How do DO schools view applicants who previously attended another health professions program?

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The thread title basically says it all. If an applicant previously attended another health professions program (e.g., something like PA school) but left after receiving an F grade (but wasn't formally dismissed), do they stand to have any realistic chance of receiving invitations to interview at any DO programs? GPAs would be > 3.4 cGPA, > 3.3 sGPA, so stats that are just "okay" (don't want to be too specific here). Since I wasn't formally dismissed and therefore wouldn't check the box that says something like the lines of "Check 'yes' if you have been previously dismissed from another health professions program," is the negative effect on my application going to be minimized at least somewhat?

Thanks...
 
We will interview them, but tend to disregard rejects from other programs. Doing poorly in other programs doesn't bode well for med school.

Refugees running to Medicine are viewed more leniently than refugees fleeing another program or field, especially Law or Chiropractic.
 
The thread title basically says it all. If an applicant previously attended another health professions program (e.g., something like PA school) but left after receiving an F grade (but wasn't formally dismissed), do they stand to have any realistic chance of receiving invitations to interview at any DO programs? GPAs would be > 3.4 cGPA, > 3.3 sGPA, so stats that are just "okay" (don't want to be too specific here). Since I wasn't formally dismissed and therefore wouldn't check the box that says something like the lines of "Check 'yes' if you have been previously dismissed from another health professions program," is the negative effect on my application going to be minimized at least somewhat?

Thanks...
Perhaps another question to ask yourself is: If you made an F in say PA school, what makes you think a DO school will be any easier???

They will see your transcripts and you had better have a good explanation.

Good Luck
 
The thread title basically says it all. If an applicant previously attended another health professions program (e.g., something like PA school) but left after receiving an F grade (but wasn't formally dismissed), do they stand to have any realistic chance of receiving invitations to interview at any DO programs? GPAs would be > 3.4 cGPA, > 3.3 sGPA, so stats that are just "okay" (don't want to be too specific here). Since I wasn't formally dismissed and therefore wouldn't check the box that says something like the lines of "Check 'yes' if you have been previously dismissed from another health professions program," is the negative effect on my application going to be minimized at least somewhat?

Thanks...

I know 2 people long ago who attend a post-bacc that was a linkage program to my state MD school. These two were on the border of failing and decided to withdraw from the program, in order to get their act together. It took around 2 years for them to reform themselves (taking extra classes and then retaking their MCAT). One was accepted directly to another MD program, probably even better than my state school. The other entered an SMP and I believe is a med student currently. I don't know how similar this story is to yours. However, the most foolish thing you could do is reapply immediately with that F still in close range proximity. You will need time for redemption and only then will medical schools take you seriously. If your GPA was 3.5 before you entered PA school, then your two year redemption GPA should be 3.6+ with a tougher course load. Otherwise, you haven't show the improvement necessary to show you are a changed person.

I wish you good luck!
 
You're going to need to do a lot of work to prove you can cut it in DO school if you couldn't make it in PA school. Jumping right from failure to applying to medical school? Almost zero chance.
 
We will interview them, but tend to disregard rejects from other programs. Doing poorly in other programs doesn't bode well for med school.

Refugees running to Medicine are viewed more leniently than refugees fleeing another program or field, especially Law or Chiropractic.

Thanks for responding. Here's what is kind of tricky about my situation. I wasn't actually enrolled in a "standard" PA program; I was enrolled in an anesthesiology PA program (officially known as an Anesthesiologist Assistant program). I actually did relatively well with the first semester courses, several of which are the same courses as those taught during the first semester of medical school. In fact, in one of the medical school courses, I had one of the highest grades in the class. The course I failed was actually an anesthesia lab simulation course that was taught during the second semester, but since that was the only class I failed, I wasn't technically dismissed from the program (students have to fail 2 courses to be dismissed). However, since that particular course is only taught once per year, I couldn't continue on with the program either. So here I am.

When you say that your program will interview rejects from other programs but tends to disregard them, are you saying that most of the rejects have a decent chance of receiving an interview invitation but will ultimately end up not getting accepted? Or that it's very unlikely for your program to even offer them an interview invitation, save for a select few?

If my GPA is over a 3.45 (sGPA only a ~3.3, unfortunately), and considering that I at least have the advantage of not having to check the "Were you dismissed from another program?" box, do you think I at least have a chance of receiving invitations to interview at DO programs in the southeast?

Here is the other problem with my situation. Prior to going to anesthesia PA (AA) school, I got a Biology degree that I did pretty well in, and the only "bad" grades I made (2 C's) have already been re-taken. So all my other grades that were taken for the degree are either A's or B's, and even when I calculate what my new cGPA/sGPA would be if I re-took the courses that I made B's in that I'd be eligible to re-take, my GPA doesn't receive all that much of a boost, despite AACOMAS's grade replacement policy. So to summarize, whereas most applicants with lower GPAs started off poorly but made improvements later in the course of their college careers, I'm an example of the opposite scenario: I started off strongly and took a nosedive in the later stages of my college career.

In your opinion, can a higher-than-average MCAT score help make-up for my recent poor academic performance? Or do I need to pursue a master's degree in a scientific discipline before any DO schools will be willing to give me a chance?

