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http://espn.go.com/nba/draft2014/st...isaiah-austin-career-ending-medical-condition

You'd think something we all learn about during first year and is commonly board tested would be something none of us would miss. I don't understand how a doctor could perform 4 surgeries on this kid and this never came up as a potential diagnosis. It makes me scared for the potential mistakes I might make in the future.
How many tall kids are you going to send for genetic testing?
 
How many tall kids are you going to send for genetic testing?

How many tall kids with retinal detachment? How common is it for a regular kid to present with retinal detachment and blindness after just playing outside?

And idk me being a pessimist and Goljan listener... I'll probably always have an extremely high index of suspicion for something abnormal for any patient who is over 7 feet tall. That being said, in no way am I saying that this definitely should have been caught and that wasn't my intent of the post.
 
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It's super easy to miss a diagnosis, in any field of medicine.

That's why we encourage trainees to stay humble and stay curious.

It's much easier to Monday-morning quarterback. Without knowing the details of the case id certainly not assume that the physicians who've previously taken care of him are at fault.
 
How many tall kids are you going to send for genetic testing?


During a sports physical, its actually pretty common to test for marfan if the patient has a marfanoid body type.
 
How many tall kids with retinal detachment? How common is it for a regular kid to present with retinal detachment and blindness after just playing outside?

And idk me being a pessimist and Goljan listener... I'll probably always have an extremely high index of suspicion for something abnormal for any patient who is over 7 feet tall.
I'm just saying it's easy to Monday morning QB. Everyone has misses.

Gotta titrate your level of comfort with disease prevalence and PPV or else you're going to be ordering a lot of testing.
 
http://espn.go.com/nba/draft2014/st...isaiah-austin-career-ending-medical-condition

You'd think something we all learn about during first year and is commonly board tested would be something none of us would miss. I don't understand how a doctor could perform 4 surgeries on this kid and this never came up as a potential diagnosis. It makes me scared for the potential mistakes I might make in the future.

I'm forgetting so many things already and it hasn't even been a week since I took step 1. No one's perfect but we do our best.
 
Don't worry, Dr. House will sweep up the dirty mess of all those missed diagnoses.

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It's not that uncommon for high level athletes to have undiagnosed conditions. The NFL combine ends the careers of a handful each year in the million dollar work ups.

Definitely. A kid from my hometown that made it to the NFL and was playing actually had to retire early despite being pretty promising because of an undiagnosed kidney issue. I wish there was an easy cost-effective way to screen high schoolers for HCM though. A few lives would be saved every year if that were to come about.

Actually, now that it's discovered...he does appear to have an unusually long arm span. The lens, the height...of course it's always easy to see the Dx after it's revealed.

In other news, what's up with that blonde interviewer? She needs to control her expressions a little bit.
Yea, hindsight is 20/20.
Interviewer seems primed for a medical school clinical skills class. Patient in clear emotional distress... "I know this can be very difficult for you. Is there anything else you would like to tell me about your disease right now?"
 
http://espn.go.com/nba/draft2014/st...isaiah-austin-career-ending-medical-condition

You'd think something we all learn about during first year and is commonly board tested would be something none of us would miss. I don't understand how a doctor could perform 4 surgeries on this kid and this never came up as a potential diagnosis. It makes me scared for the potential mistakes I might make in the future.
Do you think clinicians remember the **** they learn on Step 1 when those conditions are zebras?
 
It's super easy to miss a diagnosis, in any field of medicine.

That's why we encourage trainees to stay humble and stay curious.

It's much easier to Monday-morning quarterback. Without knowing the details of the case id certainly not assume that the physicians who've previously taken care of him are at fault.
THIS.
 
How many tall kids with retinal detachment? How common is it for a regular kid to present with retinal detachment and blindness after just playing outside?

And idk me being a pessimist and Goljan listener... I'll probably always have an extremely high index of suspicion for something abnormal for any patient who is over 7 feet tall. That being said, in no way am I saying that this definitely should have been caught and that wasn't my intent of the post.
Have you walked into MS-3 yet?
 
Do you think clinicians remember the **** they learn on Step 1 when those conditions are zebras?
Have you walked into MS-3 yet?

