How do you people think the pharmacy market will be like in 2022?

[futuredoctor246]

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[PharmtoCS]

Like the Hunger Games.

 

[deleted158872]

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[hopeandfaith123]

Ok it's not that's bad..way to be cynical... The pharmacist role is evolving ...there is prescriber status for pharmacists now ...you will just have to work hard like in any other field and evolve with the times...the baby boomers are aging and will need pharmacists ...the healthcare field need pharmacists and it's ur job to sell your expertise

 

[PharmtoCS]

Ok it's not that's bad..way to be cynical... The pharmacist role is evolving ...there is prescriber status for pharmacists now ...you will just have to work hard like in any other field and evolve with the times...the baby boomers are aging and will need pharmacists ...the healthcare field need pharmacists and it's ur job to sell your expertise

There is a huge difference between 1) the real state of the job market, and 2) what pharmacy schools tell you to get you to fork over $150k+ in tuition. What you are saying sounds a lot more like the latter.

 

[RxStudentatUB]

There's a shot at doing alright if you move to Alaska now, but by 2022 those stores will be well staffed also. Sorry.

 

[Sugoi Travis]

Ok it's not that's bad..way to be cynical... The pharmacist role is evolving ...there is prescriber provider status for pharmacists now ...you will just have to work hard like in any other field and evolve with the times...the baby boomers are aging and will need pharmacists

I used to think this way...until I went into pharmacy school. Provider (not prescriber) status is just a buzzword that academia throws at you to get you to be hyped up for what their definition of reality is, which is pretty far from what is really happening.

 

[RxStudentatUB]

In PCAT chemistry terms, Qsp > Ksp right now. Qsp >>>> Ksp by 2022.

 

[PharmHopefulLonghorn2015]

Ok it's not that's bad..way to be cynical... The pharmacist role is evolving ...there is prescriber status for pharmacists now ...you will just have to work hard like in any other field and evolve with the times...the baby boomers are aging and will need pharmacists ...the healthcare field need pharmacists and it's ur job to sell your expertise

I asked my supervising pharmacist what she thought of provider status. She said provider status is a phrase used by the shills of APhA, an organization notorious for ignoring the bleak situation of current and future pharmacists.

 

[rederza]

Dunno how it's going, but in texas we have seen the reemergence of a bill that allows doctors and optometrists to prescribe AND dispense. I have left the profession so it doesn't bother me enough to find out what those medications are, but rx students left and right are trying to protest the bill. Sure it's a conflict of interest, but maybe you should have picked a career that could be so easily replaced?

But I mean, it would save me a whole lot of time if I could just go to the drs office, get dx, and get the medicine all in one trip.

 

[hopeandfaith123]

Ok with every field it's competitive and replaceable .. Doctors are getting replaced by registered nurses just because they are cheaper to hire .. There are pro and cons to every field... with anything you'll just have to work hard and it'll all work out no one can predict the future right now all ur doing is just guessing and you don't know what it'll be like for pharmacists

 

[PharmtoCS]

Ok with every field it's competitive and replaceable .. Doctors are getting replaced by registered nurses just because they are cheaper to hire .. There are pro and cons to every field... with anything you'll just have to work hard and it'll all work out no one can predict the future right now all ur doing is just guessing and you don't know what it'll be like for pharmacists

Never heard of registered nurses (non-NPs) performing surgeries or making diagnoses, but the cons outweigh the benefits in pharmacy right now. The job market is already extremely saturated, yet schools continue to open and pump out graduates at a rate far faster than demand growth. By looking at the statistics, we're headed toward a 26% unemployment rate for new grads by 2018 and beyond.

There are other careers such as software engineering, accounting, finance, other engineering. and the trades that require much less education and student debt, yet provide much better job prospects and can pay as well, if not better than pharmacy.

Going into pharmacy is becoming similar to going to law school or the liberal arts. You spend a ton of time and take out a ton of student loans only to work at a low-paying job that is not even related to your major because the jobs in your field simply aren't there. A similar analogy would be buying a penny stock of a failing company in the hopes that it will make you rich because of course, no one can predict the future and we're all merely guessing it'll go to 0 even when it's right about to declare bankruptcy.

