How does a Baker Act affect me during Admissions?

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I was Baker Acted for suicidal ideation and self-harm by my psychologist.
  • No criminal intent or charges
  • 16 years old living in Florida
  • Signed up to be at the hospital voluntarily in order to switch from involuntarily
  • Left in about 3 days and a half
Does this have adverse affects at about 5-6 years down the road?
 
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I'm more worried about you than about the chances it will have during admissions. This is a hugely stressful career and mental issues could be exacerbated by med school.
 
Your private medical information (of which this is a part) is not part of the application process, so no, it won't hurt you.

Adolescence sucks, and temporary extremes can be just that - temporary. But your mental health, stability and resilience are factors you should consider carefully before committing yourself to a medical career. This road is a very long and excruciatingly difficult one, and not the best choice for a great many people for a great many reasons. Don't choose a career that won't ultimately be the best one for your whole life just to prove you're capable of it.
 
private medical information is private medical information. med schools have no business looking there.
 
Finish high school first.
Already did
Your private medical information (of which this is a part) is not part of the application process, so no, it won't hurt you.

Adolescence sucks, and temporary extremes can be just that - temporary. But your mental health, stability and resilience are factors you should consider carefully before committing yourself to a medical career. This road is a very long and excruciatingly difficult one, and not the best choice for a great many people for a great many reasons. Don't choose a career that won't ultimately be the best one for your whole life just to prove you're capable of it.
Fortunately, I have a while until I start Pre-Med. Commitments have already been made, no turning back.
private medical information is private medical information. med schools have no business looking there.
I'm glad to hear it:clap:
 
It is of note that many people are diagnosed with mental illness during college and medical school. One of the doctors I shadowed told me that at least half of his classmates said that they were on anti-anxiety and/or anti-depressants by the end of med school. The awareness surrounding mental illness has increased. I congratulate you on addressing your issues at 16 and working on them. It takes many people longer than that.
 
But your mental health, stability and resilience are factors you should consider carefully before committing yourself to a medical career. This road is a very long and excruciatingly difficult one, and not the best choice for a great many people for a great many reasons. Don't choose a career that won't ultimately be the best one for your whole life just to prove you're capable of it.
I wish more people would listen to this. Going thru med school to prove to other people that you're capable of it is a recipe for disaster with very bad consequences.
 
Already did

Fortunately, I have a while until I start Pre-Med. Commitments have already been made, no turning back.

I'm glad to hear it:clap:

Congratulations on already completing high school!
And it sounds like you've been accepted into a BS -> MD program? If so, congratulations again! Those are tough to get into --

But I do stand by my earlier advice to carefully evaluate - with an open mind - whether medicine is really the best path or not. Having already been accepted (if that's what your post means), do it from a position of strength and confidence. The level of pre-med and med student neuroticism here should give you pause. Should give anyone pause. Whether you decide to move forward or not, then best wishes to you. But do it for the right reasons and having considered all the options. At 16, it is far to early to simply say "commitments have already been made". At 16, you get to change your mind, and should feel free to do so.
 
It is of note that many people are diagnosed with mental illness during college and medical school. One of the doctors I shadowed told me that at least half of his classmates said that they were on anti-anxiety and/or anti-depressants by the end of med school. The awareness surrounding mental illness has increased. I congratulate you on addressing your issues at 16 and working on them. It takes many people longer than that.
Anxiety impairs my day to day functioning, but thank you it was only logical 🙂
Congratulations on already completing high school!
And it sounds like you've been accepted into a BS -> MD program? If so, congratulations again! Those are tough to get into --

But I do stand by my earlier advice to carefully evaluate - with an open mind - whether medicine is really the best path or not. Having already been accepted (if that's what your post means), do it from a position of strength and confidence. The level of pre-med and med student neuroticism here should give you pause. Should give anyone pause. Whether you decide to move forward or not, then best wishes to you. But do it for the right reasons and having considered all the options. At 16, it is far to early to simply say "commitments have already been made". At 16, you get to change your mind, and should feel free to do so.
Whoops, that was a little exaggerative 🤔 Unfortunately not, I made a commitment of becoming an MA to help with various things. More in depth just in case you're wondering. I'm aware I have a lot of time on my hands, so I chose to use them as wise as I know how. Wish me luck!
 