No & no. But again, that wasn't my point of posting. Ideally no one would be afflicted with disease, but that isn't life. To me, when I see things, though it is a little depressing, part of me does get excited knowing that I know what a person has and what the cause is. Literally watched this guy walking by the window at B&N yesterday because I found it amazing that his hemiplegic gait was spot on with all the videos I had seen.

I posted it because stories like this are crazy to hear and I figured maybe other people would want to know who might not otherwise have been exposed to it. Additionally, sometimes we dismiss things we learn early on in basic sciences if they aren't too prevalent, but it helps IMO when you can see that these things can happen to anyone, especially prominent people. I remember learning about Marfan syndrome first year and the lecturer said, yea and they say Abraham Lincoln might have had it.

Again, I don't think really that it SHOULD have gotten picked up on. His first eye issue was after taking a baseball to the face, so it would have been tough for anyone to make the connection. I'm sure once I begin MS3 I'll be programmed to use Occam's razor as my motto, but until then let me live in the fantasy world that I might actually remember, get to come across and appropriately treat even half of these diseases we learn about early on. Doesn't everyone want to be a doctor because they watched House?
 
Diagnoses get missed all the time. The worst part is you won't know just how many you've missed because you will never find out. There's a lot of older patients that code and pass in the hospital that everyone has their theory on, but without an autopsy, we'll just never know exactly what did them in. You'll really wonder about done of the head scratchers, questioning whether there was something you did wrong or if they could have been saved if you'd only asked the right questions. But the worst part is not even knowing what the right questions were to begin with, since it's a mystery that goes right to the patient's grave.
 
I read about this story, felt really bad for this kid. Seems like he has got a pretty positive attitude.

Missing a diagnoses like marfans has a lot to do with who he's been seeing/doctors/hospitals. If you haven't seen a marfan case and this tall lanky kid comes in you aren't going to be thinking marfans. It is quite shocking how they missed it after the retinal detachment though. But i wonder if he had gone to some rural area where they don't see any complex cases.
 
Reminds me of a funny story our dean has told..

As a resident a rotating medical student proposed Marfan's on one of the patients. My dean didn't think that was the case but said what the hell go check it out to the med student. The next day when the dean was seeing the patient he was very distraught, so dean asks him why that is. Patient responds "I know I'm dying now doc, you had that med student in yesterday measuring me for my coffin!"
 
My mother told me about this, sometimes the physician has to be smart (more than usual). Once she said that a woman came with some symptoms and she said that she was suffering from that since a long time and that no physician that she visited before really knew what she has...My mother took a look at the list of all the drugs that were prescribed to her and from that she was able to find the rest of the symptomes that were hidden -because of the drugs. From there she did a good diagnosis and the woman recovered after and her husband came to the hospital to thank her and bla bla bla. My mother said that he was in the army, a very intimidating man and he was looking for her to thank her while she was a resident, ignoring the rest of the stuff...she said that it was embarassing for her....Conclusion: Sometimes the physician keeps treating the symptoms instead of the disease that is behind them all and by doing so, he is hidding them and making the diagnosis difficult to do.
 
This question was on my pathology exam word for word today thxleave.
 
This question was on my pathology exam word for word today thxleave.
That isn't me lol. Heard you guys had some examsoft problems though :laugh:

Definitely happens. There's a woman who had the beginning stages of Myasthenia Gravis and two doctors couldn't help her or tell her what she had.

It happens even in more ordinary cases. When I was 17, there was an ER doctor who sent me home because I guess I wasn't wailing in pain enough for him to do a better job of diagnosing my problem. Two days later I was admitted.

Same here now that I think about it. Had what seemed to be a pretty serious issue. ER doc at the first hospital I went to said don't worry about it just go home. Symptoms exacerbated next day. Went to another hospital and was told they couldn't believe I wasn't admitted.
 
Definitely happens. There's a woman who had the beginning stages of Myasthenia Gravis and two doctors couldn't help her or tell her what she had.

It happens even in more ordinary cases. When I was 17, there was an ER doctor who sent me home because I guess I wasn't wailing in pain enough for him to do a better job of diagnosing my problem. Two days later I was admitted.
good job on the doctor, he saved 2 days of precious bed availability.
 
good job on the doctor, he saved 2 days of precious bed availability.
and will probably end up making me a more vigilant doctor. somebody get that guy a medal.
 