 

[Corpseman]

Never heard of registered nurses (non-NPs) performing surgeries or making diagnoses, but the cons outweigh the benefits in pharmacy right now. The job market is already extremely saturated, yet schools continue to open and pump out graduates at a rate far faster than demand growth. By looking at the statistics, we're headed toward a 26% unemployment rate for new grads by 2018 and beyond.

There are other careers such as software engineering, accounting, finance, other engineering. and the trades that require much less education and student debt, yet provide much better job prospects and can pay as well, if not better than pharmacy.

Going into pharmacy is becoming similar to going to law school or the liberal arts. You spend a ton of time and take out a ton of student loans only to work at a low-paying job that is not even related to your major because the jobs in your field simply aren't there. A similar analogy would be buying a penny stock of a failing company in the hopes that it will make you rich because of course, no one can predict the future and we're all merely guessing it'll go to 0 even when it's right about to declare bankruptcy.

Please cite 26% unemployment

 

[RxStudentatUB]

Please cite 26% unemployment

I am not sure about 26% unemployment. I do think a lot of pharmacists will be UNDER-employed, working part time at decreased wages struggling to pay off their loans in a reasonable time. If schools keep opening like this, who is to say 25 hours per week for future pharmacists isn't possible?

 

[Gombrich12]

Please cite 26% unemployment

For the period of 2012-2022 the BLS is projecting 4,140 new jobs each year. They're also projecting about 6,800 pharmacists leaving the profession each year. So that's a total of about 11,000 available jobs for new graduates each year. If we assume there are 15,000 graduates yearly, that is 4,000 unemployed new grads or 26%. If you want to say there will only be 14,000 new grads you're still at 21%.

My prediction is that enrollments will climb a bit for the next few years before declining dramatically around 2019-2020.

Sources:
http://www.bls.gov/ooh/healthcare/pharmacists.htm
http://www.bls.gov/emp/ep_table_110.htm

 

[PittPharm87]

pharmacists are now considered providers.. so the job market is in even higher demand

 

[PharmtoCS]

pharmacists are now considered providers.. so the job market is in even higher demand

Provider status means nothing when we do not get reimbursed for it. Unless if we offer to work for free...

 

[PittPharm87]

why would we not get reimbursed for it

 

[PharmtoCS]

why would we not get reimbursed for it

They have been pushing MTM for the last decade, and "pharmaceutical care" before that. We still have yet to see any wide scale implementation, let alone reimbursement. "Provider status" will most likely end up the same way. They are all smoke and mirrors to inflate job prospects and convince us to pay $150k+ tuition for a degree.

 

[darknightzzz]

why would we not get reimbursed for it

pharmacists are now considered providers.. so the job market is in even higher demand

yea may be there is the provider status but why will pharmacist get reimbursed for counseling patients how to take drugs while the physicians already did that and there is the explanation on the sticker. Plus, all drug information is available online.

Do you really think patients (especially the ruthless insurance company) pay pharmacist extra for extra time talking?

 

[RxStudentatUB]

why would we not get reimbursed for it

http://drugtopics.modernmedicine.co...atus-fine-and-dandy-pharmacists-need-get-paid

 

[Guilded_Age]

It will be good my school said so when i handed my tuition check to them why would they lie about that?

Checkmate, you negative sourpusses.

 

[jagster92]

Dunno how it's going, but in texas we have seen the reemergence of a bill that allows doctors and optometrists to prescribe AND dispense. I have left the profession so it doesn't bother me enough to find out what those medications are, but rx students left and right are trying to protest the bill. Sure it's a conflict of interest, but maybe you should have picked a career that could be so easily replaced?

But I mean, it would save me a whole lot of time if I could just go to the drs office, get dx, and get the medicine all in one trip.

Idk how it is in every state, but in my state providers can dispense. There are certain restrictions/regulations on it but its doable.

 

[PharmaBound]

Once we begin prescribing we will be the highest demanded health care professionals. Washington is spearheading it. It will bring heath care options to the depths of every community, which is awesome!

 

[darknightzzz]

Once we begin prescribing we will be the highest demanded health care professionals. Washington is spearheading it. It will bring heath care options to the depths of every community, which is awesome!

are you high on drugs? or you just forget to take your own med?

 

[PharmaBound]

Do some research it just passed!