If this is the case, you realize medicine will make this worse right?
Any job will make this worse. Am I supposed to lay idle and not fight? I have my psychologist and medication to back me up. Success has its hardships; this is one of them.
 
Any job will make this worse. Am I supposed to lay idle and not fight? I have my psychologist and medication to back me up. Success has its hardships; this is one of them.
Your Sophocles quote aside, you're wrong. Residency training and being a physician is not treated like "any job". The expectations by your superiors are so much higher. Not being a physician is not equivalent to laying idle, far from it. Anxiety is not GERD. Real people commit suicide in this career at higher rates than the general public and you're at even greater risk.
 
Your Sophocles quote aside, you're wrong. Residency training and being a physician is not treated like "any job". The expectations by your superiors are so much higher. Not being a physician is not equivalent to laying idle, far from it. Anxiety is not GERD. Real people commit suicide in this career at higher rates than the general public and you're at even greater risk.
  • I have about 8-10 years before I am in residency(Not even in Pre-Med yet).
  • Lots of adolescences suffer from anxiety/depression. Does that mean they should sway away from their ambitions? Not necessarily, I have a lot of maturing to do.
  • Let's pray I don't kill myself :nod:
Regardless of what people have to say, I will still become a physician.
 
  • I have about 8-10 years before I am in residency(Not even in Pre-Med yet).
  • Lots of adolescences suffer from anxiety/depression. Does that mean they should sway away from their ambitions?
What does that have to do with anything? There is no magic switch in 8 years. And I'm sorry, but that second point just is not true in terms of prevalence. Anxiety and Depression are real diseases.
 
  • I have about 8-10 years before I am in residency(Not even in Pre-Med yet).
  • Lots of adolescences suffer from anxiety/depression. Does that mean they should sway away from their ambitions? Not necessarily, I have a lot of maturing to do.
  • Let's pray I don't kill myself :nod:
Regardless of what people have to say, I will still become a physician.
Why would you want to become a physician if depression is already such a huge theme in your life? Physicians have among the highest suicide rates of all professions (frequently quoted as THE highest), and are also very efficient at it.
Many teens have anxiety/self esteem issues, yes. Not many teens progress to anywhere near your stage (no offense).

Please, for your own sake don't become a pre-med.
 
This is an interesting discussion. On one hand, I completely agree with everything everyone is saying. On the other hand, if I had anxiety, I wouldn't want to let it deter me from trying to achieve my dreams. Wouldn't that just pretty much be admitting that "I let it win?"
 
  • I have about 8-10 years before I am in residency(Not even in Pre-Med yet).
  • Lots of adolescences suffer from anxiety/depression. Does that mean they should sway away from their ambitions? Not necessarily, I have a lot of maturing to do.
  • Let's pray I don't kill myself :nod:
Regardless of what people have to say, I will still become a physician.

I think you should concentrate on getting through high school and into a good college. Baby steps first! You can't run before you walk. To say you are putting the cart before the horse is an understatement of a huge proportion.

Also, you seem to have the misconception that you are cured of mental illness. While I applaud you for being proactive in seeking help, your mental illness is something that will impact you in many ways throughout your life. Saying it won't and that you can overcome anything, regardless of your anxiety and issues is shortsighted and misinformed.

Again, I suggest you take it one day at a time. Graduate from high school first and then college then take the MCAT, apply to school and go from there. To be planning this long, winding journey out so far in advance when you have no idea of the twists and turns you will be taking to get there is just futile.
 
If everybody who has ever struggled with mental illness (honestly speaking, not just those who actually sought treatment) avoided becoming a physician, as some in this thread seem to think should happen, there'd be a LOT fewer doctors around.

Is it stressful? Yes.
Is that something that people (all people, but yes, particularly those with mental health concerns) should weigh carefully before committing? Yup.
But to have mental health issues be an automatic "nope, you should not go into medicine" is extreme and unnecessary.
 
