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What's your usual cocktail? What do you use for hypotension when no pressors are desired? A-line or no?
I'm stuck doing one now.
I'm stuck doing one now.
Uggh! I hate these cases. The room is usually so goddamn hot. The Plastic Surgeon is inevitably an a-hole. And, the no-pressors thing... here's the deal with that...
A Plastic Surgeon, as much as he/she thinks he/she does, does not understand what we do. They are focusing on an outcome for the case, and not necessarily the patient. They will demand that you don't use any pressors at all. And, they will show you data that demonstrates flap failure if pressors are used.
Now, I've used phenylephrine, when needed, in free-flap cases. Have I ever had a case of flap failure? No. You treat the patient first and, if you need to bring their pressure up, you do it. But, of course you try other means (fluid, lightening your anesthetic, etc.) before you reach for the purple stuff.
The point is, there is a huge difference between the occassional 50mcg bolus of phenylephrine than there is at running an infusion, which is really what they're trying to tell you they don't want when they say "no pressors". They actually don't know that we bolus a little ephedrine or phenylephrine here or there when we need to, because they don't understand what we do. Again, I've done this when absolutely necessary during a case, and I've never had a graft fail because of it.
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Not sure where all those cases have gone.
Most studies for various types of procedures, both in intensive care and surgery, tend to show better outcomes with pressors instead of just fluids. The reason being decreased inflammation, and decreased abdominal compartment syndrome (i.e. AKI).I believe the literature and consensus is starting to turn. Our onc ENT surgeons are both fine with background phenylephrine infusions. However, flooding with a bunch of crystalloid over an 8 hr case is pretty frowned upon.
Probably because the artery the flap is anastomosed on is not denervated. 😉I think phenylephrine is fine for these cases, despite surgeon objections, as a low background infusion to counter iatrogenic hypotension. The free flap is obviously denervated and effectively sympathectomized, so I'm not sure why the surgeons are so freaked about a little alpha.
Plastic surgeons think they're gods, but I've yet to meet one godlike enough to sew a proximal arteriole small enough for that to really matter ...Probably because the vessel the flap is anastomosed on is not. 😉
Avoid knee jerk opioids at induction. Greatly reduces iatrogenic hypotension. Just low dose vapor and paralysis.
That's like my sux drip and esmolol anesthetic (with glyco to dry the tears). Very stable.Or better yet, no dose vapor and paralysis. I've never seen any hypotension using this approach.
I think phenylephrine is fine for these cases, despite surgeon objections, as a low background infusion to counter iatrogenic hypotension. The free flap is obviously denervated and effectively sympathectomized, so I'm not sure why the surgeons are so freaked about a little alpha.
glyco to dry the tears
From their own journal (sorry I don't have the full access link):
What makes a good flap go bad?: A critical analysis of the literature of intraoperative factors related to free flap failure†‡
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