How can I improve for likely re-app?

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So I am still sitting on complete silence from 19/24 schools that I applied to. I'm emotionally preparing myself for needing to reapply. If I need to reapply, I'm looking at skipping the next cycle and applying in the 2021/2022 cycle. Given all of this, I would greatly appreciate a postmortem on my application. All thoughts and opinions will be accepted, just let me down gently. Please tell me what I can do better for 2021/2022!
Let me know if you have any questions or need more info!
EDIT: I forgot to add this -- I am unable to take more classes to improve my GPA. This is for financial reasons and the fact that I have over 230 credits, so it would take many classes to move my GPA in a meaningful way.

  • cGPA/sGPA/aoGPA: 3.64/3.52/3.93
    • High-school CC dual-credit: 3.84
    • Year 1: 3.92
    • Year 2: 3.43
    • Year 3: 3.23
    • Year 4: 3.79
  • MCAT score(s) and breakdown: 510 (129/126/127/128)
  • State of residence: OR with personal and family ties to NY and VT
  • Ethnicity and/or race: White, non-Hispanic
  • Undergraduate institution or category: Public 4-year of no particular prestige
  • Clinical experience (volunteer and non-volunteer):
    • Volunteer at an outpatient diabetes and endocrinology clinic associated with my state medical school (210 hours, ongoing): Marked as one of my MMEs. I briefly discussed my personal interest in diabetes and access to healthcare/nutrition. I followed this with info and a story about my participation in the clinic's food insecurity program where I directly interact with patients to give them information and resources to meet their nutritional needs. Since I've applied, there will be more information to add regarding helping the clinic establish a partnership with a CSA to have produce available for patients.
    • Paid scribe for a colon and rectal surgeon (900 hours): Discussed how the role has given me more insight into the roles and responsibilities of a physician and their interactions with patients.
    • Receptionist for a neurosurgery clinic (400 hours, ongoing): This is something I have begun in the past few months (after I submitted to AMCAS) as I wanted to get more exposure with another specialty/clinic and to make more money. It has given me a much better understanding to how our healthcare system functions. I do have a quite a bit of patient interaction because I am taking many calls from patients and performing triage for patient's medical needs.
  • Research experience and productivity:
    • Biology undergraduate research assistant (900 hours): Marked as one of my MMEs. I was honest and described most of my duties as maintaining the animals our lab worked with. But I talked a lot about how the experience was meaningful to me because it led to some good friendships and taught me about teamwork, resiliency, and dedication. I also mentioned how it showed me that I really needed to be working in a social environment and that I want to be working directly with patients/clients instead of individually in a lab.
    • Undergraduate honors thesis (250 hours): Independent and self-led project in the lab I mentioned above. I designed and executed the project, wrote a thesis, and successfully defended it in front of a three-person committee. Also presented my research at my school's annual Undergraduate Research Symposium.
    • Medical research volunteer (120 hours): volunteered for 3-months at a medical research lab associated with my state's medical school. I briefly discussed some of the skills I learned and a project I designed using the skills I learned in the lab.
  • Shadowing experience and specialties represented:
    • Private practice PCP: 44 hours
    • HMO PCP: 8 hours
    • Hospital pediatric endocrinologist: 3 hours
  • Non-clinical volunteering:
    • Citizenship program volunteer (75 hours, ongoing): Briefly discussed my role in teaching civics/history to students and conducting mock interviews. I also went into a little detail about how I enjoy learning about the students' lives and hearing about their experiencing coming to the US or their journey on becoming a citizen.
    • Volunteer pharmacy technician (215 hours): Talked about how this position involved working with underserved populations and helped me become more curious about the diseases/conditions behind the medications I was helping to dispense.
    • Undergraduate laboratory tutor (80 hours): One term as an in-class lab tutor for a general biology class. Mostly just talked about how I got satisfaction about helping others learn/understand complex concept.
  • Other extracurricular activities (including athletics, military service, gap year activities, leadership, teaching, etc):
    • Student Health Coordinator (200 hours): Marked as MME. Summer job where I was a health educator for new students at my university. Taught them about contraception, immunizations, access to healthcare, and insurance. I talked in-depth how this was personally fulfilling because I had my own anxieties about managing my healthcare as a new student, so it was nice to educate other students and relieve them of their own worries.
    • Student Health Advisory Committee (150 hours): Member of the committee for two years, educating students about healthcare on campus and giving students' input to the health center's administration. Also played a large role in the committee's recruitment process, helping to revamp the application process and actively increasing the diversity of students on the committee.
  • Letters of Recommendation:
    • Biology professor who taught me in one upper-division biology class and whose lab I worked in for two years and did my thesis in. He and his wife/research partner fund a scholarship at my state medical school.
    • Biology professor who I took one genetics class with. I was a lab tutor for her class for one term, at her request.
    • Honors college literature professor I took two classes with. I spoke with her many times while taking her classes and I feel like she would've written a good letter even though we didn't know each other more personally.
    • Surgeon I scribed for. He did his residency at my state medical school.
    • My supervisor from my time as a Student Health Coordinator; she was also the adviser for the Student Health Advisory Committee.
    • Volunteer supervisor for the diabetes/endocrinology clinic associated with my state medical school.
  • Relevant honors or awards:
    • $20,000 scholarship from my university, based on high school academics
    • $1,000 scholarship from local hospital, based on academics, recommendations, and volunteerism
    • Award from Student Health Advisory Committee for having a positive impact on the committee
  • Anything else not listed you think might be important
    • Discussed my interest and passion for architecture
    • Discussed how I was training my dog to be a therapy animal in the hospital. Unfortunately, I haven't had my dog tested and certified yet because I'm afraid he'll fail for being "too friendly."
  • Schools applied to (all complete by early-August, under 2-week turnaround)
    • Albany
    • Buffalo
    • Colorado
    • Creighton
    • Eastern Virginia
    • Georgetown (pre-II rejection)
    • George Washington (pre-II rejection)
    • Jefferson
    • Loyola
    • Medical College of Wisconsin ("small pool" email, aka hold)
    • New York Medical College
    • Oregon Health & Science University
    • Oakland Beaumont
    • Quinnipiac
    • Rosalind Franklin
    • Rush
    • Seton Hall
    • Temple
    • Toledo
    • Tufts (pre-II rejection)
    • Vermont
    • Virginia Commonwealth
    • Wake Forest (pre-II rejection)
    • Wayne State
 