If everybody who has ever struggled with mental illness (honestly speaking, not just those who actually sought treatment) avoided becoming a physician, as some in this thread seem to think should happen, there'd be a LOT fewer doctors around.

Is it stressful? Yes.
Is that something that people (all people, but yes, particularly those with mental health concerns) should weigh carefully before committing? Yup.
But to have mental health issues be an automatic "nope, you should not go into medicine" is extreme and unnecessary.

This is true, but it shoudl definitely be taken into account. Would you go get a job in a bar if you were an alcoholic? It would not be the smartest thing. You be the best bartender around, make tons of money and love the job, but it would put you in a perilous spot as far as your issues. It is the same with medicine. No one is saying "don't be a doctor if you have mental issues" but many people who have been through residency and say how taxing it is. Just food for thought!
 
Regardless of what people have to say, I will still become a physician.

This is an interesting discussion. On one hand, I completely agree with everything everyone is saying. On the other hand, if I had anxiety, I wouldn't want to let it deter me from trying to achieve my dreams. Wouldn't that just pretty much be admitting that "I let it win?"

Determination is a positive thing.
Blind determination is a negative thing.

The difference between the two is whether you recognize 'legitimate caution signs' and adjust your pace and path accordingly or whether you shut your eyes , continue chanting and blindly plow right through them. I'm hearing a lot of the latter instead of the former.

Work on your emotional health first OP. Build up the resilience, the coping skills, the confidence for dealing with awkward and anxiety-provoking situations, the interpersonal and conflict-resolution skills. That's the best way you can spend your time right now.
 
This is true, but it shoudl definitely be taken into account. Would you go get a job in a bar if you were an alcoholic? It would not be the smartest thing. You be the best bartender around, make tons of money and love the job, but it would put you in a perilous spot as far as your issues. It is the same with medicine. No one is saying "don't be a doctor if you have mental issues" but many people who have been through residency and say how taxing it is. Just food for thought!
I don't disagree with your sentiment (it's what I just said), but people are coming pretty damn close to outright stating "don't be a doctor if you have mental issues" and that's what I'm taking issue with.

Why would you want to become a physician if depression is already such a huge theme in your life? Physicians have among the highest suicide rates of all professions (frequently quoted as THE highest), and are also very efficient at it.
Many teens have anxiety/self esteem issues, yes. Not many teens progress to anywhere near your stage (no offense).

Please, for your own sake don't become a pre-med.
This post, for example...
 
I don't disagree with your sentiment (it's what I just said), but people are coming pretty damn close to outright stating "don't be a doctor if you have mental issues" and that's what I'm taking issue with.


This post, for example...
That's not what I'm saying. I'm pointing out that entering a high-stress, competitive field with documented linkage to mental disorders when already predisposed to existing depressive conditions is cause for concern, both for the OP as a physician and for potential future patients.

I'm in no way saying only perfect people should become physicians; God knows how far that is from the truth.
 
That's not what I'm saying. I'm pointing out that entering a high-stress, competitive field with documented linkage to mental disorders when already predisposed to existing depressive conditions is cause for concern, both for the OP as a physician and for potential future patients.

I'm in no way saying only perfect people should become physicians; God knows how far that is from the truth.
:shrug: Hey, if you'd left it at that, I'd be in complete agreement. That's what the rest of the thread says.

That's not how your previous post reads. "Please don't become a pre-med" goes beyond "be careful and consider these drawbacks" and into "you should not go into medicine because of this" territory.
 
:shrug: Hey, if you'd left it at that, I'd be in complete agreement. That's what the rest of the thread says.

That's not how your previous post reads. "Please don't become a pre-med" goes beyond "be careful and consider these drawbacks" and into "you should not go into medicine because of this" territory.
My bad. I might have worded it a little stronger than I intended after reading the "Regardless of what people have to say, I will still become a physician" line from the OP.
 