Regardless, I was seriously flabergasted, I took my path final today and it described what isaiah looked like and then asked what would be a complication for him. So first you had to read this thread or know they were talking about Marfan's then since it didn't have aortic dissection or berry aneurysm, i chose hip osteoarthritis.
 
Easier than you think. I have EDS-II with a vascular variant. I, like most people with EDS or Marfan's, went almost 2 decades undiagnosed (and I was on the "lucky" side) and was only diagnosed after something went horribly wrong. Just because you learn about it in med school doesn't mean it's going to pop into your head 15 years down the road having come across only a small handful of us in practice. But as long as you're willing to listen to your patients and go to your colleagues and the literature when you are unsure or questioning a differential dx, you'll miss less far less than you catch. And that might be pedantic and pedestrian, but from the perspective of a life-long patient and someone with multiple rare dxs and one *extremely* rare dx (aggressive systemic mastocytosis), it makes all the difference. Take it or leave it.
 
Easier than you think. I have EDS-II with a vascular variant. I, like most people with EDS or Marfan's, went almost 2 decades undiagnosed (and I was on the "lucky" side) and was only diagnosed after something went horribly wrong. Just because you learn about it in med school doesn't mean it's going to pop into your head 15 years down the road having come across only a small handful of us in practice. But as long as you're willing to listen to your patients and go to your colleagues and the literature when you are unsure or questioning a differential dx, you'll miss less far less than you catch. And that might be pedantic and pedestrian, but from the perspective of a life-long patient and someone with multiple rare dxs and one *extremely* rare dx (aggressive systemic mastocytosis), it makes all the difference. Take it or leave it.
thank you for sharing. Could you tell me what doctors were assuming when certain symptoms would appear? Also, do you remember which symptoms appeared first? 🙂
 
thank you for sharing. Could you tell me what doctors were assuming when certain symptoms would appear? Also, do you remember which symptoms appeared first? 🙂

This does not lend itself to brevity. I apologize in advance.

I was born mast cell active; I don't know too many infants who were immediately allergic to breast milk 😉 But, having been born in the 80's, systemic mastocytosis wasn't the first thing on most docs minds but autoimmune disease was. So when, at the age of 4 or so, I started complaining of joint pain (with a significant family history of lupus/RA/Hashimoto's/UC/Sjogren's/Scleroderma/etc.), they started looking for JRA and associated diagnoses. Everything - at that point in time - came back relatively normal with the exception of my CRP and sed rate (both chronically elevated but assumed to be associated with my almost constant allergic reactions to everything in my environment). It wasn't until I was 12 and saw the (in)famous C. Stephen Foster at Mass Eye and Ear that I had any true autoimmune dx (HLA-B27+, sky high IL-6, bilateral T-signs on a B-scan, and L4-L5 degeneration and evidence of spondyloarthropathy; posterior scleritis and ankylosing spondylitis FTW!).

I also started horseback riding at the age of 3 and by the time I was 6 I had several horses and was jumping competitively 3-5 days a week. So when I began to present with ankle pain, subluxations, dislocations, and soft tissue injuries, it was assumed that they were all sports related. Keep in mind, EDS patients are not always ridiculously hypermobile, nor do they always have hyperelastic skin. Each type of EDS has it's own hallmarks; the type I have makes us relatively hypermobile but I'm not going to be stuffing myself into a box, and my skin has normal elasticity. It's my tendons, ligaments, and vasculature that present significant problems and that can truly only be seen on biopsy.

It wasn't until I developed chronic pancreatitis around the age of 15 that my team of docs started to sit up and pay attention. I kept landing myself in the hospital for weeks on end on TPN with very little relief. I went in for a lap chole which resulted in some heinous scarring and also wound up with an appendectomy after discovering a chronically inflamed appendix with a completely obliterated tip, and ultimately some really crazy pathology (including a massive number of mast cells, and yet no one thought to do any IHC staining for tryptase...and this was done at MGH with path sent for verification to BWH...go figure). I had some relief, my amylase and lipase came down considerably, and then a few months later we were right back at it. I was in for stabilization and TPN; a few weeks before they'd found a hiatal hernia on an EGD and there was some discussion of wanting to go in and do a fundo when things quieted with my pancreas. Mind you, I'm reacting to every anesthetic, narcotic, NSAID, abx, and a few antiemetics that they are throwing my way and that is still being ignored, but I digress.