That leads me to another point -- for both my undergrad degree as well as the AA program I was previously enrolled in, I have already taken the usual upper/grad-level science courses that folks recommend applicants to take to make their application more competitive (e.g., grad-level anatomy, several grad-level physiology courses, other grad-level science courses such as evolutionary biology, etc.). So basically, my situation is extra tricky because I took the various "redemption" courses PRIOR to actually nosediving my academic profile, which leaves me with much fewer options than the typical "lower GPA applicant" when it comes to improving my application on a GPA basis. However, the silver lining (if there is one) is that my GPA is still somewhat competitive for certain programs, and it wouldn't take more than 1-2 semesters of science courses to boost my cGPA to a 3.5 (obviously my sGPA would still be lower). And depending on the particular school's perspective on the value of MCAT scores, I could possibly make my application look more competitive by applying with a higher-than-average MCAT score (although this probably wouldn't make a difference with VCOM, since they don't emphasize MCAT scores much at all).

In your opinion, is spending several years getting a master's degree my only hope for getting in?
 
You're going to need to do a lot of work to prove you can cut it in DO school if you couldn't make it in PA school. Jumping right from failure to applying to medical school? Almost zero chance.

Well, the upside, at least (as explained in my most recent post before this one) is that I did pretty well in the first semester courses that AA/PA students take with medical students, and the course I failed was a lab course that was specific to the AA program. Do you think it's not even worth attempting to apply?
 
Well, the upside, at least (as explained in my most recent post before this one) is that I did pretty well in the first semester courses that AA/PA students take with medical students, and the course I failed was a lab course that was specific to the AA program. Do you think it's not even worth attempting to apply?
When your most recent achievement is a failure in professional school, you shouldn't be applying to professional school. You need something positive between that failure and your application or it's all that adcoms are going to see.
 
In this case, I think that you're in a god position.
When you say that your program will interview rejects from other programs but tends to disregard them, are you saying that most of the rejects have a decent chance of receiving an interview invitation but will ultimately end up not getting accepted? Or that it's very unlikely for your program to even offer them an interview invitation, save for a select few?

If my GPA is over a 3.45 (sGPA only a ~3.3, unfortunately), and considering that I at least have the advantage of not having to check the "Were you dismissed from another program?" box, do you think I at least have a chance of receiving invitations to interview at DO programs in the southeast?

Here is the other problem with my situation. Prior to going to anesthesia PA (AA) school, I got a Biology degree that I did pretty well in, and the only "bad" grades I made (2 C's) have already been re-taken. So all my other grades that were taken for the degree are either A's or B's, and even when I calculate what my new cGPA/sGPA would be if I re-took the courses that I made B's in that I'd be eligible to re-take, my GPA doesn't receive all that much of a boost, despite AACOMAS's grade replacement policy. So to summarize, whereas most applicants with lower GPAs started off poorly but made improvements later in the course of their college careers, I'm an example of the opposite scenario: I started off strongly and took a nosedive in the later stages of my college career.




Yes. Some schools are MCAT ******, like AZCOM.

In your opinion, can a higher-than-average MCAT score help make-up for my recent poor academic performance? Or do I need to pursue a master's degree in a scientific discipline before any DO schools will be willing to give me a chance?

If you get shut out this cycle, then try an SMP.

In your opinion, is spending several years getting a master's degree my only hope for getting in?[/QUOTE]
 
In this case, I think that you're in a god position.
When you say that your program will interview rejects from other programs but tends to disregard them, are you saying that most of the rejects have a decent chance of receiving an interview invitation but will ultimately end up not getting accepted? Or that it's very unlikely for your program to even offer them an interview invitation, save for a select few?

If my GPA is over a 3.45 (sGPA only a ~3.3, unfortunately), and considering that I at least have the advantage of not having to check the "Were you dismissed from another program?" box, do you think I at least have a chance of receiving invitations to interview at DO programs in the southeast?

Here is the other problem with my situation. Prior to going to anesthesia PA (AA) school, I got a Biology degree that I did pretty well in, and the only "bad" grades I made (2 C's) have already been re-taken. So all my other grades that were taken for the degree are either A's or B's, and even when I calculate what my new cGPA/sGPA would be if I re-took the courses that I made B's in that I'd be eligible to re-take, my GPA doesn't receive all that much of a boost, despite AACOMAS's grade replacement policy. So to summarize, whereas most applicants with lower GPAs started off poorly but made improvements later in the course of their college careers, I'm an example of the opposite scenario: I started off strongly and took a nosedive in the later stages of my college career.




Yes. Some schools are MCAT ******, like AZCOM.

In your opinion, can a higher-than-average MCAT score help make-up for my recent poor academic performance? Or do I need to pursue a master's degree in a scientific discipline before any DO schools will be willing to give me a chance?

If you get shut out this cycle, then try an SMP.

In your opinion, is spending several years getting a master's degree my only hope for getting in?
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Goro, I appreciate your response, but I think some of your quotes may have been misformatted (possibly an error with the site)... ? (specifically referring to the blue text).
 
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