How do you rank the unranked schools? GWU, SLU, VCU, Temple, Etc...

[uccalbear]

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Hello everyone,

I was wondering how you all are ranking the schools that dont participate in the USNews Ranking. I am particularly interested in George Washington University, Saint Louis University, Virginia Commonwealth University, and Temple University. How would you guys rank these and why? Which is the most prestigious?

Thanks

UCCalBear

 

[uccalbear]

Forgot to ask, but how do they compare to those on the USNews List? Would they be within the list or after the top 50?

 

[DrBowtie]

Its not that they don't participate it is they are below the top 50. I think it is hard to rank down to fifty much less all 140. Don't sweat US NEWS.

 

[YzIa]

Hello everyone,

I was wondering how you all are ranking the schools that dont participate in the USNews Ranking. I am particularly interested in George Washington University, Saint Louis University, Virginia Commonwealth University, and Temple University. How would you guys rank these and why? Which is the most prestigious?

Thanks

UCCalBear

These schools, or most of them do participate in the USNews rankings. They just do not rank in the top 50. This year SLU is 62 (or around there), last year VCU was around there but I believe fell off this year. GWU was unranked last year (they only rank the top 1/2) so I assume it is again, and I believe Temple is/was also unranked as well. I had full access to last years info, and do not have anything more than the free info to this years so thats why most of my details are from the previous year rankings.

You could rank them by how comfortable you would be and how you like the curriculum. I assume they will all match you similarly. I have only seen SLU's match list (04) which was quite good for its reputation.

 

[uccalbear]

I have gone online to the USNEW.com Medical listings which ranks 1-62 (12 more than the printed version) and that ranking doesnt rank any of the schools I mentioned. In fact all it has are N/A for research rank and primary care rank. It also says that if there isnt information then the school didnt participate. Where did you get your ranking of 62 for SLU? Also do residency programs give preference to schools based off this ranking system? Utah is the only ranked one that I have an acceptance from and the others I mentioned arent ranked at all...

UCCalBear

These schools, or most of them do participate in the USNews rankings. They just do not rank in the top 50. This year SLU is 62 (or around there), last year VCU was around there but I believe fell off this year. GWU was unranked last year (they only rank the top 1/2) so I assume it is again, and I believe Temple is/was also unranked as well. I had full access to last years info, and do not have anything more than the free info to this years so thats why most of my details are from the previous year rankings.

You could rank them by how comfortable you would be and how you like the curriculum. I assume they will all match you similarly. I have only seen SLU's match list (04) which was quite good for its reputation.

 

[Kazema]

Uh, SLU is ranked 62 in the 2005 list. Tied with MUSC and VCU.

And all schools "participate". If they are not on the list, it means they are ranked outside the top 62.

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/grad/rankings/about/06med_meth.php

The 124 medical schools fully accredited by the Liaison Committee on Medical Education plus the 19 schools of osteopathic medicine fully accredited by the American Osteopathic Association were surveyed for the ranking of research medical schools; 123 schools provided the data needed to calculate the research rankings based on the indicators used in the research model. The same medical and osteopathic schools were surveyed for the primary-care ranking; 123 schools provided the data needed to calculate the primary-care ranking. Both rankings are based on a weighted average of indicators, four of them common to both models. The research model factors in research activity; the primary-care model adds a measure of the proportion of graduates entering primary-care specialties.

 

[YzIa]

Uh, SLU is ranked 62 in the 2005 list. Tied with MUSC and VCU.

I believe that is actually the most current list (2006) list.

 

[DoctorV09]

is loyola anywhere in the ranking from 50-62? unless you pay, you can only see up to 50 on-line...just wondering 🙂

 

[willthatsall]

I wish they ranked every school because looking at the bottom 5 would be such perverse fun. I think people would be just as interested in that as in the top 10. Imagine if you had a friend going to THE bottom ranked med school in the country, wouldn't you get a lot of mileage out of that joke? I mean, sure, all U.S. med schools are good, but still. The bottom one? This needs to happen.