I've always been interested in science/medicine and since my GI and rheum felt sorry for me, they'd try to get me as many perks as they could. One of those was sending residents and fellows to chat with me when they were passing by so I could ask questions and learn a bit about what they did (mind you, 5 or 10 minutes at MOST and for the most part I'm sure they were interested in my case). One of those was a genetics fellow who happened to work with one of the preimenent EDS researchers in the area. When we got to chatting about my history (at that time, they'd dx'd Sphincter of Oddi dysfunction secondary to biliary dyskinesia and were planning an ERCP with biliary stenting once my pancreas settled again), he got curious and did a perfunctory Beighton scale test; I was a 7/8. I had an appointment with Joan Stoler (now at Children's) scheduled for the day I was discharged; the dx quickly followed. Had it not been for that one fellow who wasn't even seeing me as a patient, I don't know how long I would have gone or how many procedures I would have endured before we figured out what was driving this issue. The fundo was canceled, I had a sphincterotomy instead of stenting (an issue of scar tissue development), and all of my future orthopaedic surgeries were done with a lot more care, caution, and allographs 😉

As to the ASM, and ironically given a comment above about patients self-diagnosing with WebMD, I stumbled across that while I was doing research on extra-intestinal celiac and it's mimicking presentation of ALS in a case study from 2005(2007 maybe?). I was researching full-time at that point and this had come into question in regards to patients who were presenting with positive MRIs but an abnormal degenerative progression. I started digging and somehow came across mastocytosis and realized that I had every. damned. symptom. So I went to my immunologist and asked for him to get me in to see Cem Akin and a heme/onc. The short of it was that FISH staining of my BMB was negative, but no further IHC stainings for either CD2 or CD25 were performed, so for a number of years I operated under the dx of MCAD. Gut biopsies with positive tryptase staining of more than 20 cells per HPF made them go back and restain my bone marrow and do a few other biopsies (as related to some wonky LFTs and kidney functions) and voila, it's ASM. Median survival rate of 41 months and it's thought that I've been at it for almost 10 years (though it's hard to say when actual conversion from SM to ASM occurred). So now I live on a bunch of fun pharmaceuticals like Solumedrol, Xolair, Ilaris, Actemra, IV benadryl, Zyflo, cromolyn sodium, and Gleevec. I was just accepted into the NIH's mast cell clinic and am being evaluated as a candidate for a stem cell transplant which will basically be my only hope of going to med school; I only received the official dx of ASM a few weeks ago. Explains why things have been getting progressively worse for so long! At least my master's is online and I'll be able to finish that. Small victories, I suppose 🙂

Moral of the story is that sometimes a zebra IS a zebra and sometimes they walk into your office with something you haven't even thought of in a decade. Don't ignore the whole patient and definitely don't ignore their story, even if it seems unlikely. A lot of us (Marfan's, EDS, mast cell, etc.) don't ever look sick until we're actually dying. Pay attention anyways, you might - quite literally - save someone's life.
 
This does not lend itself to brevity. I apologize in advance.

I was born mast cell active; I don't know too many infants who were immediately allergic to breast milk 😉 But, having been born in the 80's, systemic mastocytosis wasn't the first thing on most docs minds but autoimmune disease was. So when, at the age of 4 or so, I started complaining of joint pain (with a significant family history of lupus/RA/Hashimoto's/UC/Sjogren's/Scleroderma/etc.), they started looking for JRA and associated diagnoses. Everything - at that point in time - came back relatively normal with the exception of my CRP and sed rate (both chronically elevated but assumed to be associated with my almost constant allergic reactions to everything in my environment). It wasn't until I was 12 and saw the (in)famous C. Stephen Foster at Mass Eye and Ear that I had any true autoimmune dx (HLA-B27+, sky high IL-6, bilateral T-signs on a B-scan, and L4-L5 degeneration and evidence of spondyloarthropathy; posterior scleritis and ankylosing spondylitis FTW!).

