How competitive are these programs?

[docscience]

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I am from a small middle of the road school and looking to do a 2 year CC fellowship after an IM residency. These are the programs that are offering a 2 year CC fellowship. What kind of board scores would I need for these schools? I only have passes and no honors in preclinical classes. Is this ok for IM? Thanks for the info!

University of New Mexico
University of Washington (really competitive even for IM?)
Baylor (guessing very competitive)
Oregon Health and Science University Program
University of Colorado (very interested, but seems really competitive?)
Mount Sinai
Jackson Memorial Hospital/Jackson Health Systems (Miami)

Looking to go somewhere warm! lol!

 

[Medikit]

I am from a small middle of the road school and looking to do a 2 year CC fellowship after an IM residency. These are the programs that are offering a 2 year CC fellowship. What kind of board scores would I need for these schools? I only have passes and no honors in preclinical classes. Is this ok for IM? Thanks for the info!

University of New Mexico
University of Washington (really competitive even for IM?)
Baylor (guessing very competitive)
Oregon Health and Science University Program
University of Colorado (very interested, but seems really competitive?)
Mount Sinai
Jackson Memorial Hospital/Jackson Health Systems (Miami)

Looking to go somewhere warm! lol!

Here's how I would order these

1. Competitive: Baylor, University of Washington, University of Colorado

2. Slightly less competitive than above: OHSU, Mount Sinai

3. Not competitive: Jackson Memorial Hospital, University of New Mexico

No idea what Step 1 score you need but just guessing I would say 1. >230 2. >220 3. >210

 

[docscience]

Medikit...Thanks for the input!

Do you think those that you ranked #1 are so because of location mostly? Or are the programs just top ranked?

Any idea on if IM PD look to see if the person has honors in preclinical classes?

Here's how I would order these

1. Competitive: Baylor, University of Washington, University of Colorado

2. Slightly less competitive than above: OHSU, Mount Sinai

3. Not competitive: Jackson Memorial Hospital, University of New Mexico

No idea what Step 1 score you need but just guessing I would say 1. >230 2. >220 3. >210

 

[QuinnB]

For IM (that is all I know about), I would put OHSU above baylor in competitiveness (and program quality). It's that west coast effect from seattle down to san diego. Many top applicants don't apply to baylor even if they are interested in coming to Texas mainly because UTSW is a way better program. Portland is an incredible town (the "greenest" and most ecofriendly in the country...not to mention the microbrewery capitol of the world) and has a lot of outdoors stuff (like university of colorado), much more so than baylor.

 

[docscience]

To increase chances of acceptance at these schools, will an away rotation bode well?

Any other helpful hints? Thanks!

 

[jdh71]

I am from a small middle of the road school and looking to do a 2 year CC fellowship after an IM residency. These are the programs that are offering a 2 year CC fellowship. What kind of board scores would I need for these schools? I only have passes and no honors in preclinical classes. Is this ok for IM? Thanks for the info!

University of New Mexico
University of Washington (really competitive even for IM?)
Baylor (guessing very competitive)
Oregon Health and Science University Program
University of Colorado (very interested, but seems really competitive?)
Mount Sinai
Jackson Memorial Hospital/Jackson Health Systems (Miami)

Looking to go somewhere warm! lol!

When did Colorado start offering two year CC only?

 

[docscience]

When did Colorado start offering two year CC only?

My bad man....you are right..they do NOT offer a 2 year program there. It is a 3 year Pulm/CC program.

 

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[jdh71]

My bad man....you are right..they do NOT offer a 2 year program there. It is a 3 year Pulm/CC program.

1.5-2 year CC fellowships are a little harder to find, if that is what you are interested in don't forget Pitt and Mayo

EDIT: Also Pulm/CC is an IM only fellowship, just CC by itself takes IM, Surg, Gas, and EM . . . year to year, depending on interest, that might make those programs harder to get into/ Pulm/CC is the way to make bigger bucks, and give you options for later in life when you're just not gung-ho about 12 hour shifts 7 days in a row anymore, and want to write rx's for inhalers, and send the more complicated stuff to the Uni

Myself . . . I'm interested in CC + or - the Pulm . . . we'll see . . . some days all I want to do is three and out

 

[dragonfly99]

I think U of Washington would be the hardest to get in to,
b/c of location + program "academicness".
2nd to that would be Oregon and Colorado and Baylor.
Agree less people want to go to Baylor b/c of the location...still a quite solid program but they lost one of their teaching hospitals a couple of years ago, and Houston is just kind of off the beaten path for a lot of people, vs. the west coast.
I don't know...I wouldn't think that one would need a 230 board score to get in to many medicine programs, except places like UCSF and Harvard, etc. I'm speaking from personal experience having been a student and resident at pretty high ranked places. However, if your 3rd year grades are only average for your school, and you went to a not well known school, that may well be true. A lot of things other than board scores factor in to IM resident selection...3rd year medicine grades, subI honors vs. not, what school you went to, what your Dean's letter and LOR's say about you, etc. Also whether you have any research/publications.

