how did yall use orgoman's roadmaps?

[TXpredent]

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Just curious how yall used his road maps effectively. They look kinda random to me and I prefer the way Chad grouped his reactions. Although, I've noticed Orgoman has way more reactions though it just seems each road map is kinda random.

 

[bennijai]

memorize and regurgitate

 

[ttpharm]

don't waste your time. save room in your head for other material since you have to memorize the individual rxns anyways. The ochem problems on the real DAT will be simple that you'll only need to know each individual rxn in order to get the problem right.

I highly suggest knowing the activators and deactivators of electrophilic aromatic substitution reactions. One problem might ask you to give the reactants of a particular benzylic molecule. Knowing the activators (ortho/para directors)/deactivators (meta directors) will allow you to correctly solve it since you'll need to be able to put them in the correct spots by knowing what reactant to add first. Also, there may be a type of problem giving 2 electrophiles, in which case you will need to know which is the better activator since that will be the one that is added quicker and will be the major product.

 

[torobcheh21]

Are the types of problems that show up on the real thing compound problems like shown in the Destroyer? or are they one step/two step predict the reactant/ product types...

 

[TXpredent]

don't waste your time. save room in your head for other material since you have to memorize the individual rxns anyways. The ochem problems on the real DAT will be simple that you'll only need to know each individual rxn in order to get the problem right.

I highly suggest knowing the activators and deactivators of electrophilic aromatic substitution reactions. One problem might ask you to give the reactants of a particular benzylic molecule. Knowing the activators (ortho/para directors)/deactivators (meta directors) will allow you to correctly solve it since you'll need to be able to put them in the correct spots by knowing what reactant to add first. Also, there may be a type of problem giving 2 electrophiles, in which case you will need to know which is the better activator since that will be the one that is added quicker and will be the major product.

thanks for the wisdom ttpharm, I'll make sure I know them. Luckily that's one of the very very very few things I understand in O. Chem.

 

[ttpharm]

Are the types of problems that show up on the real thing compound problems like shown in the Destroyer? or are they one step/two step predict the reactant/ product types...

You'll needa give me an example cause I don't remember what exactly was in the destroyer.

 

[ttpharm]

thanks for the wisdom ttpharm, I'll make sure I know them. Luckily that's one of the very very very few things I understand in O. Chem.

Understand Chad's CARDIO mnemonic to determine stability/strengths of bases, which will allow you to determine stability/strength of acids. There'll likely be a problem to determine if a molecule is an non aromatic/anti aromatic/aromatic. Know how to do that! its pretty simple.

 

[TXpredent]

Understand Chad's CARDIO mnemonic to determine stability/strengths of bases, which will allow you to determine stability/strength of acids. There'll likely be a problem to determine if a molecule is an non aromatic/anti aromatic/aromatic. Know how to do that! its pretty simple.

dude about aromaticity!! Anions screw me up, in Chad's videos he shows the resonance structure of how it can participate in the pi system and how that carbon is sp2 or etc. But in the Destroyer i found a problem how an anion's two electrons didn't count and it screwed it all up. I'll have to find the example and post it on a new thread. The Destroyer makes me pull my hair out though.

 

[biomolecmed]

Best use that to gauge your knowledge. Pick a few, do them, then compare to answers. Whatever you got wrong that should tell you what you need to work on. Good luck.

 

[Kahr]

I took each of the road maps and remade it with blank spaces for various parts, then I photocopied them and tried filling in the blanks (a missing reactant or product, something along those lines) repeatedly. I also made flash cards with individual reactions, especially the ones I was weak at.

Honestly, the orgo section (on the DAT) was so full of the fundamentals that all this reaction review felt like a semi-wasted effort.

 

[fuqele]

I did what Kahr did. I don't think the roadmap is useless, though. In fact, I think it's super useful that it brings all the reactions together. The roadmap was the last thing I reviewed the morning of DAT. 😛

 

[Dotoday]

Use it to put everything together in your head. Once you think you memorized all of the reactions use Destroyer and Odyssey roadmaps to check and reinforce your knowledge.

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[Member 8586]

I took each of the road maps and remade it with blank spaces for various parts, then I photocopied them and tried filling in the blanks (a missing reactant or product, something along those lines) repeatedly. I also made flash cards with individual reactions, especially the ones I was weak at.

Honestly, the orgo section (on the DAT) was so full of the fundamentals that all this reaction review felt like a semi-wasted effort.

im doing the same right now..drew the maps out with blank spaces etc....can you elaborate on the "so full of fundamentals" part ...i feel like im focusing more on memorizing these reactions - should i move my orgo efforts elsewhere?

 

[dentistkim]

Did you guys do all the problems in the Orgo Odyssey and Destroyer books?
Is Chad's Orgo video helpful???

 

[m0chicheeks]

im doing the same right now..drew the maps out with blank spaces etc....can you elaborate on the "so full of fundamentals" part ...i feel like im focusing more on memorizing these reactions - should i move my orgo efforts elsewhere?

Same here!~

In addition, a friend is giving me an initial structure, verbally telling me the reagent, and redraw the subsequent structure. I figure if it was more random, it would necessarily be memorizing the same "road map" but more-so the actually reactions themselves and what they do in reaction. 🙂