How do you guys pick your OOS schools?

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Do you determine its OOS friendliness through % of OOS matriculated to %IS matriculated? Do you take in account the % OOS interviewed?

Rush is generally considered OOS friendly on SDN because of their OOS/IS student ratio yet they interviewed 2% of OOS applicant compare to 16% of IS. Do you OOS still apply to Rush?
 
Dude, I was confused about the same thing.

I was using most of my numbers from the USNews stuff (that stuff you subscribe to for like 20 bux or somethin)...

I ran my numbers for interviewed versus accepted...virginia isn't too bad for OOS...i forget which others..but yeah..OOS is kinda hard. where are you applying from? Do you have a decent selection of state schools? I only have one. blarg.
 
Do you determine its OOS friendliness through % of OOS matriculated to %IS matriculated? Do you take in account the % OOS interviewed?

Rush is generally considered OOS friendly on SDN because of their OOS/IS student ratio yet they interviewed 2% of OOS applicant compare to 16% of IS. Do you OOS still apply to Rush?

Uh...I'm not sure where you're getting that info but according to my 2009-2010 MSAR:

5048 OOS applied, 96 interviewed, and 28 matriculated. And this is for a class of 144 total students. That's not a very good OOS/IS student ratio imo.

I would buy the most up to date MSAR to decide which schools are more OOS friendly.

While it's true that OOS stats can sometimes be misleading as those who get accepted may choose not to go due to high OOS tuition, location, etc....the fact that Rush only interviewed 96 indicates that they want to keep the majority of their class as IS.
 
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Uh...I'm not sure where you're getting that info but according to my 2009-2010 MSAR:

5048 OOS applied, 96 interviewed, and 28 matriculated. And this is for a class of 144 total students. That's not a very good OOS/IS student ratio imo.

I would buy the most up to date MSAR to decide which schools are more OOS friendly.

While it's true that OOS stats can sometimes be misleading as those who get accepted may choose not to go due to high OOS tuition, location, etc....the fact that Rush only interviewed 96 indicates that they want to keep the majority of their class as IS.

If we're talking about Rush directly, the 2010 entering class statistics are: ~6500 applied through AMCAS, ~350 interviewed, with roughly 2/3 of those being from in-state. (The total number of out-of-state applicants was not provided on my little cheat sheet.)
 
If we're talking about Rush directly, the 2010 entering class statistics are: ~6500 applied through AMCAS, ~350 interviewed, with roughly 2/3 of those being from in-state. (The total number of out-of-state applicants was not provided on my little cheat sheet.)

You are correct but those statistics are a little misleading if you leave out IS vs. OOS interviews. Here's the full stats:

IS_________________OOS_________________Total
1401 apps__________5048 apps____________6485 apps
268 interviews______ 96 interviews__________364 interviews
116 matriculants_____28 matriculants________144 matriculants
 
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Uh...I'm not sure where you're getting that info but according to my 2009-2010 MSAR.

A very respected member on SDN told me to consider Rush among other OOS schools for fit. I have seen other people applying to Rush as OOS as well. I didn't just randomly come up with that school. I am grateful for his help I do not mean to look at this as his/her mistake in anyway.

Newest stat for Rush OOS is 5089 applied, 125 interviewed and 36 accepted. For IS it is 1375, 231 and 100.

Can I definitely cross Rush out of my list now?

If anyone can help me with my questions in the OP I would really appreciate it.
 
A very respected member on SDN told me to consider Rush among other OOS schools for fit. I have seen other people applying to Rush as OOS as well. I didn't just randomly come up with that school. I am grateful for his help I do not mean to look at this as his/her mistake in anyway.

And I don't mean in any way to say that whoever told you was wrong. It's just that you were asking about OOS friendliness and I just wanted to give you the heads up that they don't offer many interviews OOS. However once you do get an interview, your chances greatly increase. If he/she said that it was a good fit for you than I would trust their advice.

Sorry if I came off as rude.
 