My bad. I might have worded it a little stronger than I intended after reading the "Regardless of what people have to say, I will still become a physician" line from the OP.
Fair enough! 👍

Having been there myself, I guess I'm a little understanding of such resolute statements. I absolutely agree that a lot of thought has to be given to the stresses and difficulties of going into medicine with a history of mental illness, but once you have put that thought in and decided to move forward with it, having a firm "I can and will do this" attitude can actually turn into a really helpful tool for pulling yourself out of your bad mental habits. I'm sure OP will reevaluate several times between age 16 and age 20-something, especially with the advice given in this thread, but in between each check-in, I don't see any reason for them to be less resolute than anyone else going for it!
 
Just be aware that med school can break even healthy students. I've seen this happen with my own, and one of my SDN "advisees" was dismissed from med school due to a poorly treated mental illness.

  • I have about 8-10 years before I am in residency(Not even in Pre-Med yet).
  • Lots of adolescences suffer from anxiety/depression. Does that mean they should sway away from their ambitions? Not necessarily, I have a lot of maturing to do.
  • Let's pray I don't kill myself :nod:
Regardless of what people have to say, I will still become a physician.
 
OP,

I hope this doesn't come off as judgemental because I don't know you or your situation, but between graduating high school early, being an overachiever, and your history of anxiety, I would guess that you have a lot of pressure on you (whether it's from family or whatever). Just keep in mind you are 16 and still technically a kid. Nobody expects anything more than for you to be a kid. When you are 16 and 17, you should have some fun and enjoy life because once you jump into this, you're in it. Having gone through it, pre-med (and college in general) make it easy to forget some of the other things in life. Spend some time with your friends, hangout, and just do some stuff that you like to do.

In all, it's your life. But remember at the end of the day, you don't have to answer to anybody but yourself. Do what you wanna do. You deserve to be happy and have fun with YOUR life.
 
If the answer to your question were yes, would your statement still hold? If so, why do you ask?
I would most likely attempt to become a physician anyway, eventually. If I had to, I'd practice in another country where I have family.
What does that have to do with anything? There is no magic switch in 8 years. And I'm sorry, but that second point just is not true in terms of prevalence. Anxiety and Depression are real diseases.
That is correct; there is no magic switch. There is, however, increments to your recovery. People get better.
Why would you want to become a physician if depression is already such a huge theme in your life? Physicians have among the highest suicide rates of all professions (frequently quoted as THE highest), and are also very efficient at it.
Many teens have anxiety/self esteem issues, yes. Not many teens progress to anywhere near your stage (no offense).

Please, for your own sake don't become a pre-med.
My depression manifest in apathy and lack of concentration, usually. I feel like it's not as harmful any more; it is just disabling. You're right, I shouldn't become a Pre-Med. I actually decided to become a Pre-Med when I'm 18 and have my affairs, external and internal, under control.
This is an interesting discussion. On one hand, I completely agree with everything everyone is saying. On the other hand, if I had anxiety, I wouldn't want to let it deter me from trying to achieve my dreams. Wouldn't that just pretty much be admitting that "I let it win?"
And I agree completely. I will do everything I can, so I never feel like my mental illness brought me to my knees.
I think you should concentrate on getting through high school and into a good college. Baby steps first! You can't run before you walk. To say you are putting the cart before the horse is an understatement of a huge proportion.

Also, you seem to have the misconception that you are cured of mental illness. While I applaud you for being proactive in seeking help, your mental illness is something that will impact you in many ways throughout your life. Saying it won't and that you can overcome anything, regardless of your anxiety and issues is shortsighted and misinformed.

Again, I suggest you take it one day at a time. Graduate from high school first and then college then take the MCAT, apply to school and go from there. To be planning this long, winding journey out so far in advance when you have no idea of the twists and turns you will be taking to get there is just futile.
I'm already done with high school. I by no means believe I'm cured, and yes, I am taking baby steps. Waiting until I'm 18 and doing other less intensive EC's should be beneficial.
Determination is a positive thing.
Blind determination is a negative thing.

The difference between the two is whether you recognize 'legitimate caution signs' and adjust your pace and path accordingly or whether you shut your eyes , continue chanting and blindly plow right through them. I'm hearing a lot of the latter instead of the former.

