamed up with a long-time friend, but yes, it would be hard for a straight-out-of-college no-savings-whatsoever person to do it without family help). Again, Baltimore real estate is different from California or Boston, but there's a lot of MD-PhD programs in cheaper markets, and if you can get someone to help with the mortgage there are ways to overcome the money up front (and there are still low-money down mortgages out there, weird as it may seem, but beware, for obvious reasons). I've looked into this a lot, but I'm just not ready to make the leap because I'm renting a cheap, brand new townhouse right now and like calling up my landlady whenever I need something.

ut together with a gf/bf or a good friend, getting a house and keeping it in order might not be as bad.

Rule #1: NEVER, EVER MOVE IN WITH A BF/GF YOU DON'T PLAN ON MARRYING!!! 🙂

But if your parents are up for it, you're halfway there. Now find a subletter, and see if you can get a loan.
 
Of the places I've interviewed, you could probably buy a place in St. Louis, Dallas, or Houston. Maybe Nashville. The rest of them (Seattle, Chicago), no chance without prior money.
 
When I visited Baylor last January for a MD/PhD development workshop, they emphasized that the cheapness of living in Houston. This is actually what got me thinking about housing. That ~ 30K MSTP stipend could allow one to live quite well in a place like Houston or Atlanta, whereas in NYC, that'd get you a little cubicle on the upper upper westside and maybe some leftover for food once in a while. So, I second Houston.
 
Obviously in NY you rent rather than buy, especially cause a lot of the schools offer subsidized housing, which is a huge perk for some people - living in Manhattan on the cheap. Not my style (that city is just a little too much for an innocent little boy like me), but I figured that since we're talking about cities I'd throw that in for some of the people looking to apply in the next year or two (I recently had to reassure a friend that, yes, you can afford to live in New York if you get subsidized housing, though you still won't be living the high life).

As other posters have been mentioning, it really is city dependent.
 
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