One thing to consider with respect to OOS-friendliness is that your chances as an out-of-state applicant may be affected depending on any ties to the area you can demonstrate.
 
I personally really appreciate schools that accept a decent % of those interview. From the numbers, it looks like ~29% of OOS who interview matriculate (which def isn't too bad). It means they don't totally waste your time by offering WAY more interviews than acceptances (and half of those may be just b/c those OOS didn't matriculate).
 
Applying from CA is hard. Your state schools give you no support.
 
Applying from CA is hard. Your state schools give you no support.

Are california schools highly receptive to OOS students or do that simply not give preference to instate students?
 
Applying from CA is hard. Your state schools give you no support.

I always feel bad for CA applicants as it seems like it's almost impossible for you guys to get into school. If you're looking for some more OOS friendly schools I'd suggest applying to some in PA. The majority of them are OOS friendly. Check out Temple, Drexel, Jefferson, Penn State, and depending on your stats, U. of Pittsburgh.
 
Are california schools highly receptive to OOS students or do that simply not give preference to instate students?
It's not that they do not give preference. They are required to take in IS but it has to do with their matriculated stat being high, except for Davis (Mcat median 32) the rest is 33 and above. Not like because we are in CA we are smarter or anything. Life is hard for an average applicant like me.

Edit: Quickly check stats:
Penn state interview 20% (is it like this for other states as well?) of IS applicant while it is 12 and 13% for UCI and UC Davis.
 
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Are california schools highly receptive to OOS students or do that simply not give preference to instate students?

The problem is that:

California has 8 medical schools, half of which are in USNWR Top 20, and 6 (I think) in the Top 40-ish = high GPA/MCAT averages

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These schools have thousands of in-state applicants

= Sucky admit rates for in-state applicants, especially average ones, from California

Also, the screening for secondaries doesn't help things either.
 
Edit: Quickly check stats:
Penn state interview 20% (is it like this for other states as well?) of IS applicant while it is 12 and 13% for UCI and UC Davis.

It varies depending on the state, but you will usually see high IS interview rates (not necessarily as high as 20%) for public med schools in other states. For West Virginia, I know that WVU interviews more than 50% of the IS applicants (and there other school Marshall interviews almost 70%!!!).

Even for Yale, IS applicants from Connecticut had a 25% chance of an interview (although I'm sure there stats were high).

The number of applicants in a specific state directly have an influence on the IS interview rate. WV has a little over 200 applicants applying to the 2 IS schools, explaining why applying is almost a guaranteed interview. CA on the other hand has over 3,000 applying to their IS schools making it much more difficult as a result.
 
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The problem is that:

California has 8 medical schools, half of which are in USNWR Top 20, and 6 (I think) in the Top 40-ish = high GPA/MCAT averages

+

These schools have thousands of in-state applicants

= Sucky admit rates for in-state applicants, especially average ones, from California

Also, the screening for secondaries doesn't help things either.

Hmmm, that makes me want to rethink applying for medical school in California. I am a Texas resident (which is probably the best state to be a resident of) and I somewhat want to live in California, when I get older, so I was thinking of applying to some CA med schools. Maybe I will just stay in Texas for med school (saving buttloads of money) and then do my residency in California.
 
Hmmm, that makes me want to rethink applying for medical school in California. I am a Texas resident (which is probably the best state to be a resident of) and I somewhat want to live in California, when I get older, so I was thinking of applying to some CA med schools. Maybe I will just stay in Texas for med school (saving buttloads of money) and then do my residency in California.

Yea I second that idea. TMDSAS is long and kinda lame, but Texans are taken care of pretty damn well. Just do residency elsewhere.😀
 
I always feel bad for CA applicants as it seems like it's almost impossible for you guys to get into school. If you're looking for some more OOS friendly schools I'd suggest applying to some in PA. The majority of them are OOS friendly. Check out Temple, Drexel, Jefferson, Penn State, and depending on your stats, U. of Pittsburgh.

