How bad does a 518 hurt you post interview at T20s?

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Phew! Thanks for clarifying. I've been a longtime lurker, so I'm still trying to sort out who's serious and who's not haha
Best advice:
@Goro, @gonnif, @LizzyM, @gyngyn, @Moko, @OrthoTraumaMD, @Catalystik, @wysdoc if the post is about Texas

Middle advice:
@Lucca, @Matthew9Thirtyfive, @Lawper, @AnatomyGrey12, @ciestar

hit or miss:
@MemeLord, @EmbryonalCarcinoma, @gyngyn if he is telling you to shave, @ThrowawayShmoaway, @Cornfed101, @Seihai, @whodidiforgethelpme

Everyone else varies on different levels depending on the specific context of the post and anecdotes.

These are my observations and I am likely forgetting/leaving out a ****load of users that are just not coming to mind.

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Thank you everyone for this! SDN and Reddit can be so stressful, so it's really great having people bring everything into perspective! Good luck to everyone and thanks for taking the time to post!
 
Yeah the sdn pool is a highly self selected pool of people and does not in any way reflect the overall applicant pool.
By definition, as the MCAT is standardized, the 518+ crowd is a minority. I dont think OP is a troll, but reflects how on sdn 518 can be a travesty and a cause for some deep concern. Maybe bc everyone here wants to gun for a T20. Totally reasonable to aim high but I dont think it should discourage you as there are lots of seats to go around. As long as you have a well rounded app, your MCAT improvement will speak for itself and I think you will get at least several interviews!🙂
Thank you so much for the kind words! I'll come hunt you down if I don't get multiple interviews haha
 
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Thank you so much for the kind words! I'll come hunt you down if I don't get multiple interviews haha

My 16th AMCAS activity is looking into the future. Haha I think as long as your school list isn’t too narrow you will do well. Best wishes to everyone on this forum. Even the invisible lurkers! Im counting on you too!
 
Thank you! I am definitely proud (still in shock, too!). I got a 503 the first time I took it, so I'm still pinching myself hah. Seeing posts like this always adds some perspective about who I'm up against for admission, though. 🙁

Damn 514? I'm trying to get my practice tests up to a 510 range...
 
Damn 514? I'm trying to get my practice tests up to a 510 range...
What are your subscores? PS can be raised by 2-4 points literally in like 2 weeks at three hours a day with just the KA 100 page. Unfortunately, brute force is the best PS strategy...and this from a guy who hates memorization (and blames lack of memorization on his PS score being 2 points lower than everything else).
 
Damn 514? I'm trying to get my practice tests up to a 510 range...
Don't give up! I was stuck in the 507-510 range on 3rd party tests for MONTHS. I ended up taking AAMC FL 1 a total of 3 times (once before my first MCAT, one in the middle of prep for my second test, and finally a few months later a week before my 2nd MCAT). I finally hit a 514 the last time I took it. I went in cautiously optimistic and even vomitted (probably from nerves) on test day. As many people say, trust your FLs (but only AAMC ones!). If you want any suggestions/specific recs, let me know! I'm happy to help! I believe in you!

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What are your subscores? PS can be raised by 2-4 points literally in like 2 weeks at three hours a day with just the KA 100 page. Unfortunately, brute force is the best PS strategy...and this from a guy who hates memorization (and blames lack of memorization on his PS score being 2 points lower than everything else).

LOL they're awful

Don't give up! I was stuck in the 507-510 range on 3rd party tests for MONTHS. I ended up taking AAMC FL 1 a total of 3 times (once before my first MCAT, one in the middle of prep for my second test, and finally a few months later a week before my 2nd MCAT). I finally hit a 514 the last time I took it. I went in cautiously optimistic and even vomitted (probably from nerves) on test day. As many people say, trust your FLs (but only AAMC ones!). If you want any suggestions/specific recs, let me know! I'm happy to help! I believe in you!

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Thanks guy
 
Best advice:
@Goro, @gonnif, @LizzyM, @gyngyn, @Moko, @OrthoTraumaMD, @Catalystik, @wysdoc if the post is about Texas

Middle advice:
@Lucca, @Matthew9Thirtyfive, @Lawper, @AnatomyGrey12, @ciestar

hit or miss:
@MemeLord, @EmbryonalCarcinoma, @gyngyn if he is telling you to shave, @ThrowawayShmoaway, @Cornfed101. @whodidiforgethelpme

Everyone else varies on different levels depending on the specific context of the post and anecdotes.

These are my observations and I am likely forgetting/leaving out a ****load of users that are just not coming to mind.
I'm honored to have made MemeLord's Top Twenty. 😀
 
Your advice is solid, you are always calm, you never put down premeds for their idiocy, and so on. One might say, "Who's a good boy? YOU ARE!"

LOLLLLL I laughed way harder at that than I should have!
 
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LOL they're awful



Thanks guy

Ok, I know you may not want my advice, but here are some of the things I did that REALLY helped get my score up:

I made a master excel/google doc and kept track of all of the FLs/SBs I did. I kept track of every single question I missed, wrote down the subject/topic, why I missed it, what I could do in the future to get it right. During content review, I also noted whether or not I had already gone over the topic or not. This helped keep things in perspective as I definitely missed more questions for areas I hadn't gone over yet. Keeping track of the subjects helped me pay EXTRA close attention to those areas in content review. You've already come so far in your journey, and you probably remember random things that you don't even realize. This is just a great visual tool to keep track of it all.

Do practice problems! I really liked certain 3rd party exams, AAMC FLs, AAMC SB (I didn't do the question packs, because those are supposedly outdated from the old MCAT, but by all means, if you've got the time, give them a shot). I also did CARS practice as often as I could. Try to read dense things online (science journals/news/etc).