You should add DO schools to your list, and should had it this cycle as well, also work on non clinical volunteering with disadvantaged population
Isn't it too late to do DO? Also don't have that kind of money right now....
 
Personal statement or maybe your secondaries might be holding you back. Ask friends/family as well as pre-med advisors to read your writing and give non-biased feedback. I improved my writing from last cycle and got a few IIs, granted last cycle was only MD for me.
 
Personal statement or maybe your secondaries might be holding you back. Ask friends/family as well as pre-med advisors to read your writing and give non-biased feedback. I improved my writing from last cycle and got a few IIs, granted last cycle was only MD for me.
I was thinking it has to be my writing. If that's the case, I'm a little disappointed. I worked 6 months on my PS with the help of at least a half-dozen other people (SDN, pre-med Reddit, friends, and pre-med adviser). Then I had a handful of friends and people online read a lot of my secondaries, particularly my state medical school.
 
EDIT: I forgot to add this -- I am unable to take more classes to improve my GPA. This is for financial reasons and the fact that I have over 230 credits, so it would take many classes to move my GPA in a meaningful way.
  • cGPA/sGPA/aoGPA: 3.64/3.52/3.93
    • High-school CC dual-credit: 3.84
    • Year 1: 3.92
    • Year 2: 3.43
    • Year 3: 3.23
    • Year 4: 3.79
This GPA trend gives me some pause. It's unclear if this represents a turnaround vs the academic version of a dead cat bounce. If you do need to reapply, some part-time upper division classes while working can help put some of these concerns to rest. It's the trend that matters, not the absolute change in GPA. Definitely agree with applying to DO schools next cycle, and to have the prerequisite experiences ready-to-go (e.g DO shadowing, a DO letter, etc, which are required by some schools). Prepping an application for AACOMAS now is considered late. @Goro and @Faha can give you a much more knowledgeable assessment based on your academics and extracurricular experiences.
 
This GPA trend gives me some pause. It's unclear if this represents a turnaround vs the academic version of a dead cat bounce. If you do need to reapply, some part-time upper division classes while working can help put some of these concerns to rest. It's the trend that matters, not the absolute change in GPA. Definitely agree with applying to DO schools next cycle, and to have the prerequisite experiences ready-to-go (e.g DO shadowing, a DO letter, etc, which are required by some schools). Prepping an application for AACOMAS now is considered late. @Goro and @Faha can give you a much more knowledgeable assessment based on your academics and extracurricular experiences.