I also started horseback riding at the age of 3 and by the time I was 6 I had several horses and was jumping competitively 3-5 days a week. So when I began to present with ankle pain, subluxations, dislocations, and soft tissue injuries, it was assumed that they were all sports related. Keep in mind, EDS patients are not always ridiculously hypermobile, nor do they always have hyperelastic skin. Each type of EDS has it's own hallmarks; the type I have makes us relatively hypermobile but I'm not going to be stuffing myself into a box, and my skin has normal elasticity. It's my tendons, ligaments, and vasculature that present significant problems and that can truly only be seen on biopsy.

It wasn't until I developed chronic pancreatitis around the age of 15 that my team of docs started to sit up and pay attention. I kept landing myself in the hospital for weeks on end on TPN with very little relief. I went in for a lap chole which resulted in some heinous scarring and also wound up with an appendectomy after discovering a chronically inflamed appendix with a completely obliterated tip, and ultimately some really crazy pathology (including a massive number of mast cells, and yet no one thought to do any IHC staining for tryptase...and this was done at MGH with path sent for verification to BWH...go figure). I had some relief, my amylase and lipase came down considerably, and then a few months later we were right back at it. I was in for stabilization and TPN; a few weeks before they'd found a hiatal hernia on an EGD and there was some discussion of wanting to go in and do a fundo when things quieted with my pancreas. Mind you, I'm reacting to every anesthetic, narcotic, NSAID, abx, and a few antiemetics that they are throwing my way and that is still being ignored, but I digress.

I've always been interested in science/medicine and since my GI and rheum felt sorry for me, they'd try to get me as many perks as they could. One of those was sending residents and fellows to chat with me when they were passing by so I could ask questions and learn a bit about what they did (mind you, 5 or 10 minutes at MOST and for the most part I'm sure they were interested in my case). One of those was a genetics fellow who happened to work with one of the preimenent EDS researchers in the area. When we got to chatting about my history (at that time, they'd dx'd Sphincter of Oddi dysfunction secondary to biliary dyskinesia and were planning an ERCP with biliary stenting once my pancreas settled again), he got curious and did a perfunctory Beighton scale test; I was a 7/8. I had an appointment with Joan Stoler (now at Children's) scheduled for the day I was discharged; the dx quickly followed. Had it not been for that one fellow who wasn't even seeing me as a patient, I don't know how long I would have gone or how many procedures I would have endured before we figured out what was driving this issue. The fundo was canceled, I had a sphincterotomy instead of stenting (an issue of scar tissue development), and all of my future orthopaedic surgeries were done with a lot more care, caution, and allographs 😉

As to the ASM, and ironically given a comment above about patients self-diagnosing with WebMD, I stumbled across that while I was doing research on extra-intestinal celiac and it's mimicking presentation of ALS in a case study from 2005(2007 maybe?). I was researching full-time at that point and this had come into question in regards to patients who were presenting with positive MRIs but an abnormal degenerative progression. I started digging and somehow came across mastocytosis and realized that I had every. damned. symptom. So I went to my immunologist and asked for him to get me in to see Cem Akin and a heme/onc. The short of it was that FISH staining of my BMB was negative, but no further IHC stainings for either CD2 or CD25 were performed, so for a number of years I operated under the dx of MCAD. Gut biopsies with positive tryptase staining of more than 20 cells per HPF made them go back and restain my bone marrow and do a few other biopsies (as related to some wonky LFTs and kidney functions) and voila, it's ASM. Median survival rate of 41 months and it's thought that I've been at it for almost 10 years (though it's hard to say when actual conversion from SM to ASM occurred). So now I live on a bunch of fun pharmaceuticals like Solumedrol, Xolair, Ilaris, Actemra, IV benadryl, Zyflo, cromolyn sodium, and Gleevec. I was just accepted into the NIH's mast cell clinic and am being evaluated as a candidate for a stem cell transplant which will basically be my only hope of going to med school; I only received the official dx of ASM a few weeks ago. Explains why things have been getting progressively worse for so long! At least my master's is online and I'll be able to finish that. Small victories, I suppose 🙂

Moral of the story is that sometimes a zebra IS a zebra and sometimes they walk into your office with something you haven't even thought of in a decade. Don't ignore the whole patient and definitely don't ignore their story, even if it seems unlikely. A lot of us (Marfan's, EDS, mast cell, etc.) don't ever look sick until we're actually dying. Pay attention anyways, you might - quite literally - save someone's life.
I love this.

I also ride + played polo. Wanna be friends? 🙂
 
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