 

[docscience]

What are some strong IM programs that are in good locations?

UWash
UCSF
Brigham
Oregon
U. of Chicago


Any other cool ones? Warm weather and a fairly large city would rock my world!

 

[jdh71]

What are some strong IM programs that are in good locations?

UWash
UCSF
Brigham
Oregon
U. of Chicago


Any other cool ones? Warm weather and a fairly large city would rock my world!

Chicago might be the coldest place on the planet in January . . .

 

[docscience]

Chicago might be the coldest place on the planet in January . . .

True that...but I might be willing to trade that for one of the coolest cities on the planet. Probably not though...but U. of Chicago is a good program too I have heard.

 

[VCMM414]

What are some strong IM programs that are in good locations?

UWash
UCSF
Brigham
Oregon
U. of Chicago


Any other cool ones? Warm weather and a fairly large city would rock my world!

If you are willing to include Oregon and U. of Chicago (not that they are bad, but just not quite at the level of other programs you've listed), then really there are a lot of programs you should consider in addition to those above:

Boston:
Mass General
Beth Israel Deaconess

NYC:
Columbia
Cornell
Mount Sinai
NYU
Albert Einstein?

Philly:
Penn

Chicago:
Northwestern

DC:
Georgetown?
Johns Hopkins (not technically in DC, but only ~1 hr away)

Atlanta:
Emory

Nashville:
Vanderbilt

Dallas:
UT Southwestern

Southern Cal:
UCLA
UCSD

North Cal:
Stanford

The list goes on...

 

[yayarea]

Sorry guys, but OHSU is by far the best of those schools and the most competitive. Washington second. Then Colorado, Baylor, and Sinai.

OHSU is freaking amazing.

 

[jdh71]

Sorry guys, but OHSU is by far the best of those schools and the most competitive. Washington second. Then Colorado, Baylor, and Sinai.

OHSU is freaking amazing.

It might be a cool place, but you're smoking dope if you think OHSU is above Baylor, Washington, and Colorado in the academic food chain

 

[jdh71]

True that...but I might be willing to trade that for one of the coolest cities on the planet. Probably not though...but U. of Chicago is a good program too I have heard.

I'm not trying to be a douche, but you seem to have no clue what you are really looking for. What EXACTLY do you want in a Residency program - you're all over the map in this thread.

 

[jdh71]

If you are willing to include Oregon and U. of Chicago (not that they are bad, but just not quite at the level of other programs you've listed), then really there are a lot of programs you should consider in addition to those above:

Boston:
Mass General
Beth Israel Deaconess

NYC:
Columbia
Cornell
Mount Sinai
NYU
Albert Einstein?

Philly:
Penn

Chicago:
Northwestern

DC:
Georgetown?
Johns Hopkins (not technically in DC, but only ~1 hr away)

Atlanta:
Emory

Nashville:
Vanderbilt

Dallas:
UT Southwestern

Southern Cal:
UCLA
UCSD

North Cal:
Stanford

The list goes on...

This really isn't helpful. This is the same nonsense that ALWAYS goes on here on SDN every year. Someone asks a question is there is always some person who throws up a list of programs generally accepted as being top 25 and says, "apply here".

 

[dragonfly99]

docscience...
your list is not that long.
I think you can reasonably apply to those schools, realizing that U of Washington may not interview you...you may not get interviews at all those schools. Oregon and Baylor = not a cakewalk to get an interview either...part of it depends on how many interns they take. If they need 35/year will be easier to get an interview than if they take 20/year. Just give it a shot...it's internal medicine and you never know...not that competitive as far as specialties go.

It isn't warm in Portland and Seattle, though tends not to get super duper cold most of the time. It's pretty gray in Seattle (not much sun except in the summertime like August...).

 

[sacrament]

Sorry guys, but OHSU is by far the best of those schools and the most competitive. Washington second. Then Colorado, Baylor, and Sinai.

OHSU is freaking amazing.

OHSU is a strong place and I'd rank it above Baylor and Colorado, but UW is almost universally considered a more "elite" program. I've never visited UW so I have no first-hand experience, but that's definitely the word on the street.

 

[gutonc]

FWIW, as a former resident and now fellow @ OHSU, and given my recent post about the inanity of trying to rank programs on any sort of meaningful basis, I'd put UW @ the top w/ OHSU and Colorado next as overall rough equals and Baylor behind them. There is no data or any really useful information to use in backing this ranking up, just like in all other systems people try to use on SDN.