I would love to hear from @Goro and @Faha as well.

If it helps you determine turnaround versus bounce, the jump the last year was all from upper-division science classes. The only non-science classes I took that year were one literature course and one public speaking course. But I have typically been taking 3-4 literature/history classes a year.

All of the PCP shadowing were with DOs and I have a letter from an MD. I know some schools are picky, but others aren’t.

Would my chances really be much better with DO? I was honestly just going MD-only as to not limit possible interests in specialty. But I suppose my desire to be a physician is stronger than being a dermatologist or orthopedic surgeon.
 
Would my chances really be much better with DO? I was honestly just going MD-only as to not limit possible interests in specialty. But I suppose my desire to be a physician is stronger than being a dermatologist or orthopedic surgeon.
Yes, you have great chances for DO. It is too late to add DO schools now, you should had it initially when you applied. Get more hours with underserving, get DO LOR, and apply early to at least 6 DO schools next time. Good luck! I would also rewrite all essays.
 
I would love to hear from @Goro and @Faha as well.

If it helps you determine turnaround versus bounce, the jump the last year was all from upper-division science classes. The only non-science classes I took that year were one literature course and one public speaking course. But I have typically been taking 3-4 literature/history classes a year.

All of the PCP shadowing were with DOs and I have a letter from an MD. I know some schools are picky, but others aren’t.

Would my chances really be much better with DO? I was honestly just going MD-only as to not limit possible interests in specialty. But I suppose my desire to be a physician is stronger than being a dermatologist or orthopedic surgeon.
Agree 100% with our learned Moko.
 
Agree 100% with our learned Moko.
Would you also encourage retaking some upper-division science classes?

EDIT:
So I was doing some thinking in regards to how to improve my GPA. This is what I came up with and wanted to know if either were good:

1. ⁠Get my MPH at my local university which is affiliated with my state medical school. Obviously the more expensive option, but it would possibly give me the ability to have another career if medicine truly doesn't work out. I would know if I would want to do healthcare management or public health practice, though. In addition to cost deterring me, I'm also less thrilled with this option because it would require me to get 3 LORs. I know I can get them, I would just feel terrible hitting even more people up for LORs.
2. ⁠My grade dip in sophomore year was exclusively because of organic and general biology (B, B, A- and B, C+, respectively). Maybe I could go to my local CC and retake these classes? If I do this, it could jump my cGPA/sGPA to 3.69/3.62. I know people typically recommend doing these at 4-year schools, but this is obviously more cost-effective.
 
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Would you also encourage retaking some upper-division science classes?

Yes.



1. ⁠Get my MPH at my local university which is affiliated with my state medical school. Obviously the more expensive option, but it would possibly give me the ability to have another career if medicine truly doesn't work out. I would know if I would want to do healthcare management or public health practice, though. In addition to cost deterring me, I'm also less thrilled with this option because it would require me to get 3 LORs. I know I can get them, I would just feel terrible hitting even more people up for LORs.

MPH will not boost your GPA for MD; it will for DO, but I'm not a fan of MPHs due to their lack rigor in coursework.


2. ⁠My grade dip in sophomore year was exclusively because of organic and general biology (B, B, A- and B, C+, respectively). Maybe I could go to my local CC and retake these classes? If I do this, it could jump my cGPA/sGPA to 3.69/3.62. I know people typically recommend doing these at 4-year schools, but this is obviously more cost-effective.

Nope, just take more science courses and show that your FR and SR years are the real you.
 
Would you also encourage retaking some upper-division science classes?

Yes.



1. ⁠Get my MPH at my local university which is affiliated with my state medical school. Obviously the more expensive option, but it would possibly give me the ability to have another career if medicine truly doesn't work out. I would know if I would want to do healthcare management or public health practice, though. In addition to cost deterring me, I'm also less thrilled with this option because it would require me to get 3 LORs. I know I can get them, I would just feel terrible hitting even more people up for LORs.

MPH will not boost your GPA for MD; it will for DO, but I'm not a fan of MPHs due to their lack rigor in coursework.