 

[PharmaBound]

The idea is for more accessible and affordable health care, which a professional like yourself should be excited about no?

 

[darknightzzz]

Do some research it just passed!

The idea is for more accessible and affordable health care, which a professional like yourself should be excited about no?

Yea even if the law is passed, the practice of pharmacist being able to prescribe is bothering. Since even specialist MD are limited on the meds they can prescribe. Pharmacist, with no deep and specialized education in pathology and diagnosis, will not and forever wont be able to prescribe.

Drugs are dangerous, in which only MDs and DOs and some NP have the power over.

please wake up

 

[PharmtoCS]

Once we begin prescribing we will be the highest demanded health care professionals. Washington is spearheading it. It will bring heath care options to the depths of every community, which is awesome!

Quick! Fork over $200k, or even $300k for a PharmD degree! The school doesn't matter!

 

[darknightzzz]

Quick! Fork over $200k, or even $300k for a PharmD degree! The school doesn't matter!

@PharmaBound please what do you seriously think that pharmacist will have the prescribing power?........ dont fool yourself

 

[RxStudentatUB]

@PharmaBound please what do you seriously think that pharmacist will have the prescribing power?........ dont fool yourself

Provider status is really cool. It gives me that warm fuzzy feeling down my spine.

 

[PharmtoCS]

Provider status is really cool. It gives me that warm fuzzy feeling down my spine.

It's a great thing to have a pharmacy school on every corner. Each family can have at least one pharmacist that can prescribe AND dispense drugs to family members. We no longer need doctors!

 

[darknightzzz]

lol come on...lets keep this real.....in case other members see and think its serious...........is it serious though?

 

[RxStudentatUB]

lol come on...lets keep this real.....in case other members see and think its serious...........is it serious though?

Fine, you grump. These pharmacy schools are definitely serious about provider status legally added to the pharmacist's responsibilities. Data and real life have a hard time backing up this claim. And when PharmD's start putting their hand in the NP and MD/DO pie, they will be shooed away by some politically powerful brooms. Nurses are a very clever group.

 

[darknightzzz]

Fine, you grump. These pharmacy schools are definitely serious about provider status legally added to the pharmacist's responsibilities. Data and real life have a hard time backing up this claim. And when PharmD's start putting their hand in the NP and MD/DO pie, they will be shooed away by some politically powerful brooms. Nurses are a very clever group.

lol even MD/DO can't prescribe ANYTHING they like. its very limited.

 

[PharmtoCS]

Provider status? *flop*

We're not quite at 2022 yet but things are definitely a lot worse than back in 2015. The BLS projects negative growth in the next 10 years, yet we still have 15,000 students graduating from pharmacy schools each year.

 

[Sleepingdoc]

Plumbing and electrical work gets paid more..

 

[mentos]

Why are "unsaturated" and "better" even options?

 

[PharmtoCS]

Ok it's not that's bad..way to be cynical... The pharmacist role is evolving ...there is prescriber status for pharmacists now ...you will just have to work hard like in any other field and evolve with the times...the baby boomers are aging and will need pharmacists ...the healthcare field need pharmacists and it's ur job to sell your expertise

#agedlikemilk

 

[PharmtoCS]

There's a shot at doing alright if you move to Alaska now, but by 2022 those stores will be well staffed also. Sorry.

Already happened by 2019-2020.

 

[TerryTerry]

Sounds like desperate schools are injecting provider nonsense stuffs into newbies to promote them to go to their schools

 

[PromisedNeverland]

This did not age well at all

 

[Marzapan]

Pharmacists do not know how to sell their worth because they don't know what their worth is and can't prove their worth. And we're expecting schools to train students on "proving their worth" before throwing them into the real world? LoL.

 

[gwarm01]

This did not age well at all

I was about to quote someone and say they are repeating the same arguments from a decade ago that never came to fruition, then I saw the date. Whoops.

 

[iamapharmacist]

Ok it's not that's bad..way to be cynical... The pharmacist role is evolving ...there is prescriber status for pharmacists now ...you will just have to work hard like in any other field and evolve with the times...the baby boomers are aging and will need pharmacists ...the healthcare field need pharmacists and it's ur job to sell your expertise

I remember being brainwashed with this nonsense while in school. lol.