C/P - This was my worst section (consistently) on my 3rd party and AAMC FLs. Somehow, a miracle happened on test day and it turned out to be one of my top sections. I despise physics with a PASSION, and kept feeling like I didn't know exactly which formulas to use when even though I did pretty well in my classes. Look up streamline MCAT (the link should be floating around on MCAT Reddit or here). I went through the C/P equations daily for probably the last month (or longer) and learned them in chunks. For me, if I could remember the formula, it meant that I also knew WHEN and HOW to use it. I think this is what saved me for this section. It was basically a methodical way of approaching all of the information you have to know. By the time test day rolled around, I could sit down and write out all of the equations. Did I actually use any of these on test day? Maybe a few? By taking practice tests, you'll start to see certain topics come up over and over again. Definitely focus on how to get these right!

CARS - I'm a non-trad with a non-science background, so this was my area of least concern. My score didn't actually change between the 2 tests, but I was happy with the score. I still practiced, though. Figure out a way that helps you keep track of where the information is in the passage (broad strokes type of stuff). Remember that you can always refer back to the passage (and probably should to avoid making any assumptions).

B/B - Learn the major metabolic pathways, and know your AAs. This will help you a TON.

P/SI agree with @MemeLord - if you're not already using the KA 100 page p/s doc, stop what you're doing and get that. I used the 86 page doc and found that to be just as helpful (and slightly less overwhelming). Even if you just read the doc once (but actively read it/underline/highlight/etc.), that should definitely help bring up P/S.

Good luck and let me know if you have any questions!
 
These are my observations and I am likely forgetting/leaving out a ****load of users that are just not coming to mind.

I'm shocked you didn't have a section called "Trash advice from trash people" with me as part of it.
 
Nah, but I will totally retroactively add you to the hot or miss

No, you should definitely make a section called "horrible advice-givers" and put me in it.

That’s how I interpreted “hit or miss.” He just forgot to tag you, too.

Hit-or-miss is too nice of a categorization for me 😉
 
do yourself a solid and go to MSAR and look at a school's 10/25/50/75/90 percentile MCAT for MATRICULATED students and NOT all accepted. These tend to be lower, some by a few points but almost always by at least 1 point. If anything, it will make you feel better 🙂
 
do yourself a solid and go to MSAR and look at a school's 10/25/50/75/90 percentile MCAT for MATRICULATED students and NOT all accepted. These tend to be lower, some by a few points but almost always by at least 1 point. If anything, it will make you feel better 🙂

Wait, so what is the best way of gauging out chances? The Accepted stats (which are lower)?
 
Wait, so what is the best way of gauging out chances? The Accepted stats (which are lower)?
Accepted stats are usually higher than matriculated stats - they tell you what the school wants. Matriculated tells you what they end up with.

If matriculated stats are significantly lower than the accepted stats then that tells you that a sufficient amount of students found the school to be unsatisfactory when compared to their other acceptances. Matriculated stats will also give you a better approximation of the low end stats the school tolerates.
 
If matriculated stats are significantly lower than the accepted stats then that tells you that a sufficient amount of students found the school to be unsatisfactory when compared to their other acceptances.

Not necessarily. I believe MSAR takes BS/MD students into account. Some schools (such as SLU) have BS/MD conditions that don’t stipulate a specific MCAT score. These students can score a 500 and still be ok. So they severely lessen the median MCAT for matriculates since they all matriculate.
 
Not necessarily. I believe MSAR takes BS/MD students into account. Some schools (such as SLU) have BS/MD conditions that don’t stipulate a specific MCAT score. These students can score a 500 and still be ok. So they severely lessen the median MCAT for matriculates since they all matriculate.
The quantity of BS/MD can't be sufficient enough to shift the median, I would imagine? It can definitely shift a mean, but not a median?
 
The quantity of BS/MD can't be sufficient enough to shift the median, I would imagine? It can definitely shift a mean, but not a median?

It would be influenced by other factors, such as if a school takes a very large range of MCATS to account for URM, legacy, military, etc.
 
Wait, so what is the best way of gauging out chances? The Accepted stats (which are lower)?
Estimate acceptees to be 2x the number of seats.

BTW, chances of being accepted are 100% on you.

All we can estimate are your chances of getting IIs.
 
Best advice:
@Goro, @gonnif, @LizzyM, @gyngyn, @Moko, @OrthoTraumaMD, @Catalystik, @wysdoc if the post is about Texas

Middle advice:
@Lucca, @Matthew9Thirtyfive, @Lawper, @AnatomyGrey12, @ciestar

hit or miss:
@MemeLord, @EmbryonalCarcinoma, @gyngyn if he is telling you to shave, @ThrowawayShmoaway, @Cornfed101, @Seihai, @whodidiforgethelpme

Everyone else varies on different levels depending on the specific context of the post and anecdotes.

These are my observations and I am likely forgetting/leaving out a ****load of users that are just not coming to mind.

Thanks!! I don’t know if my advice is always good, but I guarantee it’s always honest.
 
I feel post-interview that is certainly adequate.

harvards average is or was recently a 517
 
I feel post-interview that is certainly adequate.

harvards average is or was recently a 517
I think it would be important to note that it's possible that Harvard is especially looking for things like unique life stories/tight narratives/thematic apps, etc. and that people who are lacking a little in those areas may be able to compensate with higher scores (on top of, of course, having many other solid parameters).
 
SDN always brings me back to earth. I felt SO great after getting a 514 on my retake...then I come here to find people worrying about getting in with a 518. Premeds are obviously the life of any party!
pack your sunscreen buddy. I am right there with you score-wise. Let me know if you need a roomie down in the Caribbean.
 
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