2. ⁠My grade dip in sophomore year was exclusively because of organic and general biology (B, B, A- and B, C+, respectively). Maybe I could go to my local CC and retake these classes? If I do this, it could jump my cGPA/sGPA to 3.69/3.62. I know people typically recommend doing these at 4-year schools, but this is obviously more cost-effective.

Nope, just take more science courses and show that your FR and SR years are the real you.

So taking organic and biology at my local CC would be sufficient for some post-bacc work and raise my GPA?

Also, any recommendations on the EC front? I feel like I cover a lot of bases, so don’t know if I should change anything or just keep going?
 
So taking organic and biology at my local CC would be sufficient for some post-bacc work and raise my GPA?

Also, any recommendations on the EC front? I feel like I cover a lot of bases, so don’t know if I should change anything or just keep going?
You got a B in Orgo, right? If so, reread my post.
 
You got a B in Orgo, right? If so, reread my post.

Sorry, I misunderstood. I don’t need to retake classes, I just need to take more classes. So if this is the case, I probably need to be doing a 4-year to get more options over the more general stuff of a CC.

But if this is the case, I need to not worry about my GPA, right? Like I just want to show that I can do well, not necessarily care about the number itself
 
Sorry, I misunderstood. I don’t need to retake classes, I just need to take more classes. So if this is the case, I probably need to be doing a 4-year to get more options over the more general stuff of a CC.

But if this is the case, I need to not worry about my GPA, right? Like I just want to show that I can do well, not necessarily care about the number itself
Correct on both counts
 
I'd be happy to look over your PS and secondary for OHSU and provide some feedback. I'm also IS with similar stats and received IIs the past two cycles.
 
Would also be happy to look over your PS and any secondaries.

I think your ECs looks pretty good. With that GPA and MCAT score it may just be hard to stand out from other similar applicants. I would retake but I understand that's not always possible for everyone.

Good luck, stay strong
 
Your non clinical volunteering is very low.

Your app doesn't show passion in any direction and there's nothing to differentiate you from other candidates.

In the event of a reapplication I'd spend time on the single thing you found rewarding with all these activities and spend it in non clinical volunteering. Schools reward service. Particularly schools in your stat range.
 
I'd be happy to look over your PS and secondary for OHSU and provide some feedback. I'm also IS with similar stats and received IIs the past two cycles.
Would also be happy to look over your PS and any secondaries.

I think your ECs looks pretty good. With that GPA and MCAT score it may just be hard to stand out from other similar applicants. I would retake but I understand that's not always possible for everyone.

Good luck, stay strong

Thank you!

I’ll make a Google Doc for the PS and PM you two later today.

As for the secondaries, I’ll send OHSU to you, chaua. Vrazzles, are there any schools on my list you would feel comfortable reading over? Don’t want to swamp you with 24 secondaries, obviously.
Your non clinical volunteering is very low.

Your app doesn't show passion in any direction and there's nothing to differentiate you from other candidates.

In the event of a reapplication I'd spend time on the single thing you found rewarding with all these activities and spend it in non clinical volunteering. Schools reward service. Particularly schools in your stat range.
Really? 370 hours of non-clinical community service is “very low”? When everyone says “at least 100 hours,” thought I had enough, but I guess not.
 
You can send me all and I can send them back in batches. I enjoy reviewing.
 
I agree with the U shape: is this academic record evidence of the ability for a consistent, intense, sustained ability for the education that is medical school. I would also consider an MCAT retake IF AND AND ONLY IF you can really improve by 3 points or more

I’m sorry, your comment about the U-shape is a little unclear to me.

I was considering a retake. I thought the general consensus was don’t retake anything 510+, though. I was scoring higher on all of my AAMC practice tests, though. So I definitely have the capacity to do better.

Edit in regards to the grade trend:
Not that it’s any excuse to adcoms, but my year 2 and 3 grades dipped due to unchecked mental health that dramatically improved after I got help at the end of year 3. Just so those grades have context.
 
Actually this is a good idea, put them all in a google doc and share us on the doc. Same with PS


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Will do! I’ll just make one google doc with the PS and all secondaries for you three!

Thank you for being so helpful! 🙂
 
U shaped : High at each end, low in the middle
Sorry, I meant the significance of the U-shape. The original person who commented stated that it may be rebound or “a dead cat bouncing.” So I’m a little unsure about whether or not this is a hinderance to my goals.
 
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