Agreed. Temple and Drexel especially seem to have a lot of students from Cali. Temple's match list this year had about 20 people match in Cali as well, I would assume people that want to move back home.
 
It's not that they do not give preference. They are required to take in IS but it has to do with their matriculated stat being high, except for Davis (Mcat median 32) the rest is 33 and above. Not like because we are in CA we are smarter or anything. Life is hard for an average applicant like me.

Edit: Quickly check stats:
Penn state interview 20% (is it like this for other states as well?) of IS applicant while it is 12 and 13% for UCI and UC Davis.
I also think there are just SOOO many CA applicants. CA is THE most populated state in the entire country, over 37 million people (with a significantly higher medical-school applying aged population than most other states) that's almost 12% of the U.S. population (~308 million). With only 8 schools they simply just have too many applicants and they are also very popular with OOS applicants. They probably have one of the largest pools of applicants and therefore can choose the very best the country has to offer.
 
I also think there are just SOOO many CA applicants. CA is THE most populated state in the entire country, over 37 million people (with a significantly higher medical-school applying aged population than most other states) that's almost 12% of the U.S. population (~308 million). With only 8 schools they simply just have too many applicants and they are also very popular with OOS applicants. They probably have one of the largest pools of applicants and therefore can choose the very best the country has to offer.
California had 4,972 applicants out of 42,742 total MD applicants, including foreign applicants (meaning CA residents represented 11.6% of all applicants)

2,154 California residents matriculated into SOME US MD school. 18,665 people matriculated into US MD schools. That means 11.5% of the matriculants into US MD schools were CA residents. This number goes against the claim that California residents were discriminated against in the overall medical admissions process, since a 0.1% difference between national and CA resident matriculation percentage is not statistically significant.

Out of those 2,154 CA residents who matriculated somewhere, 856 of them were able to stay in CA.

There are a total of 1,100 MD seats in CA. Once again, there were a total of 18,665 available seats (assuming that the number of matriculants is the same as available seats). 5.9% of the available seats in the country are in CA. This number supports the claim that CA is vastly undersupported in terms of available seats when compared with the percent of applicants coming from the state (11.6%).

By way of comparison to the IS-friendly state of Texas, they have 1,448 available seats (7.8% of the nationwide seats) but they have 3,427 applicants (8.0% of the nationwide applicants). This shows that the numbers are skewed toward having a lower % of available seats than % of applicants in a state due to some states not having a medical school. Those states contribute a number of applicants to the pool without contributing any seats to the stats.

As far as CA being OOS-friendly or not, since there were 856 CA residents who stayed in CA for med school out of 1,100 seats, that means 77.8% of the CA medical schools spots went to CA residents. It's up to you to decide if that is OOS friendly or not. Of course, the UC schools are much less OOS friendly than the privates.

Here are the take-home messages:
1. CA applicants don't appear to be disadvantaged in the overall "admissions game", as long as they are willing to leave the state.
2. CA does not contribute enough seats to the overall US MD pool, forcing us 😎 Californians to apply and matriculate elsewhere.

All of these stats are the latest available from AMCAS (using 2010 year) from the AMCAS Facts page https://www.aamc.org/data/facts/applicantmatriculant/
 
I'm having trouble picking OOS schools. What should I give more consideration: how OOS friendly or how close to my stats?

For example, I have a 29 mcat. Is it worthless to apply to OOS-friendly schools that have a 31+ median? Or should I apply to less OOS-friendly schools with medians closer to mine?
 
I'm having trouble picking OOS schools. What should I give more consideration: how OOS friendly or how close to my stats?

For example, I have a 29 mcat. Is it worthless to apply to OOS-friendly schools that have a 31+ median? Or should I apply to less OOS-friendly schools with medians closer to mine?

I have trouble picking OOS schools myself but I would think pick schools with median stats as close to yours as possible first then look at their percentage OOS that they interview and accept. Also make a thread in What are my chances. Catalysk might help you with it. Good luck.
 
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