 

[DoctorV09]

I wish they ranked every school because looking at the bottom 5 would be such perverse fun. I think people would be just as interested in that as in the top 10. Imagine if you had a friend going to THE bottomr ranked med school in the country, wouldn't you get a lot of mileage out of that joke? I mean, sure, all U.S. med schools are good, but still. The bottom one? This needs to happen.

haha i think they should rank them all too--at least the top 100, like US News does for law schools and then after that they can just put "tier 2" or whatever...it would make it easier to try and distinguish what school is better when neither is ranked.

 

[Kazema]

I believe that is actually the most current list (2006) list.

You're right of course, my mistake.

 

[YzIa]

haha i think they should rank them all too--at least the top 100, like US News does for law schools and then after that they can just put "tier 2" or whatever...it would make it easier to try and distinguish what school is better when neither is ranked.

The difference is there are only 126 allopathic medical schools and ~15-20 osteo and there are hundreds and hundreds of law schools. By ranking the lower schools they would probably hurt their ranking system more than it already is because those schools may not want to participate if they are going to be publicly ranked lowly. This way, its just bottom half instead of specifically #95 or something.

is loyola anywhere in the ranking from 50-62? unless you pay, you can only see up to 50 on-line...just wondering 🙂

Last year loyola was 65, its not in the top 62 this year.

 

[DoctorV09]

The difference is there are only 126 allopathic medical schools and ~15-20 osteo and there are hundreds and hundreds of law schools. By ranking the lower schools they would probably hurt their ranking system more than it already is because those schools may not want to participate if they are going to be publicly ranked lowly. This way, its just bottom half instead of specifically #95 or something.

Last year loyola was 65, its not in the top 62 this year.

Good point! And thanks 🙂

 

[Law2Doc]

The difference is there are only 126 allopathic medical schools and ~15-20 osteo and there are hundreds and hundreds of law schools. By ranking the lower schools they would probably hurt their ranking system more than it already is because those schools may not want to participate if they are going to be publicly ranked lowly. This way, its just bottom half instead of specifically #95 or something.

Last year loyola was 65, its not in the top 62 this year.

You may be right, but I wonder if perhaps the lower ranked schools who maybe aren't already perceived as low ranking could actually benefit, as they would see the number of applications skyrocket, as everyone who doesn't really have the numbers for med school would apply to those, and all the mid-level applicants would use them as safetys. They would have to weed through a ton more applications but might find a few gems. And their reported percentage of accepted versus applied would shoot up, as they would see more applications.
I also wonder why ratings lists like USWorld's don't use tiers, as was mentioned by a prior poster. This might be helpful to some, as there is really no difference in quality, prestige, etc. between eg. the med school ranked 55 versus the school ranked 65. Thoughts?

 

[USCTex]

Uh, SLU is ranked 62 in the 2005 list. Tied with MUSC and VCU.

And all schools "participate". If they are not on the list, it means they are ranked outside the top 62.

Not true. Plenty of schools refuse to provide their acceptance rate, average mcat, average gpa, etc.

Their motives may very well be because they don't want to be low or unranked.

I won't deny, especially for people interested in significant research the US News rankings have some signifigance. But the US News MED SCHOOL rankings are the least significant of the graduate school rankings. Consider, there are so few medical schools and there is no salary distinction based on medical school. If prestige has any effect on average income its residency based.

But look at law schools or business schools. There's so many, its comparatively easy to build the facilities for law school and to get accredited, so many lawyers are trained, that when you come out looking for a job it REALLY does matter the prestige of your institution. I can go to Harvard Law and come out making 150 or Bum St. and literally come out averaging 40,000 practicing the same type of law. Some of that disparity is based on the fact that the Harvard grad is going to be working in NY and the Bum St. grad Omaha but the big portion of it is the name on that degree...

In some ways the parity between medical schools is probably an argument for using tiers. But the argument would be that there's no distinction between Harvard, Wash U, whatever and US News will never do that cause people like seeing the #1.

 

[Heimerfink]

MS4 in top 15 school in midwest from east coast right off top of head:


Best
George Washington University
Virginia Commonwealth University
Temple University
Saint Louis University
Worst

very close overall though.

 

[metallica81788]

MS4 in top 15 school in midwest from east coast right off top of head:


Best
George Washington University
Virginia Commonwealth University
Temple University
Saint Louis University
Worst

very close overall though.

Did you go through 4 years of medical school just to answer this 5 year old question now?

 

[gravitywave]

EVIL medical school, perhaps... he should have stayed for the last two