Honestly, until you go to interview/visit and get a feel for a place, where it exists on some random ranking list is completely meaningless. Most of the programs at the top of my pre-interview rank-list fell to the bottom half (I ranked 14 places) and places I applied to kind of on a lark rose pretty high (like to 1-3).

 

[jdh71]

FWIW, as a former resident and now fellow @ OHSU, and given my recent post about the inanity of trying to rank programs on any sort of meaningful basis, I'd put UW @ the top w/ OHSU and Colorado next as overall rough equals and Baylor behind them. There is no data or any really useful information to use in backing this ranking up, just like in all other systems people try to use on SDN.

Honestly, until you go to interview/visit and get a feel for a place, where it exists on some random ranking list is completely meaningless. Most of the programs at the top of my pre-interview rank-list fell to the bottom half (I ranked 14 places) and places I applied to kind of on a lark rose pretty high (like to 1-3).

I've never heard a bad thing about OHSU. I'm sure it's awesome (and who wouldn't want to live up there?) My comments were directed towards the "academic food chain" as a mass group consciousness.

 

[viostorm]

I've never heard a bad thing about OHSU. I'm sure it's awesome (and who wouldn't want to live up there?) My comments were directed towards the "academic food chain" as a mass group consciousness.

OH who?

(just kidding)

But seriously, is OHSU ohio state university? There has been very little SDN banter over the past 2 years about this program.

As far as location ... it doesn't get any better then 2 1/2 hours from Vail.

Many would argue Houston is akin to living in a hot jungle but without the cool trees and colorful birds ... also, I learned this last weekend you can't let your dogs swim in the lakes in houston because they will get eaten by alligators. There is some nice beachfront property on galveston available though.

 

[gutonc]

I've never heard a bad thing about OHSU. I'm sure it's awesome (and who wouldn't want to live up there?) My comments were directed towards the "academic food chain" as a mass group consciousness.

I was actually agreeing w/ you.

 

[gutonc]

OH who?

(just kidding)

But seriously, is OHSU ohio state university? There has been very little SDN banter over the past 2 years about this program.

As far as location ... it doesn't get any better then 2 1/2 hours from Vail.

No, OHSU is Oregon Health and Science University, OSU is Ohio State.

And yes, there are better locations than 2 1/2 hours from Vail. I prefer 90 minutes to 3 different resorts on Mt. Hood and 90 minutes from the Pacific. Not to mention a 4 minute walk from my house to a kayak put-in on the river and a microbrewery halfway between the two places. And I'm a 5 minute drive/15 minute bike ride from the hospital to boot.

But Denver's not bad.

 

[viostorm]

And yes, there are better locations than 2 1/2 hours from Vail. I prefer 90 minutes to 3 different resorts on Mt. Hood and 90 minutes from the Pacific. Not to mention a 4 minute walk from my house to a kayak put-in on the river and a microbrewery halfway between the two places. And I'm a 5 minute drive/15 minute bike ride from the hospital to boot.

Sounds like a great place.

 

[jdh71]

You want close to skiing? Then you want Utah, ~15-20 minutes from University to the mountain, plus I loved the program. I think they work hard, really hard, so not the kind of program for people looking for "laid back" but I liked the residents there. Also, the program from the mere one day you get to hang out (strong Heme-Onc btw), and I thought the PD was top notch and I normally don't jive with female PDs (I know sounds very sexist, and maybe it is a little, but I'm just being honest - I'm not sure what the problem with "click" happens to be, perhaps being female has nothing to do with it, but then I digress) . . . SLC does get on people's nerves though. I know a guy in year 5 of residency there and he's ready, and in VERY ready to be out of SLC (I personally do not mind SLC)

 

[jdh71]

Sounds like a great place.

You know Loveland is probably 30-40 minutes from Denver on the east side of the pass. As long as you're not a snob (and I'm not) you can ski for relatively cheap.

 

[docscience]

I'm not trying to be a douche, but you seem to have no clue what you are really looking for. What EXACTLY do you want in a Residency program - you're all over the map in this thread.

No douchiness taken..haha...I am just an MS2 so I don't know everything I want, but have a general idea....
As of now, I would like to go to a University program that will be competitive for fellowship applicants (I kinda want to do P/CCM as of right now), want to be in a fairly big city (at least 250K + or so), and somewhere warm!

So........University Program w/ competitiveness for P/CCM > Big City > Warm Weather.
Any ideas?

I was looking into the University of Arizona...http://www.meded.arizona.edu/ourgraduates.cfm
2007 fellowships look ok...about a million people around the city, and warm weather!! hot weather!! water/mountains would be nice!

 

[dragonfly99]

Vanderbilt? Emory? UT Southwestern? Baylor? Not sure about Florida places b/c I'm not familiar with them. also consider U of Alabama-Birmingham...warm and has a good medicine department, but not a real big city.