Work on your emotional health first OP. Build up the resilience, the coping skills, the confidence for dealing with awkward and anxiety-provoking situations, the interpersonal and conflict-resolution skills. That's the best way you can spend your time right now.
It's a long journey to "full and complete recovery", but wish me luck.
Also, OP you are 16. Get off SDN before it drives you crazy like the rest of us. Go live life.
I'm already hooked :laugh:
My bad. I might have worded it a little stronger than I intended after reading the "Regardless of what people have to say, I will still become a physician" line from the OP.
Sorry, I didn't mean to come of as cocky.
OP,

I hope this doesn't come off as judgemental because I don't know you or your situation, but between graduating high school early, being an overachiever, and your history of anxiety, I would guess that you have a lot of pressure on you (whether it's from family or whatever). Just keep in mind you are 16 and still technically a kid. Nobody expects anything more than for you to be a kid. When you are 16 and 17, you should have some fun and enjoy life because once you jump into this, you're in it. Having gone through it, pre-med (and college in general) make it easy to forget some of the other things in life. Spend some time with your friends, hangout, and just do some stuff that you like to do.

In all, it's your life. But remember at the end of the day, you don't have to answer to anybody but yourself. Do what you wanna do. You deserve to be happy and have fun with YOUR life.
Fortunately, I was not pressured at all. I actually dropped out and got my GED, so I'll have to take a more untraditional route to medical school. And thank you, I really didn't realize that at times I get really occupied and forget to actually enjoy myself. I'll seriously think things through before I start Pre-Med, and try to be happy under any hardships I might endure.
 
I would most likely attempt to become a physician anyway, eventually. If I had to, I'd practice in another country where I have family.

Then your mind is made. There is certainly value in hearing other views when you're set on something. But whatever the situation, if a matter is decided, other opinions will only serve to better clarify the circumstances of your decision, not what your decision will be.

It's an important thing to understand. Happens in surgery clinics all the time — patients are often set on surgery, and the role of explaining other options is simply to inform the patient of what their decision entails and forgoes.
 
I stopped reading the replies after the first 20 or so. Medicine is a very burdensome training process. Maintain a STRONG relationship with your MHP.
 
Then your mind is made. There is certainly value in hearing other views when you're set on something. But whatever the situation, if a matter is decided, other opinions will only serve to better clarify the circumstances of your decision, not what your decision will be.

It's an important thing to understand. Happens in surgery clinics all the time — patients are often set on surgery, and the role of explaining other options is simply to inform the patient of what their decision entails and forgoes.
The question posed by OP wasn't whether they should go for the MD, but simply whether there were any logistical issues that they should be prepared for given their history. This isn't the case of someone asking for advice when their mind was already made up (rendering the advice pointless) but rather people raising unsolicited, yet legitimate/helpful concerns and the OP's mind being made up on that front.
 
The question posed by OP wasn't whether they should go for the MD, but simply whether there were any logistical issues that they should be prepared for given their history. This isn't the case of someone asking for advice when their mind was already made up (rendering the advice pointless) but rather people raising unsolicited, yet legitimate/helpful concerns and the OP's mind being made up on that front.

Actually to this point, there is some aspect of licensing that could potentially be affected by mental illness issues. While the OP and any other person who is pursuing becoming a physician do not have to disclose a mental illness on applications to medical school or even when applying for licensure after residency, should there be any missteps or flare ups of mental illness while in practice, it could be grounds for suspension or revocation of the physician's license to practice. For instance, becoming stressed and having a breakdown could cause harm or incorrect management of a patient. This could cause a major issue should the state's medical board become aware of this, either through a complaint directly to the board or through a malpractice lawsuit (in which any settlement automatically means you are called in front of the board to explain).
If the physician suffers from mental illness and blames this as the cause of the issue, the board typically follows their progress through reports by a psychiatrist/treatment team working with the doc. There are regular reports sent to the board for a set period of time until the physician proves that they are stable, compliant with medications and able to safely practice. In my state, this is a somewhat anonymous process, but should the physician not follow through on the treatment set out by the board designated treatment team, the physician's license can be yanked.
 
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